Not By Works

[FranC]

Hypocrisy, double-speak, and self aggrandizement are natural to some.
You will find out soon enough who they are. Sooner better than later

Oh my Sweetie,
You shouldn't speak about yourself that way!!!

 

[joefizz]

Well, by jove, sounds like the singles forum is for me!
Can I join in even though I've been married forever?
It's no fun around BDF!!
I'm getting on over there.

dan the mail man does despite being married lol so I don't know,according to the rules it's for singles,but I'm not a mod so I won't give a distinct yes or no on that lol.

 

[joefizz]

Joseph, your post make me curious to ask: do you then say that unbelief is forgivable?

Romans one makes clear that people are without excuse...

(Reading Romans 1 now...)

 

[FranC]

Actually it was YOUR claim I was responding to, so how could I have brought it up? Once again you misrepresent.

First of all making an honest mistake is not MISREPRESENTING.

Second of all, I didn't make a mistake.

it was about a discussion you were having with Desertsrose about how many times the Kingdom is spoken of in the N.T.

I said you were wrong in the point you made.

So now you're ACCUSING me of something, as you usually do because you're such a NICE PERSON.

So I guess I can say that you are

1. MISREPRESENTING ME
2. LYING ABOUT ME ( you do love to call persons a liar, don't you)

And, in a kind of a sort of a way you're aggrandizing yourself by pointing out that I was wrong.

WHICH OF COURSE I WASN'T.

I'm ALWAYS RIGHT.
Dontcha hate it?

 

[Magenta]

I'm speaking in regards to the "one" unforgivable sin,not unbelief being forgiveable or not,I can only assume on the basis of that the "one" unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit and that I suppose,that means unbelief is forgiveable by comparison,unless you can explain what you mean further.

If unbelief is not included in blasphemy, which is denying the work of God, then you must think it forgivable, for you say unbelievers are incapable of blasphemy. This frankly makes no sense to me. If one is not covered by the shed righteous blood of Jesus through faith, their names are blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, for they have not been born again of the Holy Spirit of God, and they pass into the second death.

Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Overt, verbal, and conscious repudiation of the fact that God is at work in
Jesus Christ accomplishing his designs through the power of the Holy Spirit.

^^ That definition is from http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit.html

 

[joefizz]

I'm speaking in regards to the "one" unforgivable sin,not unbelief being forgiveable or not,I can only assume on the basis of that the "one" unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit and that I suppose,that means unbelief is forgiveable by comparison,unless you can explain what you mean further.

well this is a rather tough question to answer,so don't keep me to my first post on this,I get what your saying but a simple yes or no is tough to discern,concerning is unbelief "forgiveable".

 

[FranC]

just looked in dictionary,it says...
aggrandizement:to increase in power,riches,etc.(webster dictionary)I think I get what you were saying now.

You're right Joe.

The word AGGRANDIZE comes from aggrandire.
It means simply: to make larger.

But in today's society it has come to have a negative connotation.

 

[joefizz]

If unbelief is not included in blasphemy, which is denying the work of God, then you must think it forgivable, for you say unbelievers are incapable of blasphemy. This frankly makes no sense to me. If one is not covered by the shed righteous blood of Jesus through faith, their names are blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, for they have not been born again of the Holy Spirit of God, and they pass into the second death.

Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Overt, verbal, and conscious repudiation of the fact that God is at work in
Jesus Christ accomplishing his designs through the power of the Holy Spirit.

^^ That definition is from http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit.html

well I know unbelief is blasphemy but determining if it too is unforgivable is the tough part.

 

[FranC]

In the gospels words of Jesus there are less than fifty mentions of the kingdom of God, KJV. Not about a hundred as you said. And it was not simply the NT, but the gospels you to which you specifically referred. So DR including the whole NT was an error to try to prove you right. You were wrong. I am sorry you find the truth so distasteful.

I'm sorry you dislike me so much that you think Desertsrose was PURPOSEFULLY trying to help me out.
Do you not know any theology at all?

I've told you that I'm not talking about how many times the word Kingdom is mentioned.
You failed to understand because the hatred you feel is Greater than the LOVE you should feel.

Does it make you happy to say that I was wrong?

Of course I wasn't.
So does it make you really upset when I'm right?

Gosh. That would mean you're upset all the time because I'm Always right.

You do need a lot of prayer Magenta. You have very negative feelings in you.
Can't Jesus get them out of you?
You keep telling me that it's HIM doing the works in you.
So can't He do THIS particular work?

I'm sorry, but seriously you do have very messed up theology and very messed up human feelings.

Messed up theology will lead to messed up feelings.
This is because you don't really understand how to work with the Holy Spirit.
You don't really understand HOW the Holy Spirit works in you.

The REASON you don't understand it is because of that messed up theology you have about Christ doing everything for you and YOU have to do NOTHING.

I'm not posting any verses either.
Why don't you sit yourself down and start reading the N.T. with Mathew and work your way through.
As you do this, pay attention to what JESUS says in the 4 gospels.

Do you have a red letter edition? Good.
Pay special attention to what God says. Remember, JESUS IS GOD.

Don't even go to church for a couple of weeks.
Just do this.

It would really help you a lot. But I know you won't do it because you feel you already know everything.

If you already really did know everything, you'd be a sweeter person. And I don't mean that you'd post prettier nonsense. I do hope you realize how hypocritical that is.

So, do as you wish.
I feel badly for you.

 

[Magenta]

well I know unbelief is blasphemy but determining if it too is unforgivable is the tough part.

If you go back to the first Passover, you will see that those not covered by the blood of the lamb experienced the death that was promised to them for their unbelief (that was the death of the first born in that case). As with many things in the Tanakh, this was a foreshadowing of Christ's shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sins, which was carried out at Passover. If one rejects Christ, they are not covered by His righteous blood. It is only through acceptance of His propitiatory sacrifice that we can be reconciled to God, and born again of the Spirit of God.

 

[FranC]

perhaps I should explain further allen spoke of the holy spirit as some kind of tool to use likely,as in as a way to find things when stones of fire asked a simple question of what number post was preacher's post,I did no different than the prophet whom came to david when he had murdered a man yet he was not aware of it,the same situation as with allen he spoke contrary to how the holy spirit works through us,and I merely was forewarning of that this is not simply mocking a person but God himself,for I wouldn't want anyone to provoke God and not be aware that speaking ill of the holy spirit in mocking is the same as mocking God so really I wasn't "picking on him" I was trying to keep him from a fight with God!

Don't you worry none about Allen and God.
I doubt very much he has anything to learn from anyone here.
Just because he's quiet means nothing.
He knows more than most here.
No need to help him along...

If he said something to the person...he knew exactly what he was doing.

But your thought is appreciated, I'm sure.

 

[joefizz]

well this is a rather tough question to answer,so don't keep me to my first post on this,I get what your saying but a simple yes or no is tough to discern,concerning is unbelief "forgiveable".

well also I was speaking on to blaspheme the holy spirit one would have to "believe in" and "accept the holy spirit then want rid of it at some point,which I can only guess would result in death,because the spirit is their life at that point,
just read through romans 1 and 2 and what I can gather is that those who choose "willingly" unbelief,are inexcusable concerning their sins so I can only conclude that this would be unforgivable as well,so I suppose speaking of the holy spirit as the one unforgivable sin is more of a clear warning to not blaspheme the holy spirit where as unbelief is to be understood in the same regard but not as a more foolish thing to do than blaspheming the holy spirit because it would mean the individual became a total hypocrite when wanting rid of the holy spirit(which is really bizarre to do)!

 

[Magenta]

well also I was speaking on to blaspheme the holy spirit one would have to "believe in" and "accept the holy spirit then want rid of it at some point,which I can only guess would result in death,because the spirit is their life at that point,
just read through romans 1 and 2 and what I can gather is that those who choose "willingly" unbelief,are inexcusable concerning their sins so I can only conclude that this would be unforgivable as well,so I suppose speaking of the holy spirit as the one unforgivable sin is more of a clear warning to not blaspheme the holy spirit where as unbelief is to be understood in the same regard but not as a more foolish thing to do than blaspheming the holy spirit because it would mean the individual became a total hypocrite when wanting rid of the holy spirit(which is really bizarre to do)!

People willfully reject God. Unbelievers constantly use His name in vain (profanity).

 

[FranC]

well this is a rather tough question to answer,so don't keep me to my first post on this,I get what your saying but a simple yes or no is tough to discern,concerning is unbelief "forgiveable".

Unbelief is NOT forgiveable.
I one dies in unbelief, he is lost.

Unbelief is blaspheming the Holy Spirit for the reason that Magenta stated.

So, Unbelief is not forgiveable
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which is the same idea, is unforgiveable.

 

[joefizz]

People willfully reject God. Unbelievers constantly use His name in vain (profanity).

but profanity itself is not blaspheming the holy spirit because it is forgiveable otherwise I would know of tons of people just dropping down dead!

 

[Magenta]

but profanity itself is not blaspheming the holy spirit because it is forgiveable otherwise I would know of tons of people just dropping down dead!

That was not the point. People use God's name in profanity without believing in Him.

 

[joefizz]

That was not the point. People use God's name in profanity without believing in Him.

Yep I get ya,if they persist in unbelief then die doing so they have no claim to salvation,for they were content with doing dismally.

 

[Magenta]

Yep I get ya,if they persist in unbelief then die doing so they have no claim to salvation,for they were content with doing dismally.

They are still in Adam (of the flesh), and the flesh counts for nothing.

I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! For there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

 

[joefizz]

Well, by jove, sounds like the singles forum is for me!
Can I join in even though I've been married forever?
It's no fun around BDF!!
I'm getting on over there.

miscellaneous is silly fun too,with some of the same kinds of threads as singles forum!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally-grateful, saw this on my Facebook and thought of you.

"My auto correct causes me to say things I didn't Nintendo".

Am still laughing. Lol never at you but with you because I have the same problem with my blessed iPad.

lol, love it!