Not By Works
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At what point is a person saved? God knew before time began.
Now, you may say, when they believe, but it can be a protracted
process for some, presenting no exact moment of surety of surrender,
just an assurance that it has finally happened, accompanied by an
immense hunger and thirst for the Truth of God's Eternal Word.
Now, you may say, when they believe, but it can be a protracted
process for some, presenting no exact moment of surety of surrender,
just an assurance that it has finally happened, accompanied by an
immense hunger and thirst for the Truth of God's Eternal Word.
True believers are in His hands and cannot be snatched out.
That is what we have been saying all along
That is what we have been saying all along
My disconnect comes when someone seems to be saying continued trust/abiding is not necessary.
Some men say we have to continue, to abide in Him, and they see His faithfulness all the time to keep them by the struggles of growing faith He brings them to. They look back and see how faithful He has been to them and to His promises. And to say it is necessary to keep abiding does not fill them with fear. Instead, they grow more and more in trust of all He has said. So they abide more and more.
To then say to those men that they are trying to earn their salvation is a mistake, in my opinion. Anything that grows your trust is not a mistake.
They cannot be compared to a man who preaches works to be saved, or Sabbath keeping outwardly. That's not where their heart is.
You contradict yourself by saying if you are in His hands you cannot be snatched out unless you fall out of His hands which He will not let happen Yes that is a bit of a paraphrase but it is what it seems you have been presenting...
Yes that is a bit of a paraphrase but it is what it seems you have been presenting...If you do not want to hold someones hand anymore, you stop holding the hand.....Not one verse in the Bible says that God has an obligation to hold you against your choice....
There are more IF & DO conditions in the New testament than people really like to admit....
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You contradict yourself by saying if you are in His hands you cannot be snatched out unless you fall out of His hands which He will not let happen Yes that is a bit of a paraphrase but it is what it seems you have been presenting...
Yes that is a bit of a paraphrase but it is what it seems you have been presenting...