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I'd have to agree. 
They walk in the Spirit no matter what because they have been blessed to SEE their poverty and so ask for what they need and lack and receive because they ask.
There are only two reasons we are told we won't receive - either we don't ask OR we ask with the wrong motivation of heart, to spend it on our pleasure.
They walk in the Spirit no matter what because they have been blessed to SEE their poverty and so ask for what they need and lack and receive because they ask.
There are only two reasons we are told we won't receive - either we don't ask OR we ask with the wrong motivation of heart, to spend it on our pleasure.
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Are these not all characteristics of the new man, the one born of the Spirit. I remember in a study a few years ago, that is what we were taught.
What do you guys think?
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
“Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Are these not all characteristics of the new man, the one born of the Spirit. I remember in a study a few years ago, that is what we were taught.
What do you guys think?
I'd imagine Satan is the first accuser of mankind before God. Not that God wasn't aware, mind you.
I wouldn't say God was the first redeemer. He was the only possible redeemer. This necessitates that Christ is God. God didn't send a created being here to die for our sins, God incarnate took care of this.
But I think the error people fall into is believing the Godhead must fit into their logic, thus "Son of God" &c is viewed through a lens of time and finite human reason, and then people think of Christ as a created being due to this title he assumed on earth, Son of Man, Son of God.
But people don't tend to study beyond the superficial. They seem more apt to learn a scant bit of Scripture then spend the rest of their lives arguing that bit online, in error to ad nauseam.
I know you didn't want all that but I gave it anyway because, well, I felt like it.
I wouldn't say God was the first redeemer. He was the only possible redeemer. This necessitates that Christ is God. God didn't send a created being here to die for our sins, God incarnate took care of this.
But I think the error people fall into is believing the Godhead must fit into their logic, thus "Son of God" &c is viewed through a lens of time and finite human reason, and then people think of Christ as a created being due to this title he assumed on earth, Son of Man, Son of God.
But people don't tend to study beyond the superficial. They seem more apt to learn a scant bit of Scripture then spend the rest of their lives arguing that bit online, in error to ad nauseam.
I know you didn't want all that but I gave it anyway because, well, I felt like it.
U
Very helpful, thank you. Yes I agree fully He was the only possible redeemer.
I also agree that the temporal perspective needs to be separated from eternal
I only know a scant bit....Not by Works.... so that is why I stay put in this thread for the most part....LOL
I also agree that the temporal perspective needs to be separated from eternal
I only know a scant bit....Not by Works.... so that is why I stay put in this thread for the most part....LOL
I'd imagine Satan is the first accuser of mankind before God. Not that God wasn't aware, mind you.
I wouldn't say God was the first redeemer. He was the only possible redeemer. This necessitates that Christ is God. God didn't send a created being here to die for our sins, God incarnate took care of this.
But I think the error people fall into is believing the Godhead must fit into their logic, thus "Son of God" &c is viewed through a lens of time and finite human reason, and then people think of Christ as a created being due to this title he assumed on earth, Son of Man, Son of God.
But people don't tend to study beyond the superficial. They seem more apt to learn a scant bit of Scripture then spend the rest of their lives arguing that bit online, in error to ad nauseam.
I know you didn't want all that but I gave it anyway because, well, I felt like it.
I wouldn't say God was the first redeemer. He was the only possible redeemer. This necessitates that Christ is God. God didn't send a created being here to die for our sins, God incarnate took care of this.
But I think the error people fall into is believing the Godhead must fit into their logic, thus "Son of God" &c is viewed through a lens of time and finite human reason, and then people think of Christ as a created being due to this title he assumed on earth, Son of Man, Son of God.
But people don't tend to study beyond the superficial. They seem more apt to learn a scant bit of Scripture then spend the rest of their lives arguing that bit online, in error to ad nauseam.
I know you didn't want all that but I gave it anyway because, well, I felt like it.
Hence your CC user name I love hearing peoples raw testimony.
When my wife got saved she had a very similar experience. (Stunned by Grace)
She was a straight up atheist, wanted NOTHING to do with God.
She was gardening one day and she looked at a small stem of a tomato plant that was just breaking the surface of the ground.
Suddenly the whole world became much brighter, like for real, not metaphorically, and slowed down for her, and she realized at that moment that God was real.
She said to herself, "I know you are real but I'm not sure about Jesus.".
She went to a bible believing church that weekend and Jesus surely was confirmed to her then.
That is her story of conversion. I believe her. She has walked with Jesus every day since, 14 years later.
I love hearing peoples raw testimony. When my wife got saved she had a very similar experience. (Stunned by Grace)
She was a straight up atheist, wanted NOTHING to do with God.
She was gardening one day and she looked at a small stem of a tomato plant that was just breaking the surface of the ground.
Suddenly the whole world became much brighter, like for real, not metaphorically, and slowed down for her, and she realized at that moment that God was real.
She said to herself, "I know you are real but I'm not sure about Jesus.".
She went to a bible believing church that weekend and Jesus surely was confirmed to her then.
That is her story of conversion. I believe her. She has walked with Jesus every day since, 14 years later.
E
Poor in spirit
poor gk ptochos
1. Reduced to being a begger to beg
2, to be destitute of wealth, influ nice position, lowly afflicted
3. To be needy, want
4, lacking in anything,
this typifies the the tax collector and his response to God to a T he became spiritually bankrupt, and by it called out to God in true repentance and by it entered the kingdom of God
Ah...your wife has the ability to make me cry when she is not even here. Quite a trick there.
Two weeks later I'm kneeling at the side of the road (Highway I90- between Buffalo and Rochester NY), crying my eyes out begging God for forgiveness and thanking Him for His sacrifice.
We have an AWESOME God!!
Hi all...It` late of the night now in England 2.15 early hours...Just need to say what is on my mind, there is no such thing in Scripture to say OSAS...Please tell me where i can find this...I know i am saved through Gods Grace, I know Hhe put the desire on my heart to come to His Son, I know that right now as i type i am saved, i know i am saved and sealed, i am a child of God...But i know of someone who had all these things that i have, he was baptized and truly walked and believed in the Lord, he has now gone back into the world, he is deaf to our Father, will God not harden hearts, yes He will...Romans 2:5Verse Concepts
[FONT="]But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God...I am secure on my path because i am walking in the Holy Spirit, but God is warning those who don`t turn back to Him, it`s not because they were never saved because these people are who walk away, if they were not, then God would not warn against those who do walk away...I am saved, we ALL our saved on this thread, but i am talking about those who lose hope, i know it`s hard to see because we are all so secure in what our Savior has done for us, hence why i am asking Where did OSAS come from...xox...Romans 2:5[/FONT]
[FONT="]But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God...I am secure on my path because i am walking in the Holy Spirit, but God is warning those who don`t turn back to Him, it`s not because they were never saved because these people are who walk away, if they were not, then God would not warn against those who do walk away...I am saved, we ALL our saved on this thread, but i am talking about those who lose hope, i know it`s hard to see because we are all so secure in what our Savior has done for us, hence why i am asking Where did OSAS come from...xox...Romans 2:5[/FONT]
I don't think abiding means being good enough. I think abiding means continuing in and growing in trust. It was because I finally saw that I was never going to be good enough but would always fail at some point, like when someone stepped on my toes or cut me off in traffic or did or said something selfish to me and I started screaming like a banshee about how they needed to apologize, that I DID begin to trust Him (abide more fully) to make me truly good.
I still believe abiding is necessary, but I have seen that He has to see even to that for me too.
In short, I still believe continuing and growing in my trust (abiding) is necessary. That is why He sees to it and brings me to the struggle to trust more fully. I used to think I was the one seeing to it. Even last week, I thought that.
I still believe abiding is necessary, but I have seen that He has to see even to that for me too.
In short, I still believe continuing and growing in my trust (abiding) is necessary. That is why He sees to it and brings me to the struggle to trust more fully. I used to think I was the one seeing to it.
Even last week, I thought that.
Hi EG,
If I remember correctly we were taught that with each category, you only know these once you're born again. But I might not be recalling what I learned because it was so long ago.
It was something like without Christ, you don't know you're spiritually bankrupt, the mourners is only comforted by the Lord. It's the only way we experience true comfort. Those who are gentle are those who have the Spirit's fruit, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are those who have the Spirit, the merciful only can show mercy if Jesus is living within, your can't be pure in heart without the Lord, you can't be a peacemaker without Him either and the last two are definitely those who already are born of the Spirit.
I'll have to see if I can find that book again, but I think it was along those lines of thinking. Thanks for your response EG.
If I remember correctly we were taught that with each category, you only know these once you're born again. But I might not be recalling what I learned because it was so long ago.
It was something like without Christ, you don't know you're spiritually bankrupt, the mourners is only comforted by the Lord. It's the only way we experience true comfort. Those who are gentle are those who have the Spirit's fruit, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are those who have the Spirit, the merciful only can show mercy if Jesus is living within, your can't be pure in heart without the Lord, you can't be a peacemaker without Him either and the last two are definitely those who already are born of the Spirit.
I'll have to see if I can find that book again, but I think it was along those lines of thinking. Thanks for your response EG.
E
I don't think abiding means being good enough. I think abiding means continuing in and growing in trust. It was because I finally saw that I was never going to be good enough but would always fail at some point, like when someone stepped on my toes or cut me off in traffic or did or said something selfish to me and I started screaming like a banshee about how they needed to apologize, that I DID begin to trust Him (abide more fully) to make me truly good.
I still believe abiding is necessary, but I have seen that He has to see even to that for me too.
In short, I still believe continuing and growing in my trust (abiding) is necessary. That is why He sees to it and brings me to the struggle to trust more fully. I used to think I was the one seeing to it. Even last week, I thought that.
I still believe abiding is necessary, but I have seen that He has to see even to that for me too.
In short, I still believe continuing and growing in my trust (abiding) is necessary. That is why He sees to it and brings me to the struggle to trust more fully. I used to think I was the one seeing to it.
Even last week, I thought that.
E
Hi EG,
If I remember correctly we were taught that with each category, you only know these once you're born again. But I might not be recalling what I learned because it was so long ago.
It was something like without Christ, you don't know you're spiritually bankrupt, the mourners is only comforted by the Lord. It's the only way we experience true comfort. Those who are gentle are those who have the Spirit's fruit, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are those who have the Spirit, the merciful only can show mercy if Jesus is living within, your can't be pure in heart without the Lord, you can't be a peacemaker without Him either and the last two are definitely those who already are born of the Spirit.
I'll have to see if I can find that book again, but I think it was along those lines of thinking. Thanks for your response EG.
If I remember correctly we were taught that with each category, you only know these once you're born again. But I might not be recalling what I learned because it was so long ago.
It was something like without Christ, you don't know you're spiritually bankrupt, the mourners is only comforted by the Lord. It's the only way we experience true comfort. Those who are gentle are those who have the Spirit's fruit, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness are those who have the Spirit, the merciful only can show mercy if Jesus is living within, your can't be pure in heart without the Lord, you can't be a peacemaker without Him either and the last two are definitely those who already are born of the Spirit.
I'll have to see if I can find that book again, but I think it was along those lines of thinking. Thanks for your response EG.