Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Tell us, what churches today look like the New Testament church?

I thought I did that earlier. Did you not read?

 

[UnderGrace]

I hear ya....or should that be read ya. LOL

I have a few there, Maybe I need to add a few more..

 

[sevenseas]

The context is enduring under persecution, not enduring to gain eternal life.

some people ENDURE under very boring circumstances

they then turn to entertaining themselves

something for everyone?

I would advise you not to follow someone who constantly uses the word context for what they believe

in other words, the context is in context with verses strung together, having been taken OUT OF CONTEXT, while telling everyone else about context

they heard that word somewhere and decided it was a handy tool

context only counts if you understand the OT otherwise, you are still learning

we are all still learning, but some have context in that learning. meaning their foundation has been led and they are wise men and women and they have built upon THE rock, and that ain't Peter

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't cross Ralph.
that is not a wise thing to do.

I am worried about God. Ralph can not do anything to me, He may be able to take my life, but then I am just face to face with God. so ralph has no power over me.

The fact you think he can have power over anyone, now that should scare you.

 

[AllenW]

I have a few there, Maybe I need to add a few more..

Be a good boy, we all want to talk to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK

to whom it may concern"

EG obviously wants, nay, NEEDS someone with which to argue the exact same things he has argued low these many days

I disengage myself as of right now, because, although I loved the merry-go-round as a child, you cannot compare those lovely inanimate and created horses, with something in a field covering its beauty because it just rolled in mud AFTER the bath you gave it

yes, there are most certainly spiritual principals in that comparison, so if you think you see one? you may just

and he is STILL typing your instead of you're.

some people go to a rave and some just rave on

neither one is a good thing

Please do.

I do think it is funny how you judged me, then when corrected (about me saying a christian does not have to do works after he is saved) did not even admit your error.

that says enough.

 

[AllenW]

I thought I did that earlier. Did you not read?

If it was a thousand pages ago, I probably forget.

 

[stonesoffire]

All here might ask himself, "While the King is away, am I His faithful servant?" Avail yourelves, and He will give you His works, whether it be something as seemingly meaningless (so someothrs) as waiting for Him, works of prayer, of helping others, and all other works of God's love, He will provide to those willing.....

Jaume

Never assume that those who stand on the foundation of the works of Messiah only for salvation, is standing there with empty hands. Hands being symbolic for works. We brag on the Lord, not self.

 

[sevenseas]

The cross proves God's justice and mercy. I did not say grace.

Many, many people through the ages have come to know God's grace apart from the law...so I still do not understand what you are saying?

One must become a Jew before one can become a gentile believer?

you know, you actually did and here it is:

Originally Posted by UnderGrace

Yup God is Just and Merciful and the cross proves it.

Well if we cannot understand Grace then all your talk of following Jesus is not possible,

Jesus is described as “the Word that “became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

now tell me that is not what you meant

that seems to be the favorite 'go to' excuse when error, perceived or otherwise, is pointed out

and sure people have peace when everyone agrees in error...and I am not saying you are always in error either, but you don't seem able to own what you wrote here either

anyway, I say to you what I said to EG

these circular arguements are not to endorse or explain scripture

they are simply people defining their own beliefs and understanding

I disengage from this circular reasoning and back peddling as well thank you very much

 

[AllenW]

I am worried about God. Ralph can not do anything to me, He may be able to take my life, but then I am just face to face with God. so ralph has no power over me.

The fact you think he can have power over anyone, now that should scare you.

You and Ralph will have your day, believe me.

 

[UnderGrace]

I follow no one here

But, I do like it a lot!!!! when someone preaches the truth,

That we are saved by grace through faith and eternal life is a gift never to be lost or forsaken and no works or lack of works will keep us saved or cause us to loose our salvation.

Hope I cleared that up.

some people ENDURE under very boring circumstances

they then turn to entertaining themselves

something for everyone?

I would advise you not to follow someone who constantly uses the word context for what they believe

in other words, the context is in context with verses strung together, having been taken OUT OF CONTEXT, while telling everyone else about context

they heard that word somewhere and decided it was a handy tool

context only counts if you understand the OT otherwise, you are still learning

we are all still learning, but some have context in that learning. meaning their foundation has been led and they are wise men and women and they have built upon THE rock, and that ain't Peter

 

[sevenseas]

what does Jesus mean by take my yoke upon you and learn of me?

what does Jesus mean when He says PICK UP YOUR cross and follow me?

see how you post only what you want to believe?

YOU, do NOT know what works are or what part they play

you really should learn before you talk yourself out of believing

they will never answer it Stephen because it does not play a part in their theology

works are godly and there are more than one kind

we are free to do good works, but we are not free to step out and say GOD, ENDORSED our good works

they don't understand the separation or the fact that almost every single person is saying works do not save or keep you saved

no excuse for it either because the Bible is plain enough and spells it out 'real good'

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You and Ralph will have your day, believe me.

should I be scared?

smh!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

they will never answer it Stephen because it does not play a part in their theology

works are godly and there are more than one kind

we are free to do good works, but we are not free to step out and say ENDORSED our good works

they don't understand the separation or the fact that almost every single person is saying works do not save or keep you saved

no excuse for it either because the Bible is plain enough and spells it out 'real good'

I did answer it, So now your following in the footsteps of the people your trying to defened, and slandering others.

I hope you feel good about yourself.

 

[sevenseas]

I follow no one here

But, I do like it a lot!!!! when someone preaches the truth,

That we are saved by grace through faith and eternal life is a gift never to be lost or forsaken and no works or lack of works will keep us saved or cause us to loose our salvation.

Hope I cleared that up.

but the truth is you DID include grace

whatever

 

[Meggido]

I feel if OSAS and NOSAS men could leave go and get it through their thick heads that they will not change each others minds, we could move on to being able to practically help one another by sharing our struggles to remain and grow in trust/abide. That we could get to helping build one another up.

Impossible for babes in Christ, who feel the only true gospel, is defending their own personal version of it....

 

[sevenseas]

I see a new crowd is ready for another round of she said, he said, I said, you said, God said, but Jesus never said

I'll leave y'all to it then

 

[UnderGrace]

FranC said

Does anybody really understand Grace anyway? I doubt it.

My response,

Well if we cannot understand Grace then all your talk of following Jesus is not possible,

Jesus is described as “the Word that “became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

How do you follow what you cannot understand? Jesus was full of grace and truth.

So you think we cannot know or understand God's grace?

Sad heart...

some people ENDURE under very boring circumstances

they then turn to entertaining themselves

something for everyone?

I would advise you not to follow someone who constantly uses the word context for what they believe

in other words, the context is in context with verses strung together, having been taken OUT OF CONTEXT, while telling everyone else about context

they heard that word somewhere and decided it was a handy tool

context only counts if you understand the OT otherwise, you are still learning

we are all still learning, but some have context in that learning. meaning their foundation has been led and they are wise men and women and they have built upon THE rock, and that ain't Peter

 

[UnderGrace]

but the truth is you DID include grace

whatever

LOL

whatever

Reminds of when I taught high school.

 

[AllenW]

I see a new crowd is ready for another round of she said, he said, I said, you said, God said, but Jesus never said

I'll leave y'all to it then

I'll tell you what.
Let's ask Ralph.