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PHart said:
What do all the warnings and admonitions to keep believing mean to you then? The Bible itself doesn't seem to think his hand was too big to fall off from.
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We could look at them one by one. Or we could look at His promises...which are yes, and amen. Which is better? And which would lead to trust and faith? To encourage one to not fear when in troubles.
 
Bogadile said:
Got a verse for that? Is it going to be Hebrews 10:26?
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No, Hebrews 6:4-6.

See, the church thinks that the passage is talking about almost saved people who then reject the gospel. Well, if God won't let that person come back and have another stab at salvation how much less the person who really did believe but then rejected the gospel!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
See what. That God will not finish what he promised to start?

your right, I will never see it, take you non osas glasses of and see gods promises,
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Bro,
God never promised that if you stopped believing in him and forsake him that he has an obligation to keep you....the Bible proves this...it has nothing to do with works and everything to do with continued belief....

Joshua 24.14-15

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Now, therefore, fear the Lord and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”


This was a choice to live in belief or disbelief....
 
PHart said:
[/B][/COLOR]The promise is conditioned on you continuing to believe and trust in him to finish what he started.

Are you saying he will finish it even if you stop believing (H-grace doctrine)? Or are you saying the true believer can never stop believing?
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I would also like to know if him and others here also believe that if you stop believing you will still make the new Jerusalem...or heaven as some think...
 
PHart said:
Right, that is correct. That's why we need to stay in Christ through continued believing. You have to be in his hand to have the promise of never being able to be snatched out.
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True believers are in His hands and cannot be snatched out.

That is what we have been saying all along :)
 
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