Not By Works

[Stunnedbygrace]

This is snarky.

~According to what you've written above ---
The truth, according to you, is that we should have no worry for sinning

This above

and the comment of the academy award.

Not necessary...making judgments of your own on what I am saying and they are erroneous. Just answer the post with your scripture to back it up.

Same to you seven. I can prove everything I said with the greek and the Hebrew. And if Paul were here...would you believe his revelation? Or call him mystical. After all, he went into heaven and received this right from our resurrected Lord.

I hear the HolySpirit within. Am fine tuned to His Spirit because I don't have my own doctrines that I deem to be truth. Or pet doctrines I should say. Then I look for it in the Word. I have no denominational ties or to any movement. I listen then look.

Anyone who will keep the goal of truth even if it scratches out all you might of thought before, He will give more and more revelation.

And most important...it's revelation of Jesus and His body.

I will give my opinion here. I have seen you both be slightly snarky. A gentle response diverts snarkiness and nips it in the bud. (my paraphrase. )

The young woman in here who has endeared me with her winsome gentleness gave a gentle reply just a few pages back to snarkiness/a little bit of puff up, and the snarkiness stopped. It was so beautiful to see. And she doesn't even know she walked so well! Did you guys catch it? It made me cry it was so beautiful to see our Lord in her!

 

[BillG]

You have a very wise pastor. If you were in Maryland, I would go to that church immediately. Wrong doctrine or imperfection of doctrine is not what God looks at. That's just what we look at. God looks at the heart of a man. No one has perfect doctrine - they only think they do.

You must Some reputation around.

very well said sister.

 

[gb9]

there is not a wheelbarrow big enough to carry this load out of the field

does he actually post about anything actually going on in this thread?

nope

as usual, we have another unwanted view of the gospel, flavored with unbalanced you tube teaching and bits and pieces of escape from reality...er to reality I think it's called?

I think most of us can recite this garbage by heart but thankfully understand it is not the gospel

it's always a 'they'

he is the they he is talking about .

back on ignore

grace7 posts more truth in one post that many of you do in one day. just because you do not like what he says does not make him wrong.

 

[BillG]

Hey good thanks Bill. Took a breather. Now into F2F ministry for the next month. Thereafter perhaps getting back in here with a gusto !!! How are you?

Whats F2F ministry?

All well here, still plodding along as you can see.
Looking forward to going on holiday at then of next week.

 

[BillG]

Always apologizing for something.
Which one is you in the pic?
Come on, you know you want to tell us all about it.

Im the handsome one.

 

[sevenseas]

grace7 posts more truth in one post that many of you do in one day. just because you do not like what he says does not make him wrong.

I used to think he was contributing as well (although I never thought his posts were that wonderful. I saw him as someone who was learning and wanted to learn

then I started seeing how he changes what he says if someone points out error, by saying oh you misunderstood

I also checked out the sites and youtube vids he teaches himself from

it seems he now has graduated and thinks he is teaching us

it's gobbledegook

but as he is so fond of saying, believe what you want

that alone is error, because the Bible says the opposite

sorry, I understand where you are coming from

thankfully, I've moved on

he actually is fonder of bashing people with his malice and slander posts, then he is about writing anything useful

maybe one day you will see that

I won't respond again to your defense of this person. I can't help people in deception unless they see the deception

 

[AllenW]

Im the handsome one.

Lol, I'll leave that one alone...lol...

 

[gb9]

I used to think he was contributing as well (although I never thought his posts were that wonderful. I saw him as someone who was learning and wanted to learn

then I started seeing how he changes what he says if someone points out error, by saying oh you misunderstood

I also checked out the sites and youtube vids he teaches himself from

it seems he now has graduated and thinks he is teaching us

it's gobbledegook

but as he is so fond of saying, believe what you want

that alone is error, because the Bible says the opposite

sorry, I understand where you are coming from

thankfully, I've moved on

he actually fonder of bashing people with his malice and slander posts, then he is about writing anything useful

maybe one day you will see that

I see just fine. you do not have to 100% agree with anyone to respect them as a solid believer. grace7 gets a lot of abuse by the works crowd because he constantly blows up their junk.

 

[PHart]

NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved."

I showed you in context right within Hebrews 10 where it says 'sanctified' means saved. Here it is again:

10By this will (the New Covenant) we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

​

So it's very clear that the author is referring to saints perfected in Christ when he speaks of the wrath of God they will have along with the enemies of God (as opposed to the discipline of the sons of God) if they turn away from Christ in unbelief:

29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

​

If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

Right, sanctified doesn't mean saved. The context determines if sanctified means 'made clean unto salvation'. And as we can plainly see in the Hebrews 10 clips above sanctified refers to the person who has been set apart as clean to God and made perfect before God in salvation.

In 1 Corinthians 7 it refers to unbelieving family members being made clean (sanctified) so as to not make a believer defiled by being bound in relationship with them, which 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 otherwise forbids. You can't take it's meaning and usage in one passage and project it onto another passage just to make the passage say what you want. Especially since Hebrews 10 itself tells us what 'sanctified' means in Hebrews 10.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I love Jesus LGF. He's better to me than 10 husbands. Yet I love my husband too. There's no love like the Lords love. And that is why I stay close to Him. Seek to know Him in the scriptures.

He has never said to me, don't go to church Sundays. If He had, at one time I would of done it because I did not understand grace, nor did I understand what I have been given by the baptism of Holy Spirit. And very confused too about thinking I need to be good or I have to act "christian". How does one do that anyway? Acting would be fake would it not?

In 1988, I became disabled. Was single, no husband, and had kids to care for. I lost everything except my children, had to move in with my parents for a time. But, making a long story short, ended up eventually with a house completely paid. He told me many things about how He would keep me and He did. There's no earthly love like His. And that old song, no one ever cared for me like Jesus, is my testimony.

Then, unable to work, I began to study. Fell in love with words and their meanings. Have studied every word in a few books, but many chapters in others. Not bragging, it wa a great opportunity to learn more than I could get 1 1/2 hours a week. So, I know we rest with Him in the heavenly places, in His Victory won over all the enemy. He makes us the head and not the tail. He's as close as our very breath, and He hears our cries. He loves the widows, those who are completely dependent on Him for all things, man or woman for widow in His eyes means that. And that is what He desires to do in each of our lives.

At some point the body above along with our head, Jesus, will rise, and the body on earth will meet Him; becoming one completely with Him.

My thought is that we will share then in His victory if we have been taught of Him, and by Him. This is the Living way.

Sorry for the length but you did inquire of my love for Him.

He truly is our Sabbath rest which culminates in being with Him forever.

Loved reading your post SOF ...I don`t know much about the Sabbath from the OT but i do know what it means in the NT...I was mentally sick for many years, and once i was saved, i rested in my Lord everyday...I was to sick to go out in the world, i found it very hard to be around people, i was a total hermit, the only people i saw were my children and psychiatrist...After i remained in bed for a year, apart from getting up to the things we do, i fell into my new Bible and got drenched in the Word of God...From that year in bed i cried to Him daily, He taught me what it meant to be saved, He told me how much He loved me, He gave me His promises that He would heal me, today i still do many things from my bed but i am alive, He gave every day to me as His day of rest, and through that rest He built me up in His strength, He has not told me in anyway that i must choice a day, He has told me that He alone is my rest untill the day He calls me home \o/...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

No, sorry, there isn't a bit of truth in that whatsoever and it's utterly false. Sounds like some New Age mysticism and thought added in.

Actually, I'm not sorry it needs to be refuted. Absurd teachings like this don't have a place in Biblical Christianity.

Hi preacher4thuth...I agree with you...It`s not something i posted saying it was something i believed, i said it was something i heard, and you are so right, there is no truth in it, that is why i also excepted the correction from Desertsrose about speaking of things that we hear and posting was is not bibical, i was wrong and will not make that mistake again...xox...

 

[PHart]

Im the handsome one.

In my country we let the kids play with the steering wheel on the right side of the car.

 

[Rosemaryx]

It's okay to write something you heard or an explanation someone gave you. It's GOOD for us to talk it out with scripture and each add a verse or two we think applies.

Hi Stunnedbygrace...I agree with you, but what i wrote i wrote without Scripture to back it up, so it was just an idea from man that i heard what i wrote, that`s where i went wrong......xox...

 

[AllenW]

Im the handsome one.

Here's Wrigley and family;

 

[FranC]

No doubt what so ever that Judas was a child of the devil, never saved...I was just reading that he never addressed Jesus by His name but called Him Rabbi because he never believed that Jesus was the Messiah... Judas has choices just like we all have, he was never a believer, he was greedy, a thief,Jesus said in Mark 14:18 " Woe to the man who betrays the Son of man, it would be better for him not to off been born "...He knew Judas for who he was,whenever the disciples were named, judas was always last, he was evil through and through, he never fell away because he was never saved...xox...

Hi Rosemary,

The above could be argued.
Jesus did not start saying that Judas would betray Him until the end of the Ministry.
Jesus' ministry lasted more than three years.
Why would He keep an avowed unbeliver with Him all that time?
Did you read Mathew 10 when Jesus sends out the 12?

I'm only here to say that Rabbi was a title and the person was very respected.
They were a pastor, a teacher, an Advisor, a ceremonial leader and a civil authority.
Whatever anyone needed, they went to the Rabbi.

When Jesus was called Rabbi, by many, it was a title of Honor.
It meant a teacher. And what the teacher taught (at least back then) was accepted as truth.

The gospels were written after Jesus died. The other Apostles resented Judas.
Maybe this is the reason they Always listed him last??

 

[Chris1975]

Whats F2F ministry?

All well here, still plodding along as you can see.
Looking forward to going on holiday at then of next week.

Face to Face

 

[FranC]

Hi preacher4thuth...I agree with you...It`s not something i posted saying it was something i believed, i said it was something i heard, and you are so right, there is no truth in it, that is why i also excepted the correction from Desertsrose about speaking of things that we hear and posting was is not bibical, i was wrong and will not make that mistake again...xox...

Blessed are the humble...

God bless you

 

[BillG]

In my country we let the kids play with the steering wheel on the right side of the car.

So do we as well

 

[BillG]

Face to Face

Thought it might be. Is that an ongoing thing?

 

[PHart]

I believe there is no hole too deep or darkness to far that God can't reach and save some one from. Do you agree?

No, I don't agree, because the Bible is very clear about where the grace of God will not go:

"4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." (Hebrews 6: NASB)​

Even if you disagree with what the actual state of the person was (saved or unsaved) who is now being prevented from repenting, the point is, God has established a boundary at which his grace ends.

Perhaps there might be some people who reject God and walk away from Him, but I don't think we should write them off as hell bound. I believe God calls us to go after the lost sheep and bring them back home to Him, would you agree or disagree?

Only God knows when a person has crossed the boundary He himself set where He will not allow His grace to go. But that does not change the fact that we are free to judge a person as an unbeliever if they have demonstrated a lifestyle of unbelief. What we can't do is condemn them before the door of salvation closes for all mankind at the resurrection. We can't know if God has sealed their fate in their unbelief, or not. We can judge people's behavior, but we can not condemn them to hell.