16 Million Americans Could Lose Health Insurance Under "Skinny Repeal"

[Craigb513]

I cant wait for the next election man i miss obama

 

[Desdichado]

Then the other question is do we trust the government to decide who the lazy people are and who the people in need are?

I don't.

Not what I said.
Many/most working people have ins. We pay for it with the money we earn.
Some people are truly in need and I will gladly pay taxes to help them.
BUT, there are just to many who are lazy, don't work and DEMAND that free ins is their right.
Some say they can not afford ins but have cell phones, computers, and other toys.

I point is that many politicians, those in the news media, and many others use scare tactics when they say "people will die"
This is a lie.
I will ask again-----Do you know of a single person in this country that has been denied medical help because they did not have ins?

 

[notbythesword]

I have to disagree Willie. Yes the OC plans may disappear in short time,but the tax on those that don't have it won't .
OC may force many out of having insurance but it won't stop the government from taxing you for not having it .
Its a nightmare and it's only going to get worse.
Blessings
Bill

Didn’t Trump sign an executive order to block the IRS from enacting the tax penalty among those who do not wish to purchase insurance? I can't remember. Also, it’s hard to keep up with what gets overturned and what doesn’t these days.

 

[Magenta]

I cant wait for the next election man i miss obama

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[Sully]

Obama left Washington? News to me...

 

[Desdichado]

The penalty still technically exists, but the IRS cannot inquire if you leave that section of the form blank.

Didn’t Trump sign an executive order to block the IRS from enacting the tax penalty among those who do not wish to purchase insurance? I can't remember. Also, it’s hard to keep up with what gets overturned and what doesn’t these days.

 

[Desdichado]

After today, I'm investing more emotional and intellectual capital into our state parties.

I'm still very much a Republican, but DC can't seem to tell a hawk from a handsaw. I don't even know what the national party is anymore.

 

[Oncefallen]

Yet no one is going after big pharma. They claim that they need to charge a lot to recoup their R&D costs but then why are they only doing it to americans?

Simple, Canada dictates to pharmaceutical companies what they will pay (much the same way that Medicare and Medicaid tell doctors in the US what they will pay). A national healthcare system has considerably more financial leverage than individuals or insurance companies (not that I'm a proponent of nationalized healthcare).

 

[posthuman]

Didn’t Trump sign an executive order to block the IRS from enacting the tax penalty among those who do not wish to purchase insurance? I can't remember. Also, it’s hard to keep up with what gets overturned and what doesn’t these days.

Obama did, excluding from penalty low-income people who live in one of the 19 red states that refused to expand medicaid and/or set up the exchange market. like me.

i can tell you, that fact? not heavily advertised in this state.

 

[peacenik]

Originally Posted by Persuaded

Just a question for everyone.
Do any of you know of a person who has been denied medical care because of no ins.?
I do not.
All anyone has to do is go to a hospital ER.

May not be the first choice, but if you must, go.

Historically there were numerous cases of people denied such services due to an inability to pay. This is why Congress passed EMTALA in 1986. While this legal mandate was unfunded, it would allow lawsuits for any such denials after its enactment.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Donald Trump care?

I really think Trump wouldn't mind the new name for It.

 

[Susanna]

Then the other question is do we trust the government to decide who the lazy people are and who the people in need are?

I don't.

I'm lazy but I'm not in need. Haha.

 

[tourist]

I cant wait for the next election man i miss obama

Your guy caused the mess in health care in the first place.

 

[Stephen63]

McCain & the senators from Alaska & Maine all voted no, shutting down the bill in the senate.

How McCain tanked Obamacare repeal - POLITICO


Paul Ryan couldn’t persuade him. Neither could Mike Pence. And in the end, President Donald Trump couldn’t reel in John McCain either.
The president made a last-ditch effort, calling the Arizona senator and key holdout on the GOP’s Obamacare repeal measure, as the bill’s fate hung in the balance, according to two sources familiar with the conversation. After Pence had spent about 20 minutes working McCain, the senator went off the floor to speak with Trump by phone, those sources said.

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Whatever the men said, it didn’t work. Shortly before 1:30 a.m. Friday, McCain strode to the well of the Senate, and gestured his hand downward to vote “no.” Stunned gasps echoed throughout the chamber.
“I thought it was the right vote,” McCain told reporters as he left the Capitol. “I do my job as a senator.”

I'm surprised they didn't declare McCain incompetent due to his brain cancer. The sooner he leaves, the better.

 

[p_rehbein]

If they REALLY wanna solve Health Care............enact a MANDATORY 3 YEAR SERVICE in the US Military for every young man and woman when they turn 18 years old. They get out at 21, and they can go under the V.A. Health Care Program.

Congress would have to make the Program available to all who serve, even if it was not in war time, but that's no problem.

Then they could take ALL DAT MONEY (our tax dollars) and FUND A BETTER VA SYSTEM!

 

[Billyd]

I'm surprised they didn't declare McCain incompetent due to his brain cancer. The sooner he leaves, the better.

McCain is probably the sanest republican in the Senate. He threw out a piece of junk legislation that 48 other senators didn't have guts to realize was trash when it was staring them in the face. The vote should have been 100 to 0 against it.

 

[Persuaded]

Your guy caused the mess in health care in the first place.

In some ways, our health care system was not healthy, but Obama and his congress put it on it's death bed.
There is no quick fix and it will probable take years and a lot of tax money to correct the damage they did.

 

[Depleted]

Just a question for everyone.
Do any of you know of a person who has been denied medical care because of no ins.?
I do not.
All anyone has to do is go to a hospital ER.
May not be the first choice, but if you must, go.

I've been told, "Don't worry about the copay," after telling them I could not afford the $400 copay, and I got up to walk out.

Somehow they thought $400 wasn't a big deal a month later. I couldn't afford $400. It wasn't like "I can't afford $400 today, but hey, no problems on Tuesday."

Yeah, just because they will treat you without medical coverage does not mean they won't bill you for it too. And then you're job is to prove -- by coming up with copies of all your bills for the last 18 months, plus proof of income for 18 months to (and making all those copies cost time and money too) -- so they can decide for you how much you could afford.

Do you really think they don't bill people, simply because they don't have insurance?

 

[Persuaded]

I've been told, "Don't worry about the copay," after telling them I could not afford the $400 copay, and I got up to walk out.

Somehow they thought $400 wasn't a big deal a month later. I couldn't afford $400. It wasn't like "I can't afford $400 today, but hey, no problems on Tuesday."

Yeah, just because they will treat you without medical coverage does not mean they won't bill you for it too. And then you're job is to prove -- by coming up with copies of all your bills for the last 18 months, plus proof of income for 18 months to (and making all those copies cost time and money too) -- so they can decide for you how much you could afford.

Do you really think they don't bill people, simply because they don't have insurance?

Sure they will bill you.
But you will receive medical care.
My point is when some in congress or in the media say "people will die" they are lying. It is a scare tactic.
I know there are problems that need to be addressed, but stop with the lies.

 

[Depleted]

Not what I said.
Many/most working people have ins. We pay for it with the money we earn.
Some people are truly in need and I will gladly pay taxes to help them.
BUT, there are just to many who are lazy, don't work and DEMAND that free ins is their right.
Some say they can not afford ins but have cell phones, computers, and other toys.

I point is that many politicians, those in the news media, and many others use scare tactics when they say "people will die"
This is a lie.
I will ask again-----Do you know of a single person in this country that has been denied medical help because they did not have ins?

I know a lot of people who choose dying that facing those hefty bills that will come due. I'm one of them, and I have medicare and a medigap insurance. (Notice. Still owed $400 with both.)

Question for you and all the others who are "gladly pay taxes to help them:" Exactly why are you happy to pay an entity who will waste most of the money you send them to frivolous crap, but aren't happy to donate that same money to a charity that would directly help those same people with a lot less overhead.

Strange thing, once Social Security became law, giving to charities decreased by 80%. Everyone seems so glad to pay taxes so they don't have to deal with any of it.

Odd, considering we're all talking how ineffective the government is. I personally hate paying taxes, because they are so ineffective.