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To which we are in agreement.
Were you not crucified and buried with Christ? (Rom 6:3-6)
Were you not then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life?
A life gendered by God and incapable of bearing evil fruit?
I have given up my previous life and nature, and was killed for my past sins.
I am a new creature now, with a divine nature.
I really dislike your version of the bible.
Your editors have missed the fact that in Romans 6:3-6 Paul gave up his old self, with it's nature.
It is the mind that rules the life of a Christian; and that mind is Christ's.
This is the definition of sanctified that I abide by..."consecrated, made holy, atoned for, set apart, blessed."
If your "nature" wasn't included in the list, you are unsanctified.
New creatures that are born of God, don't commit "new sins".
Were you not crucified and buried with Christ? (Rom 6:3-6)
Were you not then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life?
A life gendered by God and incapable of bearing evil fruit?
I have given up my previous life and nature, and was killed for my past sins.
I am a new creature now, with a divine nature.
I really dislike your version of the bible.
Your editors have missed the fact that in Romans 6:3-6 Paul gave up his old self, with it's nature.
It is the mind that rules the life of a Christian; and that mind is Christ's.
This is the definition of sanctified that I abide by..."consecrated, made holy, atoned for, set apart, blessed."
If your "nature" wasn't included in the list, you are unsanctified.
New creatures that are born of God, don't commit "new sins".
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
My position is clear...has been the same from day one on this site...
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
A. The spirit is born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED by the SPIRIT OF GOD and does NOT SIN <---why we are eternally secure
B. The spirit is housed in a dead body of sin not subject unto the law of GOD and unless TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind will fall short every time and sin <---why we are chastised as children when we fail to walk worthy
C. The battle ground is the MIND <---Jesus said the SPIRIT is WILLING but the FLESH IS WEAK
The CORINTHAN reference is applicable unto the BODY and the DAY it is raised incorruptible, celestial, in power
ALL sin except JESUS...some more than others!
Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
? Did you not know that truth is a person? How does a Child of God speak truth with hatred? We lift Truth up. Just as Jesus said, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me. So our witness should be the Cross. Not the law or our obedience to it.
Now, I'm not familiar with you as yet, so those last words are not directed to you.
I know preacher. He speaks of Jesus.
Now, I'm not familiar with you as yet, so those last words are not directed to you.
I know preacher. He speaks of Jesus.
Are you of the school that believes rebirth equates to two of you running around now?
I hope not, as we have been given the way for "the wages of sin" to be paid...by our death with Christ'
All that is left here is a man who walks in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
Again, I struggle with your version of scripture.
It clearly is in error regarding its interpretation of Paul's writing.
Paul is the "chief" of those saved from sin.
If you were saved from alligators, would you go back to playing with alligators?
Neither would Paul go back into sin: something he has been saved from.
It only dwelt in his body until his body was crucified, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
I hope not, as we have been given the way for "the wages of sin" to be paid...by our death with Christ'
All that is left here is a man who walks in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
Again, I struggle with your version of scripture.
It clearly is in error regarding its interpretation of Paul's writing.
Paul is the "chief" of those saved from sin.
If you were saved from alligators, would you go back to playing with alligators?
Neither would Paul go back into sin: something he has been saved from.
It only dwelt in his body until his body was crucified, buried, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
The "new creature" doesn't have a sin nature.
You are wrong.
What were YOU saved from?
What were the Jews waiting to be saved from?
I was saved from service to sin, and so was Paul.
It seems odd that you don't recognize that the righteous man is the one praying for the UNrighteous man.
The unrighteous' name will not be written in the book of life.
You are wrong.
What were YOU saved from?
What were the Jews waiting to be saved from?
I was saved from service to sin, and so was Paul.
It seems odd that you don't recognize that the righteous man is the one praying for the UNrighteous man.
The unrighteous' name will not be written in the book of life.
What of those who need no chastening?
Don't you think anyone loves God above all else?
If they sin, I agree with VCO that they were never reborn.
After sinners "turn from sin" they can start counting their days in Christ.
They lost everything before their real "repentance from sin".
Was he also clear in 1 John 1:5?..."[FONT="]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"[/FONT]Was he clear in 1 John 2:4?...[FONT="]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
How about 1 John 3:9?..."[/FONT][FONT="]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.[/FONT][FONT="]"
Was he clear in 1 John 2:2-3?..."[/FONT][FONT="]By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [/FONT][FONT="]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
And..."[/FONT][FONT="]We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
How much clearer could John be that there are people who love God above all else?
People who don't commit sin.[/FONT]
Don't you think anyone loves God above all else?
If they sin, I agree with VCO that they were never reborn.
After sinners "turn from sin" they can start counting their days in Christ.
They lost everything before their real "repentance from sin".
Was he also clear in 1 John 1:5?..."[FONT="]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"[/FONT]Was he clear in 1 John 2:4?...[FONT="]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
How about 1 John 3:9?..."[/FONT][FONT="]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.[/FONT][FONT="]"
Was he clear in 1 John 2:2-3?..."[/FONT][FONT="]By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [/FONT][FONT="]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
And..."[/FONT][FONT="]We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
How much clearer could John be that there are people who love God above all else?
People who don't commit sin.[/FONT]
Hi Hizikyah
I like your gentle spirit and way of presenting the Word.
I see our initial believing and receiving truth or the gospel of Jesus and salvation being so powerful that it destroys the yoke of bondage of our sin nature completely. Conversion is a experience and we know that we are changed. We know God intervened in our life and we are different. And we have a zeal for the Lord out of that first love. Witnessing everywhere.
But, we didn't know at first that we have an enemy and he would strike.
We arent physical Israel. If we had not been born again however, it wouldn't matter one bit to God for we would be under the same judgement of having to obey the law to be able to enter heaven. And no one can obey the law perfectly.
There are only two men in the earth that God acknowledges and that is Jesus, and Adam. All of us are in one or the other.
And the Cross and the blood of the only man who did please Father perfectly of course is Jesus. Our initial belief places us in the position of being in Him, and He pledges Himself to us that He will finish the work He started and bring us to the "day" safely.
Then He empowers us by His own Holy Spirit...freely gives us giftings including faith, and even love for all these things are in the Spirit of God for this is what God is.
So everything we need we receive in our experiences with God. And faith is strong.
So does Father then judge us when we come then to the time when He decides we need to grow and mature, and difficulties come to us. And we find we have enemies and are betrayed by those we trusted? Does He judge us when we falter in our faith and question God?
Jesus didn't come to judge the world but to save so how much more are we to to Him as His brethren? He gives us a helper who never leaves us while we are on the threshing floor. The encourager. The one who makes us bold to step out in faith one day, then picks us up after a fall on another.
We will be up and down until we come to the perfect. Whatever that is.
So obedience to a set of laws is not what pleases Father. It's communion. Talking with Him just like Moses did. And Abraham. Hearing His Voice telling us what to say in the ministry of reconciliation, for only God knows what words will pierce a heart. Or moving in faith and compassion to lay hands on the sick ones...and God touches.
To live in the anointing. To have an honest heart.
The scriptures coming alive in life's events.
I like your gentle spirit and way of presenting the Word.
I see our initial believing and receiving truth or the gospel of Jesus and salvation being so powerful that it destroys the yoke of bondage of our sin nature completely. Conversion is a experience and we know that we are changed. We know God intervened in our life and we are different. And we have a zeal for the Lord out of that first love. Witnessing everywhere.
But, we didn't know at first that we have an enemy and he would strike.
We arent physical Israel. If we had not been born again however, it wouldn't matter one bit to God for we would be under the same judgement of having to obey the law to be able to enter heaven. And no one can obey the law perfectly.
There are only two men in the earth that God acknowledges and that is Jesus, and Adam. All of us are in one or the other.
And the Cross and the blood of the only man who did please Father perfectly of course is Jesus. Our initial belief places us in the position of being in Him, and He pledges Himself to us that He will finish the work He started and bring us to the "day" safely.
Then He empowers us by His own Holy Spirit...freely gives us giftings including faith, and even love for all these things are in the Spirit of God for this is what God is.
So everything we need we receive in our experiences with God. And faith is strong.
So does Father then judge us when we come then to the time when He decides we need to grow and mature, and difficulties come to us. And we find we have enemies and are betrayed by those we trusted? Does He judge us when we falter in our faith and question God?
Jesus didn't come to judge the world but to save so how much more are we to to Him as His brethren? He gives us a helper who never leaves us while we are on the threshing floor. The encourager. The one who makes us bold to step out in faith one day, then picks us up after a fall on another.
We will be up and down until we come to the perfect. Whatever that is.
So obedience to a set of laws is not what pleases Father. It's communion. Talking with Him just like Moses did. And Abraham. Hearing His Voice telling us what to say in the ministry of reconciliation, for only God knows what words will pierce a heart. Or moving in faith and compassion to lay hands on the sick ones...and God touches.
To live in the anointing. To have an honest heart.
The scriptures coming alive in life's events.
Thankyou.
This reminds me of..."[FONT="]And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.[/FONT][h=1]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:" (Phil 1:14-16)
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This reminds me of..."[FONT="]And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.[/FONT][h=1]Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:" (Phil 1:14-16)
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Maybe your like button doesn’t like you anymore and is getting its own back.
Maybe the like button as developed AI and acting accordingly.
It may not be a communist plot but maybe we are in the Matrix.
Anyway thanks for your words and looking forward to seeing you tomorrow, assuming the plug that connects me to the matrix is pulled.
Maybe the like button as developed AI and acting accordingly.
It may not be a communist plot but maybe we are in the Matrix.
Anyway thanks for your words and looking forward to seeing you tomorrow, assuming the plug that connects me to the matrix is pulled.
Studyman is heavily into the Works Righteousness Movement a false Doctrine the believes your works count as part of your Salvation, and then you are responsible to KEEP your Salvation by doing even more works or you lose your salvation. He does not believe that as far as your that JESUS DID IT ALL to SAVE US, and that JESUS and the FATHER are the ones holding on to our SALVATION to KEEP us SAVED. Yes a real Christian does Good Works as a way to show LOVE for our LORD Jesus Christ and for GOD the Father, but those works have no part in SAVING US, or KEEPING US Saved. IT IS NOT A MATTER OF I HAVE TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS TO KEEP MY SALVATION, IT IS IN REALITY, I WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDS AS AN ACT OF LOVE FOR HIM.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
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