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DC.. that is an absurd thing to say... all here have beliefs and share Scripture to show why they believe and so on.
I really don’t push a dogma but share a witness based on my real life experience.. I have never shared anything other than the Word of GOD... not other testament of a different Christ.. for there is only One Messiah who gave Testament for us to Believe and by the power of GOD through the Holy Spirit without any outside teaching my Lord does Teach me Truth and I share it freely. Just as you share your beliefs.. but when do all that claim Christ become against?
I could say DC you are in error Repent and Believe and may the Lord guide and comfort you.. or I could say leave the tares alone they will soon burn.. oh my... how horrible is that?
I condemn you because you believe differently.. Now share your beliefs you will find people agree and disagree.. deal with that with patience... because if you were right and others wrong why let it lead you to sin?
We should not become unbelievers through our beliefs.. consider that for a moment. As will I .
The truth did set us free at conversion. We were crucified with Christ. Risen in His resurrection power. Given a measure of faith to begin with though. Faith grows as we experience His faithfulness. As He answers faith to the promises that we take to Him in sometimes just a small seed. He works with whatever measure we have to bring us to the end of our faith, the results.
So our work is to believe what He tells us. Some of us stop at the words of Jesus. Has anyone moved a mountain yet?
When did the topic of this thread change to sin?
Hi Hizikyah
Would you not agree that believe would precede do then?
Yes, belief comes 1st, definitly, and from the Hebrew and Greek and also from the writers explanations many many times.This is not proof, the priorr statements are IMO, but also from common sense,you know people dont run red light because they have faith/belief they could get into an accident, if someone believed a Creator really existed they would seek Him the way He says
G544 ἀπειθέω apeitheo (a-pei-the'-ō) v., 1. to disbelieve (willfully and perversely)., 2. (by direct extension) to be willfully disobedient., [from G545], KJV: not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving , Root(s): G545
“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
Its common in the original language; shamah is not to simply hear, but to hear and do,
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַע - shama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
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Yep lol,it has lasted a very long time,will it last even longer or will people tire of the subject and leave it be?quite a good question!
We aren't Jews H. We aren't even gentiles. We are all one in the body of Jesus Christ. All members of that body, all drink of the same Spirit, baptized into His death and raised in His resurrection life.
This thread seems to wane for a bit but then comes back to life, over and over. Must be really important is how I see it.
What does us not being Jews have anything to do with what I said? Im confused
I don't know why you would be confused H. As I said before, your presentation is as if you are a Jew, and your posts as if you are under the law. Not so. Of grace, the gift of God.
Just a little more to explain it further. Israel has laws that they perform. They believe in the correct God but do not really know Him. Just what He expects of them. So it is the performance that they trust in.
The body of Christ moves with Him. By being led by the Head through Holy Spirit. Not performance but faith is what pleases God. Grace is freedom from perfect performance from one sacrifice never having to be repeated. So we walk with Him in truth and when He reveals some habit or way that is displeasing, either by our awakened conscience, or by His actual Voice or reading the Word and convicted....we are led.
Different from Jewish thought. Is life living by the Spirit. And is freedom as I said before because we are resting our faith in the One who sat down in Heaven with Father and intercedes for us forever.
The body of Christ moves with Him. By being led by the Head through Holy Spirit. Not performance but faith is what pleases God. Grace is freedom from perfect performance from one sacrifice never having to be repeated. So we walk with Him in truth and when He reveals some habit or way that is displeasing, either by our awakened conscience, or by His actual Voice or reading the Word and convicted....we are led.
Different from Jewish thought. Is life living by the Spirit. And is freedom as I said before because we are resting our faith in the One who sat down in Heaven with Father and intercedes for us forever.
I think there is a misunderstanding there, look at my signature;
Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
I follow the truth, I think people are very opposed to His Laws so its a Jew thing However I can say I am living proof of this:
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
and only Yah knows the intentions of a mans heart. also how is it that obedience and promoting obedience cancells out unmerited mercy?
Matthew 5:17-195:17, "“Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets.e I did not come to destroy but to complete. Footnote: eThe Law and the Prophets is a term used for the pre-Messianic Scriptures."5:18, "“For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens."
and no im not trying to earn greatness, but there is a clear distinction that one is a positive.
1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"
Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
I find it odd that obedience to what is written is framed as a negative or somehow against mercy, I want to obey because I have been given mercy I did not deserve.
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lighted by Jesus so yep it's darkness all right,hmm wait it's just truth!
This has just become silly,you believe that you have no sin anymore,that's "easy" enough to believe upon,but how about the other side of this,humbleness are we to be pitied because we humble our selves before God,because whom has done this before oh yeah a man after God's own heart,David a king of Israel,so David served the devil then is clearly your conclusion which is folly because though satan tempted him he still did his best for God overall.
And what of Jesus?
Is he to be known as a fool for dieing for everyone whom had sin?
I don't believe so.
He even went unto those that had many sins and healed them nonetheless was that a waste?
Are we all supposed to be egotistical jerks that enjoy pride over meekness?
Seeking our own strength instead of Jesus's grace to carry on.
So to sin again after accepting Jesus as saviour and receiving baptism makes one a servant of darkness over 1 sin?
As I recall Jesus was asked the question how many times should we forgive those who wrong us,7 times?
and he replied"I tell you not 7 times but seventy times seven" which means that if Jesus our saviour would speak on forgiveness of wrongdoings(sin) then how much more does he forgive us,is 1 sin enough to tear us away from Jesus?
no for then this would mean that Jesus is not compassionate or merciful,we could bandy words but you can't dance around facts forever you'll have to own up to truth sometime,even if God must humble you himself to do it.
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From that great and useful article...
I see that going on in here. There are those who have attained a higher, a holier, life than Apostle Paul. Or, so they say....
Exodus 20
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Until that written in stone is written in our hearts it will seem a burden not a delight.
You can not write it yourself.. only by believing First..
That's a good article Preacher.
If we just keep looking at Jesus like it says in the Word...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith...hopefully we won't fall into this spirit of error.
It's good to have these debates and it helps to guard our hearts from deception by the fellowship of believers. We need each other to keep us straight.
If we just keep looking at Jesus like it says in the Word...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith...hopefully we won't fall into this spirit of error.
It's good to have these debates and it helps to guard our hearts from deception by the fellowship of believers. We need each other to keep us straight.