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it is not about trying to " prove someone wrong " or " control one's answers " . it is about honesty, truth. if you are so confident in what you believe, state it. if someone proves you wrong, admit it.
like this- we are saved by grace, through faith, for good works. we are saved by keeping commands, not by obeying the Torah.
we do good works and keep commands because we are saved, not to earn it.
that is how one makes a clear statement.
like this- we are saved by grace, through faith, for good works. we are saved by keeping commands, not by obeying the Torah.
we do good works and keep commands because we are saved, not to earn it.
that is how one makes a clear statement.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. It is good for men to have such discussions I think.
There does seem to be a theme in the Old and New Testaments though.
Specifically to the New, Jesus didn't know those folks who worshipped Him in Matt. 7 because, HE said, they "worked iniquity" or as translated, they lived in disobedience to God's Law.
And as for the "many" Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people of His time He suggested the same reason for rejecting them.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These two examples seem to be saying the same thing. And given Paul also preaches.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
And again:
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So I absolutely agree with you that God knows our mind.
But given all these examples of people who thought they knew God/Jesus, but didn't, I am convinced more that ever that it isn't God that doesn't know our mind, it is us who don't know our own mind.
I believe This explains why Jesus said to "TAKE HEED".
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
God can't be deceived but we can. He has given us all the tools to "Take Heed" we are not deceived as James teaches, but if we reject His instruction, He will reject us.
Well food for thought, thanks DC
There does seem to be a theme in the Old and New Testaments though.
Specifically to the New, Jesus didn't know those folks who worshipped Him in Matt. 7 because, HE said, they "worked iniquity" or as translated, they lived in disobedience to God's Law.
And as for the "many" Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people of His time He suggested the same reason for rejecting them.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These two examples seem to be saying the same thing. And given Paul also preaches.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
And again:
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So I absolutely agree with you that God knows our mind.
But given all these examples of people who thought they knew God/Jesus, but didn't, I am convinced more that ever that it isn't God that doesn't know our mind, it is us who don't know our own mind.
I believe This explains why Jesus said to "TAKE HEED".
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
God can't be deceived but we can. He has given us all the tools to "Take Heed" we are not deceived as James teaches, but if we reject His instruction, He will reject us.
Well food for thought, thanks DC
This is true
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
[/FONT] Also is there any Laws that can be broken and still be loving our neighbor?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”[/FONT]
but there is also a very simple Scripture that explains what a sin is;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
[/FONT] Also is there any Laws that can be broken and still be loving our neighbor?
We would have two choices, we could listen to the Creator of Righteousness, the God of Abraham and his Son, or we could listen to religious men.
God through His Word says "Sin is the Transgression of the Law", which would mean God's Law, given He is the one who created it.
"for by the law if the knowledge of sin"
God through His Word says "Sin is the Transgression of the Law", which would mean God's Law, given He is the one who created it.
"for by the law if the knowledge of sin"
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. It is good for men to have such discussions I think.
There does seem to be a theme in the Old and New Testaments though.
Specifically to the New, Jesus didn't know those folks who worshipped Him in Matt. 7 because, HE said, they "worked iniquity" or as translated, they lived in disobedience to God's Law.
And as for the "many" Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people of His time He suggested the same reason for rejecting them.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These two examples seem to be saying the same thing. And given Paul also preaches.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
And again:
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So I absolutely agree with you that God knows our mind.
But given all these examples of people who thought they knew God/Jesus, but didn't, I am convinced more that ever that it isn't God that doesn't know our mind, it is us who don't know our own mind.
I believe This explains why Jesus said to "TAKE HEED".
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
God can't be deceived but we can. He has given us all the tools to "Take Heed" we are not deceived as James teaches, but if we reject His instruction, He will reject us.
Well food for thought, thanks DC
There does seem to be a theme in the Old and New Testaments though.
Specifically to the New, Jesus didn't know those folks who worshipped Him in Matt. 7 because, HE said, they "worked iniquity" or as translated, they lived in disobedience to God's Law.
And as for the "many" Mainstream God of Abraham preaching people of His time He suggested the same reason for rejecting them.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These two examples seem to be saying the same thing. And given Paul also preaches.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
And again:
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
So I absolutely agree with you that God knows our mind.
But given all these examples of people who thought they knew God/Jesus, but didn't, I am convinced more that ever that it isn't God that doesn't know our mind, it is us who don't know our own mind.
I believe This explains why Jesus said to "TAKE HEED".
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
God can't be deceived but we can. He has given us all the tools to "Take Heed" we are not deceived as James teaches, but if we reject His instruction, He will reject us.
Well food for thought, thanks DC
Sure....and lest we forget....Paul who was taught by direct revelation from JESUS and who writes 13 of the 27 N.T. books concluded that a man is justified before God by faith without works and JAMES who wrote 1 book of the bible concluded that a man's faith that justifies is SEEN By men based upon our works
the problem begins when men conflate the two issues and attempt to say something the bible does not say......
Men justified before God by faith
The faith that justifies a man before GOD is seen by men based upon works
Saved UNTO
not
Saved By
What i I find sad is you see not that I have answered you over and over... and over hehe.. I don’t have anything to resolve with you..
Yet my belief is based on the authority of the Lord...
I’m not going to tell my Lord he can’t blot me out or count me unworthy.. I’m going to believe Him for who am I to reply anything against Him? It is not going to happen.
I submitt and am content to live by Faith and not exalt myself as if I have a GOD given right rather than a gift to be treasured and appreciated forever... especially since I know I do not deserve it in the slightest..
I trust GOD is Faithful and Powerful.. not so I can strut around like a special one but because He is the Special one and I feel blesssed to of been saved.. so I do set my heart to obey because I Believe He is guiding me Home to Heavenly Father.
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then all I can do is say you teach salvation can be lost. And continually to believe such because when you post the things you do, I do not know how else to inte4rpret that.
SInce you refuse to say yes or no, you leave me no other choice.
so again, DO not yell or attack me when I say you claim salvation can be lost. Ok?
The only right answer is yes or no. If you want to explain why that is fine. But since you refuse. All we can do is think you are hiding something, It is sad you are so insecure in your faith you will not say yes or no. Sad.
SInce you refuse to say yes or no, you leave me no other choice.
so again, DO not yell or attack me when I say you claim salvation can be lost. Ok?
The only right answer is yes or no. If you want to explain why that is fine. But since you refuse. All we can do is think you are hiding something, It is sad you are so insecure in your faith you will not say yes or no. Sad.
Is HizikYah trying to snare you in to the gentile dreaded Sabbath.. gosh only by Faith can one delight.. otherwise you would find yourself fretting to move for a whole day lest you die..
No only Faith in the Lord of Sabbath can one Truly Rest on the Sabbath. To worship GOD in Spirit and Truth is a way of life through Christ who makes it clear Sabbath was made for man and not man for Sabbath and it is lawful to do good.
No only Faith in the Lord of Sabbath can one Truly Rest on the Sabbath. To worship GOD in Spirit and Truth is a way of life through Christ who makes it clear Sabbath was made for man and not man for Sabbath and it is lawful to do good.
by the way, I usually rest on sun. after church. I do not paly my car radio on sun. I do not do housework or yardwork on sun .
but, if literal folks you , who are so into commands, Exodus 35 v.3- do not even kindle a fire on the Sabbath.
so, if you turn the heat on, you just violated it. you know, literally.
but, if literal folks you , who are so into commands, Exodus 35 v.3- do not even kindle a fire on the Sabbath.
so, if you turn the heat on, you just violated it. you know, literally.
I am so glad the bible teaches a confident expectation of something guaranteed (hope) and God has given us the down payment of our eternal inheritance (Sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT until the day of redemption) and that we are saved and kept by the POWER OF GOD and JESUS promises to finish and complete that which he has began because he will LOSE NOTHING...and that we are in the Father's hand and the Son's hand and NOTHING can separate us from the love of God....as a matter of fact one must disregard so many promises of God, deny the words eternal and or everlasting or change the meaning of the words and reject the fact that salvation is spoken of in all three tenses with a present continuing result from a past complete action to teach the loss of salvation.