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you should be more worried about your actions, than what other people think right now
you just slandered a brother based on a false pretense of what he said, and now your doing like a select group f people like to do and blame shift, and ignoring the true issue, and denying you even did anything wrong.
even if you were right about grace77's gospel being false, which I Have yet to see you or anyone else lose prove after well over a year now of attacks prove, the fact you sinned against him destroys your ability to even talk about whether h is right or wrong, if nothing else it makes you look bad, and your message is lost because of the way your going at it,
somethng sadly many in CC and in the churches today can not feel r some odd reason understand.
This is very important for all of us in the body of Christ to be watchful over as it can affect all of us if we are not careful.
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Guard your heart brethren!
Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Guard your heart brethren!
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All the lost are already under God's wrath and are disobedient to the Gospel:
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. -- Ephesians 2:1-3
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. -- John 3:36.
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. -- Ephesians 2:1-3
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. -- John 3:36.
The alternative I hear from person's is that we return to being like the early church.
Wait. What?
We are already like the early church; full of divisions, heresies, false teachers, false brethren &c.
This is why Paul was onto the false teachers, exposing them. And Jesus. And Peter. And John. And James. And Jude. And etc.
So, some of us will carry on with that, to the chagrin of many, to the disdain and displeasure of many, just like in the early church era.
But, like Paul stated, if he were to please men he could not be Christ's servant, and that in the context of exposing false teachers and condemning their teachings (Galatians 1:8-10).
Wait. What?
We are already like the early church; full of divisions, heresies, false teachers, false brethren &c.
This is why Paul was onto the false teachers, exposing them. And Jesus. And Peter. And John. And James. And Jude. And etc.
So, some of us will carry on with that, to the chagrin of many, to the disdain and displeasure of many, just like in the early church era.
But, like Paul stated, if he were to please men he could not be Christ's servant, and that in the context of exposing false teachers and condemning their teachings (Galatians 1:8-10).
That is a good question. To some, a seeker looking to lay hold of Truth has a different attitude than one who believes they are already in possession of it. We are all supposed to be convinced in our own minds, though 
There are a few things I wonder about, but as times goes on and I am exposed to various things, the picture becomes more clear to me. Early on I even wondered about the issue of Jesus Christ's divinity, being exposed to arguments both for and against. I did not belabor it, but over a period of time, the matter became settled in my mind. I now take that position in discussions with others. Why would I waver? It is fairly well explicitly stated in Scripture, in quite a number of ways
There are a few things I wonder about, but as times goes on and I am exposed to various things, the picture becomes more clear to me. Early on I even wondered about the issue of Jesus Christ's divinity, being exposed to arguments both for and against. I did not belabor it, but over a period of time, the matter became settled in my mind. I now take that position in discussions with others. Why would I waver? It is fairly well explicitly stated in Scripture, in quite a number of ways
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no doubt
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
Who is the "them" who said this to you sister?
I'm beginning to think it must have been one of the people whose posts I just skip, because this does not sound like G7, me, EG, PennEd, SOF, NNMG or many others I have come to know here and I have not heard anyone say it to you.
I'm thinking one person must have said these things to you (and must be one whose posts I have learned to skip) and you are thinking everyone said them to you?
I'm beginning to think it must have been one of the people whose posts I just skip, because this does not sound like G7, me, EG, PennEd, SOF, NNMG or many others I have come to know here and I have not heard anyone say it to you.
I'm thinking one person must have said these things to you (and must be one whose posts I have learned to skip) and you are thinking everyone said them to you?
no doubt
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
Was the elderly mason sowing discord? Like do you believe he was intentionally trying to bring darkness?
im just curious because I know some are led astray by wolves in sheep clothing... but wonder about wolves and if they are there knowing they serve not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through Faith in His Son and trying to disrupt those that do?
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no doubt
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
this is real life LOL!
more real for some than others....
you know, about 12 yrs or so ago, I was part of a church (worship team, evening worship leader) and the Pastor of that church was truly a Pastor in the best sense of the word
however, one of his elders was a wolf (I hate saying that. I love wolves but never mind) the elder basically undermined the pastor and was the source of an unholy hush that would come on the congregation at times. it was so wicked you could hardly stand under it. the elder had been a mason and probably still either had connections or was affected by the spirits associated with masons
the Pastor was at his wit's end cause when the Holy Spirit would really move on the congregation, at times this heavy, sticky evil thing would appear and people could feel it
you have to know what you don't want to know in a case like that. the pastor never suspected but I knew and the mason knew I knew. that's another story
I have a pretty decent portfolio of church service and being on the inside of what goes down
it is often not a pretty sight
I see elder boards creating more power than the Pastor and that is simply wrong...The local Pastor is God's man for the house God places him in...elders by Biblical definition should not even be in the church.....They should preside and oversee the work of the local church...a great elder will train great pastors and that is because great elders should be former great pastors...