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Jesus did say that destruction will occur immediately after the pre trib rapture, but He will descend with a shout....
Luke 17:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.[SUP] 30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]Remember Lot's wife.[SUP] 33 [/SUP]Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.[SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
There is an escape... and it is too bad that many believers do not see why Jesus tells them to always be ready to go, in leaving the cares of this life behind.
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
So how can anything be a snare to persecuted believers at the end of the great tribulation period? How can they even love that kind of life and have snares for the cares of this life when everything about the great tribulation is what the persecuted saints would rather not live in after a third of the world gets burned up ( the entire western hemisphere ) for which serves as a catalyst for the coming new world order and the mark of the beast system to buy and sell in order to survive in that NWO?
So Jesus's warnings are for the saints now to be ready as found abiding in Him and be willing to leave.
That is the whole point of addressing the seven churches in Revelations was to get ready & stay ready or else.
Luke 17:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.[SUP] 30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]Remember Lot's wife.[SUP] 33 [/SUP]Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.[SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
There is an escape... and it is too bad that many believers do not see why Jesus tells them to always be ready to go, in leaving the cares of this life behind.
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
So how can anything be a snare to persecuted believers at the end of the great tribulation period? How can they even love that kind of life and have snares for the cares of this life when everything about the great tribulation is what the persecuted saints would rather not live in after a third of the world gets burned up ( the entire western hemisphere ) for which serves as a catalyst for the coming new world order and the mark of the beast system to buy and sell in order to survive in that NWO?
So Jesus's warnings are for the saints now to be ready as found abiding in Him and be willing to leave.
That is the whole point of addressing the seven churches in Revelations was to get ready & stay ready or else.
Daniel 9:25-26 KJV
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
According to scripture Messiah was cut off in the 63rd week, the same week he confirmed the covenant with Abraham and ended animal sacrifices.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
According to scripture Messiah was cut off in the 63rd week, the same week he confirmed the covenant with Abraham and ended animal sacrifices.
Daniel 9:24 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I don't see punishment anywhere in that summary.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
I don't see punishment anywhere in that summary.
No KJV, it tells us right in the very first verse what is being revealed:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,."
Though the Lord's return to the earth to end the age is definitely one of the events that must soon take place. The majority of Revelation is revealing the events of God's wrath that will be poured out upon the earth "the things that must soon take place," or as Revelation 4:1 has it, "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this."
Also, the word "Apokalupsis" translated "Revelation" means to unveil things that were previously hidden. The Lord's sacrifice on the cross was something already very well known and established. But the details of the day of the Lord which the OT prophesied about, were not known and that is what Revelation is revealing, how God's wrath is going to be poured out and all related end-time events.
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,."
Though the Lord's return to the earth to end the age is definitely one of the events that must soon take place. The majority of Revelation is revealing the events of God's wrath that will be poured out upon the earth "the things that must soon take place," or as Revelation 4:1 has it, "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this."
Also, the word "Apokalupsis" translated "Revelation" means to unveil things that were previously hidden. The Lord's sacrifice on the cross was something already very well known and established. But the details of the day of the Lord which the OT prophesied about, were not known and that is what Revelation is revealing, how God's wrath is going to be poured out and all related end-time events.
Considering you believe the book was written in the 90's AD I can see how you would conclude that. I don't believe history, I believe John got and wrote the vision on the LORD'S day as the bible says.
Revelation 1:10 KJV
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Revelation 1:10 KJV
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,