Not By Works

[NoNameMcgee]

Hi NNM...I have to be honest, i just read it from my bible and it says to me that we must not remain at the cross but to walk on in our faith...It also says that those who have come to know the Lord and tasted Him, knowing what He has done for us can fall away and no more repentance is given...Because if they fall away, and come back, then they are crucifying for themselves the Son of God again...Those who stay in the faith all the way will receive blessings from God, but those that don`t will be burned in the fire...I am young in the Lord and learning, so i maybe wrong, just stepping out and stretching myself...xox...And if i am right, then there is no osas...xox...

thank you for sharing what you see rose
^_^

 

[Meggido]

Originally Posted by PennEd
Well, you have an obvious problem here with this interpretation.

The case can be made that Moses had a lapse of unbelief, and CERTAINLY, disobedience! So much so, that HE was not allowed to enter into the PHYSICAL Promise Land of Rest.

You are not suggesting Moses is lost are you? It could be that they and others, are the dry bones spoken about in Ezekiel.

Then again, it is also possible that you are right and they are lost. But I think we need to be consistent, and I don't see Moses as lost.

So moses is lost? That's a new one

dear readers look at this and learn....ED responded to my post and falsely implied I suggested Moses was lost....then EG continues to add ED's commentary to confirm what Ed stated....

Dear reader this poster never even brought up Moses in his reply to GB9 and never suggested, implied or even stated Moses was lost, because I never brought Moses up....

I leave it to you dear reader to determine who now is truthful and who has an agenda....

These are the games they play...

Just like this game.....Many of you saw how Ed contradicted himself with me...stating I was not anyone pastor here and should back off and be more loving like a minister should be...yet he was "led" to report me and my posts and was doing to me, exactly what he asked me to stop....he is not my elder and should not play my elder here..

oh and Ed to quote your own words, this is not being vindictive or angry...it is outing the truth about you.....

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I can only say this, from all that I have seen of heretic hunting on the internet, is that every person becomes a heretic to someone else.

But, I feel like Satan is having a great laugh, having been played by all of his cunning devices

Somewhere in this mess the call to love has been lost.

You haven't stopped loving, so no, it hasn't been lost.
I have seen you grow in love in just the past few weeks, so no, it hasn't been lost.
We are improving by His Spirit.
Putting our prides under and loving and walking in the Spirit for longer and longer periods of time.

 

[PennEd]

Did I mention Moses anywhere? and how do you imply that by me not bringing him into my reply I think he was lost!?!?! I mean really....Good grief.....how and why do you people do this!??!?!

Did it dawn on your thought process before making a false assumption and implication that I did not bring Moses up at all, because Moses was not in GB9's comments or had relevance to anything in his post?!?!?!

But if we must go here let's do it....Moses always had belief, he was denied access because he disobeyed a direct command from God and did something in his own power[did not speak to the rock, he tapped it twice] and then he took credit for the miracle..and he did both sins in front of the children....none of these things suggest he had a momentary lack of belief....

Ed, the dry bone sin Ezekiel are not the children that died in the wilderness...it was a Vision of how God was going to restore his people....

The Bible says it as plain as it can...the first generation died in the wilderness and did not enter in because of unbelief....not one of them had faith, but Joshua and Caleb.....This is stated in the record in Numbers and again by the writer of Hebrews in Chapters 3 & 4...Moses was denied for disobedience and rebellion.

Why does it insult so many people that God demands you stay in perfect belief, trust and faith from beginning to end!?!?!?

-AND-

Why do so many people insult God by stating it is his own faith, belief and trust that saves them from beginning to end?!?!?!

People seem to get upset that God is God....

Not quite sure what elicits such anger and multiple punctuations. The conclusion reached that the Children of Israel aren't saved, evidenced by the fact they couldn't enter the Promise Land, draws the point that neither did Moses.

Who's to say they didn't repent of their unbelief?

Interesting that Jesus Himself tells US how to be saved, by using the analogy of the bronze serpent Moses raised to heal, and save, the very SAME people you are professing as lost.

God told the people to go take the land. They had fear and unbelief. They paid the consequences of that fear and unbelief.

How many times have WE had fear in the face of doing what we KNOW is what the Lord wants us to do.
This really reaches to the core of this thread.
It is counter-intuitive for the human fleshly mind to SOLELY trust in Jesus ALONE, without ANY equivocations, for Salvation. But the crazy part is, and I have personal experience with this, when we stop "trying" and "striving" to do what He calls us to do, and realize who we are in Him, and see His Grace work more and more in our life, we NO LONGER strive to do what's right! Further, the lack of striving, results in committing far fewer sins! Counter-intuitive right?

It becomes part of our nature, and we WANT to please Him out of love and immense gratitude.

BTW. May we know your name? So we don't have to refer to you as Meggido?

 

[Stephen63]

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack...etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict"with some of Jesus' words in their opinion.

Are there any dedicated to Grace777x70?

There ought to be.

 

[Meggido]

If anyone should have lost their salvation it was David. He cheated on his close friend, got his wife pregnant. Instead of standing up and being a man about it, he tried to...

==get Uriah to lay with his wife so the pregnancy would be covered up. No DNA testing in those days
==got him drunk and Uriah still refused to lay with Bathsheba and slept on the street
==had him murdered. He was just as guilty as if he had stabbed him to death.

God sends Nathan who confronts David. David admits he's sinned and repents. Nathan said God has taken that sin from him.

Blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.[Romans 4:8]

The reason why we can't lose our salvation is because ALL our sins, past, present and future are under the blood.

It doesn't give us a license to sin, however.

Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid![Romans 6:1]

and look dear reader this is how falsehoods against certain posters gain steam.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This points to two things...

1) The imperfections of even the saved
2) The perfection of the Christ

It also,points to human pride, which professes they can be righteous themselves, and have to earn the right to enter in.

 

[loveme1]

lol whoops
i was more so asking what everyone else who has read the entire bible thinks hebrews 6 is speaking of in context


but thank you

x'D

hahaha

id even take it one step further and say you should start at hebrews 1

Hehe.. I have to agree with you.

It follows on line upon line precept upon precept .. but you know this.. so I will smile at your cheeky smiley and thank you for sharing Hebrews 6.

 

[Meggido]

Now look what you did here. You teach a truth then slam someone for not knowing it! Good going there Meggido.

someone that blows their bragger horn about being Seminary trained should know this....I did not do anything you suggest....

PS: you ignore the shots he took at someone you BOTH disagree with...your own motives are becoming ever clearer...

 

[Stephen63]

Did I mention Moses anywhere? and how do you imply that by me not bringing him into my reply I think he was lost!?!?! I mean really....Good grief.....how and why do you people do this!??!?!

Did it dawn on your thought process before making a false assumption and implication that I did not bring Moses up at all, because Moses was not in GB9's comments or had relevance to anything in his post?!?!?!

But if we must go here let's do it....Moses always had belief, he was denied access because he disobeyed a direct command from God and did something in his own power[did not speak to the rock, he tapped it twice] and then he took credit for the miracle..and he did both sins in front of the children....none of these things suggest he had a momentary lack of belief....

Ed, the dry bone sin Ezekiel are not the children that died in the wilderness...it was a Vision of how God was going to restore his people....

The Bible says it as plain as it can...the first generation died in the wilderness and did not enter in because of unbelief....not one of them had faith, but Joshua and Caleb.....This is stated in the record in Numbers and again by the writer of Hebrews in Chapters 3 & 4...Moses was denied for disobedience and rebellion.

Why does it insult so many people that God demands you stay in perfect belief, trust and faith from beginning to end!?!?!?

-AND-

Why do so many people insult God by stating it is his own faith, belief and trust that saves them from beginning to end?!?!?!

People seem to get upset that God is God....

Meggido, c'mon now, didn't you know you're in the "No Spin Zone"?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Hehe.. I have to agree with you.

It follows on line upon line precept upon precept .. but you know this.. so I will smile at your cheeky smiley and thank you for sharing Hebrews 6.

tried to rep ya but it says i need to wait 24 hours
xD

 

[loveme1]

tried to rep ya but it says i need to wait 24 hours
xD

You warmed my evening... made me of good cheer.. so worry not for anything else.

But may we grow in the Messiah and Glorify Heavenly Father always.

peace and blessing my dear.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Not quite sure what elicits such anger and multiple punctuations. The conclusion reached that the Children of Israel aren't saved, evidenced by the fact they couldn't enter the Promise Land, draws the point that neither did Moses.

Who's to say they didn't repent of their unbelief?

Interesting that Jesus Himself tells US how to be saved, by using the analogy of the bronze serpent Moses raised to heal, and save, the very SAME people you are professing as lost.

God told the people to go take the land. They had fear and unbelief. They paid the consequences of that fear and unbelief.

How many times have WE had fear in the face of doing what we KNOW is what the Lord wants us to do.
This really reaches to the core of this thread.
It is counter-intuitive for the human fleshly mind to SOLELY trust in Jesus ALONE, without ANY equivocations, for Salvation. But the crazy part is, and I have personal experience with this, when we stop "trying" and "striving" to do what He calls us to do, and realize who we are in Him, and see His Grace work more and more in our life, we NO LONGER strive to do what's right! Further, the lack of striving, results in committing far fewer sins! Counter-intuitive right?

It becomes part of our nature, and we WANT to please Him out of love and immense gratitude.

BTW. May we know your name? So we don't have to refer to you as Meggido?

Meggido is a great name meaning a few things...One is a fruit bearing a message...Also it`s Hhebrew and also it comes from Armageddon...It`s a name with great meanings...xox...

 

[stonesoffire]

someone that blows their bragger horn about being Seminary trained should know this....I did not do anything you suggest....

PS: you ignore the shots he took at someone you BOTH disagree with...your own motives are becoming ever clearer...

I plain out already told you my motives. You blast others but do the same things they do. Then say it's discerning. If you are discerning, it's a spirit that's discerned, not the person. So deal with the spirit, not the person.

 

[stonesoffire]

Hi NNM...I have to be honest, i just read it from my bible and it says to me that we must not remain at the cross but to walk on in our faith...It also says that those who have come to know the Lord and tasted Him, knowing what He has done for us can fall away and no more repentance is given...Because if they fall away, and come back, then they are crucifying for themselves the Son of God again...Those who stay in the faith all the way will receive blessings from God, but those that don`t will be burned in the fire...I am young in the Lord and learning, so i maybe wrong, just stepping out and stretching myself...xox...And if i am right, then there is no osas...xox...

Speaking to Jewish believers Rosemary. If they go back to trusting law, they have done despite to the Spirit of grace.

 

[Meggido]

Not quite sure what elicits such anger and multiple punctuations. The conclusion reached that the Children of Israel aren't saved, evidenced by the fact they couldn't enter the Promise Land, draws the point that neither did Moses.

Who's to say they didn't repent of their unbelief?

Interesting that Jesus Himself tells US how to be saved, by using the analogy of the bronze serpent Moses raised to heal, and save, the very SAME people you are professing as lost.

God told the people to go take the land. They had fear and unbelief. They paid the consequences of that fear and unbelief.

How many times have WE had fear in the face of doing what we KNOW is what the Lord wants us to do.
This really reaches to the core of this thread.
It is counter-intuitive for the human fleshly mind to SOLELY trust in Jesus ALONE, without ANY equivocations, for Salvation. But the crazy part is, and I have personal experience with this, when we stop "trying" and "striving" to do what He calls us to do, and realize who we are in Him, and see His Grace work more and more in our life, we NO LONGER strive to do what's right! Further, the lack of striving, results in committing far fewer sins! Counter-intuitive right?

It becomes part of our nature, and we WANT to please Him out of love and immense gratitude.

BTW. May we know your name? So we don't have to refer to you as Meggido?

Dear readers...look closer, he smears me by suggesting I am angry...he wants you to think I am angry and uncontrolled so he can build up a case....this is all this one does....then look closer again and at the lengths they argue away scripture....he does not back anything up with scripture and also has very poor understanding of the different stages of the Exodus and deliverance....

He belongs with the rest on ignore, and I am doing so now...he is also trying to play detective....all in the hopes of getting me banned....ignore is the best place for PennED....

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

G7, you just keep on Mr!
They will see it one day, and until then, you just keep on.
I have come to understand what you say more and more - even the parts I would word differently, I have come to understand what you mean.

 

[Stephen63]

dear readers look at this and learn....ED responded to my post and falsely implied I suggested Moses was lost....then EG continues to add ED's commentary to confirm what Ed stated....

Dear reader this poster never even brought up Moses in his reply to GB9 and never suggested, implied or even stated Moses was lost, because I never brought Moses up....

I leave it to you dear reader to determine who now is truthful and who has an agenda....

These are the games they play...

Just like this game.....Many of you saw how Ed contradicted himself with me...stating I was not anyone pastor here and should back off and be more loving like a minister should be...yet he was "led" to report me and my posts and was doing to me, exactly what he asked me to stop....he is not my elder and should not play my elder here..

oh and Ed to quote your own words, this is not being vindictive or angry...it is outing the truth about you.....

It starts out with a lie, & they keep building on it, all the while acting purer than the driven snow.

What can you build on a lie? More lying & deceit.

If the foundation is a lie, so's the whole house built on it.

 

[Meggido]

Meggido, c'mon now, didn't you know you're in the "No Spin Zone"?

yeah and the edster spinster just took the train to iggy land...

 

[Meggido]

Meggido is a great name meaning a few things...One is a fruit bearing a message...Also it`s Hhebrew and also it comes from Armageddon...It`s a name with great meanings...xox...

love ya rose....