Not By Works

[loveme1]

So you have no desire to understand what people believe?

thank you, that's all I needed to know

Feel free to continue making yourself look bad by continually telling people to believe things they already believe. If that makes you feel good, so be it.

You are one of the most presumptious men I have ever known.. you presume that I presume and around we go..

I may look bad according to you and whoever agrees with you and you may look bad to myself and whoever agrees but we will both be Judged by the Righteous Judge and that is what counts.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

That is a nice verse to share..

but if the knowledge and instruction is not in line with GOD's Word then I will not adhere..

here is a verse:

psalm 40


4Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.


The Truth will be supported because the Bible is of not private interpretation.


2 Peter 1


We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

the inspired scriptures WILL support themself

but i am not all knowing

and neither are you

and God may one day if he hasn't already use one of his children to show you something


in that moment you have a choice to refuse
or accept his outstretched gift



if YOU have never misinterpreted Gods truth through lack of knowledge

then maybe my post is worthless to you


but if you are like me

and imperfect

i think it is wise to sometimes look at yourself


(please dont misunderstand, im not picking a side in your dispute.... i posted in response to when you said only Gods truth... i personally have been accused of HATING my brothers and sisters because i "prefer" scripture over listening to men)

 

[gb9]

As one member loves commenting, the sky is still blue.

I wonder how many people who have good marriages, loving families, victory in Christ stand in
these odd doctrinal groups.

If you want a picture of what happens to a society who choose the wrong moral framework look
at the Nazi's and what resulted. Doing what is right in ones own eyes is the road to death and
destruction. At a fundamental level if this is your outlook, Christ means nothing to you.

Some are so wedded to the celebration of religion they go to church were they accept they have
no faith. They do though believe in love and being nice to people, and church is as good a framework
to live this out as any.

Our testimony as a people is walk as Jesus walked or find yourself judged, and your house will crumble.

third paragraph- peter, 5 days ago, you, in your mrjoo7 persona, in the news forum, in the thread capitalism and greed, post #11, you praised socialism, saying how bad capitalism is.

here, you are speaking against Nazi's , so which is it?? do you care do address yet another contradiction you are caught in.

oh, and will you speak the truth about you being mrj007?? cause speaking all the time about righteousness while being deceptive at the same times voids everything you say.

 

[garee]

You are one of the most presumptious men I have ever known.. you presume that I presume and around we go..

I may look bad according to you and whoever agrees with you and you may look bad to myself and whoever agrees but we will both be Judged by the Righteous Judge and that is what counts.

All will be judged as to whose work of faith as a labor of Love provides the grace to please God. .Justifying one self by a work of faith that one can perform in respect to oneself tells us something about self-rightfulness . What does it tell you? ? Will you be found with a righteousness of our own?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are one of the most presumptious men I have ever known.. you presume that I presume and around we go..

I may look bad according to you and whoever agrees with you and you may look bad to myself and whoever agrees but we will both be Judged by the Righteous Judge and that is what counts.

Yet I prove in almost every post you make you do not have any understanding what f what we believed eve, because time and time again you yell at us and how we must believe something we have already been teaching is true,

i love you, but if you are not willing to take chastening from people,and stop thinking they are out to get you when they are not, you can continue to go as you are,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

third paragraph- peter, 5 days ago, you, in your mrjoo7 persona, in the news forum, in the thread capitalism and greed, post #11, you praised socialism, saying how bad capitalism is.

here, you are speaking against Nazi's , so which is it?? do you care do address yet another contradiction you are caught in.

oh, and will you speak the truth about you being mrj007?? cause speaking all the time about righteousness while being deceptive at the same times voids everything you say.

Where did you hear this? Peter is mrjoo7?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All will be judged as to whose work of faith as a labor of Love provides the grace to please God. .Justifying one self by a work of faith that one can perform in respect to oneself tells us something about self-rightfulness . What does it tell you? ? Will you be found with a righteousness of our own?

I will let my eternity rest in Christ, my righteousness will never exceed his (perfection) I started falling below that before elementary school.

 

[garee]

name one person who thinks this? You people wonder why others get so mad at you, maybe if you would stop thinking you know what they believe, and instead, sit still and get to know what they believe, things would be so much easier.


Or maybe a bunch f you are just here to cause division, and you know you are falsely interpreting g what there believe on purpose t get people riled up?

which is it?

Mad at me?

Name one person? Any person that requires a sign by that in which they do. Like reading the bible as a sign to them proves they have the Holy Spirit. or entering a building called a church, or loving a neighbor as one self.. Not one has received the promise of the new incorruptible body the goal of our faith..

 

[stonesoffire]

If Scripture is not presented then you give way to houses being built on sand...

You try to imply I say works save.... no.. GOD saves us by His Grace through Faith in His Son unto good works.

Some say works have no impact on Salvation it is a one off can't be lost... that belief is not supported by Scripture.

If the Messiah deems someone's works not perfect He can refuse the right to the Tree of life.


We are to be Faithful and labour unto death to receive the crown of life.

And Nothing Paul wrote is against that Truth.

The works are evidence of ones Faith to the Lord who judges us all.

Works perfect ones Faith because they hear and do because they believe.

Your post does not present Father as a loving God to us His children.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right tothe tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into thecity.

We who are His have obeyed the Word of the Gospel. Believed that God is faithful in His promises, and on this basis of faith, He proves Himself to His own.

The commandments of the NT are not the 10. Otherwise how would one be led by His Spirit?

Jesus is the tree of life that we eat of in communion with Him daily. And we have already entered the gate when we sat down in the heavenly realms with Him, in His Victory over all the enemy. From this position comes works. Our works are not what gives us rights.

Its His.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mad at me?

Name one person? Any person that requires a sign by that in which they do. Like reading the bible as a sign to them proves they have the Holy Spirit. or entering a building called a church, or loving a neighbor as one self.. Not one has received the promise of the new incorruptible body the goal of our faith..

You made accsations against people,

back up this accusations, or politely confess you falsely accused people.

The bibl has has nothing to do with this. It has to do with the accusations you made.

so can you name any people? Prove your accusations, or stand on your slander? But do something.,

 

[loveme1]

the inspired scriptures WILL support themself

but i am not all knowing

and neither are you

and God may one day if he hasn't already use one of his children to show you something


in that moment you have a choice to refuse
or accept his outstretched gift



if YOU have never misinterpreted Gods truth through lack of knowledge

then maybe my post is worthless to you


but if you are like me

and imperfect

i think it is wise to sometimes look at yourself


(please dont misunderstand, im not picking a side in your dispute.... i posted in response to when you said only Gods truth... i personally have been accused of HATING my brothers and sisters because i "prefer" scripture over listening to men)

You share as you feel.

Tell me my error and bring forth your belief and Scripture.

You are jumping in so you So I ask you to follow through.

My interpretation of GOD's Truth had me wondering where I could by a lamp and oil from.. Virgin? Oh too late I thought. Hehe.. oh and those nasty men that killed Jesus.. how dare they.. clueless..


Anyhow, go back through and correct me accordingly..

it will be humbling and if my humility brings Truth according to GOD through the Holy Spirit then Let understanding prosper in misunderstanding.

 

[gb9]

Where did you hear this? Peter is mrjoo7?

I honestly do not remember who pointed this out to me, it was a few months ago, but if you read both their posts, they are very similar.

and , I have asked mr,jens about, he has not confirmed or denied it.

now, if someone asked me if I had another screen name, I would simply say " no " . because I do not. I think most of us, who are truthful, would do the same. the person in question here has a " interesting " view on truth, lies, and contradictions.

mrj007. think about that like mrj 007. makes sense , does it not.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You share as you feel.

Tell me my error and bring forth your belief and Scripture.

You are jumping in so you So I ask you to follow through.

My interpretation of GOD's Truth had me wondering where I could by a lamp and oil from.. Virgin? Oh too late I thought. Hehe.. oh and those nasty men that killed Jesus.. how dare they.. clueless..


Anyhow, go back through and correct me accordingly..

it will be humbling and if my humility brings Truth according to GOD through the Holy Spirit then Let understanding prosper in misunderstanding.

from how i see it

both of you believe

we dont earn salvation of our own works


but true faith in God will lead to him giving us gifts

and the Holy spirit will break us from sins

and cause us to do good works
(through His good works in us)

and "faith" that doesnt lead to a rebirth is a dead faith


and i agree with both of those points

 

[stonesoffire]

EG believes he really knows himself and how he stands in Christ, so to show through scripture
another perspective is obviously deception.

And unfortunately like many, their defence is to walk righteously as Jesus walked is impossible.
They do not believe Paul was an example or any of the apostles. To them this is the joke to
turn them closer to Jesus. But in reality it just compounds their disbelief, because every sin they
find themselves in, confirms they are right as sinners, failed individuals to believe Christ will deliver
them, at some point in the future. Such an empty useless gospel, with no growth or developement
is pointless, if they ever wake up from it.

They truly are the same once "saved" as they are today, because progress is never acheived, just
a continual realisation of how big a bunch of sinners they really are.

And if the truth actually gets through, they will say, that is satan showing them their failure and
condemning them, to drive them to depend on Christ more.

This mindset is like a swamp that engulfs them and sucks them deeper down the more they think
about it. I truly pity this condescending gospel of defeat. Why should anyone want to believe
this if they are happy with their lives as they are, because there is nothing offered here but pie
in the sky.

By your words you are justified or condemned. Is not the measuring stick brotherly love? And you call the benefits of our salvation pie in the sky? Where do you see a gospel of defeat anywhere in any of his posts, or any of us who are in agreement about the topic of this thread, not by works?

Your mind is full of thoughts lofty in words only without substance.

 

[loveme1]

Your post does not present Father as a loving God to us His children.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right tothe tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into thecity.

We who are His have obeyed the Word of the Gospel. Believed that God is faithful in His promises, and on this basis of faith, He proves Himself to His own.

The commandments of the NT are not the 10. Otherwise how would one be led by His Spirit?

Jesus is the tree of life that we eat of in communion with Him daily. And we have already entered the gate when we sat down in the heavenly realms with Him, in His Victory over all the enemy. From this position comes works. Our works are not what gives us rights.

Its His.

I believe the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The Commandments are the 10 but by Grace, Truth and love they are Kept and not broken through the New Testament.

His Children know His love for them because without they were dead and received not the Spirit.

 

[stonesoffire]

I believe the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The Commandments are the 10 but by Grace, Truth and love they are Kept and not broken through the New Testament.

His Children know His love for them because without they were dead and received not the Spirit.

You don't consider His Words, you must be born again a commandment? This is a NEW covenant. Life in the Spirit, not in the law. The law is good, good instruction, but we are led of Holy Spirit as we commune with Him. Our nature is of love. Loving God, loving mankind, for giving man the truth of the Cross of Jesus Christ is the greatest way to love others. Whether or not one is rejected of them.

Not really about emotional feelings.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are one of the most presumptious men I have ever known.. you presume that I presume and around we go..

I may look bad according to you and whoever agrees with you and you may look bad to myself and whoever agrees but we will both be Judged by the Righteous Judge and that is what counts.

I want everyone to nice,

i waited for for a bit before I made this post to give her a chance to see, it as usual...

she did not even even respond to the post I made concerning her to once again tell me I have to believe things I already believed,

I think we can all see what is happening here, sadly, as with so many people. I think our chat room and people in it need great prayer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I honestly do not remember who pointed this out to me, it was a few months ago, but if you read both their posts, they are very similar.

and , I have asked mr,jens about, he has not confirmed or denied it.

now, if someone asked me if I had another screen name, I would simply say " no " . because I do not. I think most of us, who are truthful, would do the same. the person in question here has a " interesting " view on truth, lies, and contradictions.

mrj007. think about that like mrj 007. makes sense , does it not.

Mr Jenz 007?

Is petey trying to be James Bond?

Lol, I would still want proof before I make accusations.,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

from how i see it

both of you believe

we dont earn salvation of our own works


but true faith in God will lead to him giving us gifts

and the Holy spirit will break us from sins

and cause us to do good works
(through His good works in us)

and "faith" that doesnt lead to a rebirth is a dead faith


and i agree with both of those points

Hey bro, just a question, not saying your wrong I just want to see what you think,

Some say works have no impact on Salvation it is a one off can't be lost... that belief is not supported by Scripture.

How do we resolve this statement in a way that it is not teaching works?

 

[dcontroversal]

Okay excuse me.

No bro....you were spot on as they say in AU......the point was clear....circumcision will do nothing but make you accountable unto the whole law to keep the whole law if you place yourself back under the law which will not save a flea....the law deems guilt before God because no man can keep it......the whole point of Galatians is found in chapter 1 and 3....ALL who say that salvation is started in faith and then made complete by works preach and or hold to a false gospel of a different kind which is not what Paul had taught...It has no power, is false, double cursed and all who hold to it or believe it are deceived and foolish.....<---THE WORDS OF PAUL UNDER INSPIRATION

O FOOLISH GALATIANS, WHO HAS BEWITCHED THEE.....HAVING begun in the SPIRIT (indication is faith) ARE YOU NOW MADE COMPLETE (PERFECT) BY THE FLESH (WORKS)

They had been removed for the gospel PAUL taught unto a gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND (HETEROS) and in doing so had fallen away from GRACE to a LAW/WORKS based false café blend gospel with no power to save!