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Hi DCon...I was taken notes yesterday from reading Hebrews about God chastening us, and this is what I wrote...
God loves us so much, and when I do wrong, God will correct me, He will show me the error of my ways... I am not to become discouraged by His chastening , but accept it...God is my loving Father, and He corrects all of His children
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Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but God is so merciful, so long suffering with us, it just made me feel more secure in Him, it makes me understand why I can cry ABBA, His arms are always open, He truly loves us...Ok, I will stop rambling now, I could go on and on and on...We are in the palm of His Mighty hand, we can not be snatched...xox...
God loves us so much, and when I do wrong, God will correct me, He will show me the error of my ways... I am not to become discouraged by His chastening , but accept it...God is my loving Father, and He corrects all of His children
...Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but God is so merciful, so long suffering with us, it just made me feel more secure in Him, it makes me understand why I can cry ABBA, His arms are always open, He truly loves us
...Ok, I will stop rambling now, I could go on and on and on...We are in the palm of His Mighty hand, we can not be snatched...xox...
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Everybody in Christ is secure. That's why we are exhorted to stay in Christ. At least Calvin taught that you have to believe to the very end to be saved in the very end. But he then takes away the assurance of that security by saying that you know that you are secure in Christ if you persevere to the very end, which you can't know until you get to the very end, lol. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance, lol.
In Biblical assurance and security, you are secure in Christ as long as you are presently trusting in Christ. And you have the assurance of that security when you can see your faith in what you do.
Ah, yes......the famous 'not really' doctrines of OSAS, lol.
But anyway, Jesus told us why some leave:
6“Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture.
13“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
(Luke 8:6,13 NASB)
" 20“The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away." (Matthew 13:20-21 NASB)
The temptations, afflictions, and persecutions of life, that's why, stones. But of course, we can make this go away and make it line up with our own doctrines by saying these people 'don't really' believe.
Notice they are not strong in their believing and, therefore, wither away in adverse conditions because of the condition of their hearts, not because they did not believe. Their own hearts don't allow the word in them to grow to maturity. Their own hearts hinder access to the water that makes the word grow to fruition.
I liken this to every believer who has hardened their hearts to the fullness of the Holy Spirit, or simply don't know about that fullness because they are not being taught to seek it. They are the equivalent of the three tribes that chose to not cross the Jordan when it came time to enter the promises of God and who were the first ones to be destroyed.
In Biblical assurance and security, you are secure in Christ as long as you are presently trusting in Christ. And you have the assurance of that security when you can see your faith in what you do.
Ah, yes......the famous 'not really' doctrines of OSAS, lol.
But anyway, Jesus told us why some leave:
6“Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture.
13“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
(Luke 8:6,13 NASB)
" 20“The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away." (Matthew 13:20-21 NASB)
The temptations, afflictions, and persecutions of life, that's why, stones. But of course, we can make this go away and make it line up with our own doctrines by saying these people 'don't really' believe.
Notice they are not strong in their believing and, therefore, wither away in adverse conditions because of the condition of their hearts, not because they did not believe. Their own hearts don't allow the word in them to grow to maturity. Their own hearts hinder access to the water that makes the word grow to fruition.
I liken this to every believer who has hardened their hearts to the fullness of the Holy Spirit, or simply don't know about that fullness because they are not being taught to seek it. They are the equivalent of the three tribes that chose to not cross the Jordan when it came time to enter the promises of God and who were the first ones to be destroyed.
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Ecclesiastes 12:12-14 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body. Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
WHICH IS THE END OF THE STORY? IS IT YOUR (SELF PROCLAIMED STORY ) ALL ABOUT YOUR DECEPTION OR THE TRUTH? AGAIN, ARE YOU STILL A SINNER OR NOT? I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWERS? WHY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS BY POSTERS LIKE ME WHO OPPOSE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINES? ARE YOU STILL A SINNER OR NOT?
WHICH IS THE END OF THE STORY? IS IT YOUR (SELF PROCLAIMED STORY ) ALL ABOUT YOUR DECEPTION OR THE TRUTH? AGAIN, ARE YOU STILL A SINNER OR NOT? I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWERS? WHY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS BY POSTERS LIKE ME WHO OPPOSE YOUR FALSE DOCTRINES? ARE YOU STILL A SINNER OR NOT?
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Everyone take a gander at how easy it is to point out PHart's false teachings and readily dismantle them:
Your false teaching has deceived even yourself as per the testimony of Scripture; "deceiving and being deceived".
You completely undo the above in your next false statements:
We don't keep ourselves in Christ.
You're blaming Calvin for taking away security (which he doesn't) in a mocking tone, while you do the very thing yourself? Yes, of course.
Wow.
You are one deceived fellow, and not only this you bear false witness against Calvin.
lol.
Yep. You just took away that security, after claiming it, then reversing the claim. You are deceived and inconsistent which is a trait of false teachings and teachers.
In fact, Scripture refutes you entirely; we know now, 1 John 5:13.
Nope, just a total misrepresentation on your part. You have no clue what you're even talking about, as a false teacher you can't even keep your #fakenews story straight.
lol.
I've snipped the last portion of your response as all you do is take Scripture out of context, misunderstand it, and misapply it.
Your false teaching has deceived even yourself as per the testimony of Scripture; "deceiving and being deceived".
You completely undo the above in your next false statements:
We don't keep ourselves in Christ.
You're blaming Calvin for taking away security (which he doesn't) in a mocking tone, while you do the very thing yourself? Yes, of course.
Wow.
You are one deceived fellow, and not only this you bear false witness against Calvin.
lol.
Yep. You just took away that security, after claiming it, then reversing the claim. You are deceived and inconsistent which is a trait of false teachings and teachers.
In fact, Scripture refutes you entirely; we know now, 1 John 5:13.
Nope, just a total misrepresentation on your part. You have no clue what you're even talking about, as a false teacher you can't even keep your #fakenews story straight.
lol.
I've snipped the last portion of your response as all you do is take Scripture out of context, misunderstand it, and misapply it.
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And so many people in the church (of all places, lol) take false comfort in their unrepentant, careless disobedience thinking Paul was saying that's what he also was a lazy, careless, unrepentant sinner. Even though he plainly taught the church to "REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES." (1 Corinthians 5:13 NASB).
Surely, if Paul was the most wicked among sinners he himself would lead the way out the doors of the church. He's obviously talking about the scope of his entire life and the terrible things he did before he came to Christ.
Surely, if Paul was the most wicked among sinners he himself would lead the way out the doors of the church. He's obviously talking about the scope of his entire life and the terrible things he did before he came to Christ.
Do you even go to church yourself? I have my doubts.
Furthermore the above is a straw man, an unsubstantiated accusation. It is "diablos" something you practice incessantly.
No one said Paul was the most wicked among sinners.
You're conflating two differing context and forgetting one glaring fact: The man at Corinth was living in open unrepentant sin, the proof of his conversion would be in that he would come to repentance by God's disciplinary action. Paul repented daily and kept under his body, yet knew his own sinful nature, in the present tense, 1 Timothy 1:15.
Just here to refute your teachings so you don't deceive others with your false gospel by your twisting of Scripture; 2 Peter 3:16.
Furthermore the above is a straw man, an unsubstantiated accusation. It is "diablos" something you practice incessantly.
No one said Paul was the most wicked among sinners.
You're conflating two differing context and forgetting one glaring fact: The man at Corinth was living in open unrepentant sin, the proof of his conversion would be in that he would come to repentance by God's disciplinary action. Paul repented daily and kept under his body, yet knew his own sinful nature, in the present tense, 1 Timothy 1:15.
Just here to refute your teachings so you don't deceive others with your false gospel by your twisting of Scripture; 2 Peter 3:16.
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Right. We rely on Christ, THROUGH FAITH, to keep us in Him.
Yeah, wow, lol. I'm telling everyone to stay in the household covered with blood where it's safe until the destroying angel passes over.
22“You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning." (Exodus 12:22 NASB)
13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:13 NASB)
This is written to everyone who believes (present tense). Everyone who presently believes, and can see their faith in what they do, knows they have eternal life. This is what the Bible teaches. Do you not agree with that?
Yeah, wow, lol. I'm telling everyone to stay in the household covered with blood where it's safe until the destroying angel passes over.
22“You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning." (Exodus 12:22 NASB)
13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:13 NASB)
This is written to everyone who believes (present tense). Everyone who presently believes, and can see their faith in what they do, knows they have eternal life. This is what the Bible teaches. Do you not agree with that?
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Hi DCon...I was taken notes yesterday from reading Hebrews about God chastening us, and this is what I wrote...
God loves us so much, and when I do wrong, God will correct me, He will show me the error of my ways... I am not to become discouraged by His chastening , but accept it...God is my loving Father, and He corrects all of His children...
Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but God is so merciful, so long suffering with us, it just made me feel more secure in Him, it makes me understand why I can cry ABBA, His arms are always open, He truly loves us...Ok, I will stop rambling now, I could go on and on and on...We are in the palm of His Mighty hand, we can not be snatched...xox...
God loves us so much, and when I do wrong, God will correct me, He will show me the error of my ways... I am not to become discouraged by His chastening , but accept it...God is my loving Father, and He corrects all of His children
...Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but God is so merciful, so long suffering with us, it just made me feel more secure in Him, it makes me understand why I can cry ABBA, His arms are always open, He truly loves us
...Ok, I will stop rambling now, I could go on and on and on...We are in the palm of His Mighty hand, we can not be snatched...xox...
Amen for sure.....
When you actually say something of value and biblical I might start paying attention.....and if you ever get a hold of context you might have something to say of value....until then...highly unlikely!
And this man who was saved was doing what exactly-->Even though he plainly taught the church to "REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES."
And this man who was saved was doing what exactly-->Even though he plainly taught the church to "REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES."
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You don't have to pay attention to me. I can take it.
And let's not forget I have as much right to post here as you do. Don't try to shut me down just because you don't like what I'm saying.
You people shouldn't be afraid of the truth. If you're struggling, just keep trusting in Christ to help you keep believing in his forgiveness, and trusting him for His deliverance and power over sin. But if you carelessly let yourself fall from trust in Christ through the misguided comfort of a OSAS doctrine you will have nothing to rely on to save you.
And let's not forget I have as much right to post here as you do. Don't try to shut me down just because you don't like what I'm saying.
You people shouldn't be afraid of the truth. If you're struggling, just keep trusting in Christ to help you keep believing in his forgiveness, and trusting him for His deliverance and power over sin. But if you carelessly let yourself fall from trust in Christ through the misguided comfort of a OSAS doctrine you will have nothing to rely on to save you.