The Rapture
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lol,it made me curious also. James quotes from LXX (paraphrases) and does not exactly quote this from Hebrew. "After" is not in the Hebrew but James and all of the rest in Acts 15 seem to acknolage "after" to be acceptably applied(they don't disagree with James using it) but if he did and they agree then something has to be completely finished in time to then say "after this".
That's why I was asking about "after" because "before" the things took place that are "before" that would happen(gentile admission/David's tent) in Amos where he quotes the destruction has already happened and after that the tent is restored, but Jerusalem in Acts 15 is still standing and would for approx. 18-20 years more before it would be destroyed.
But they seemed to not see it that way, to them in Acts 15 what ever took place before that point the (Gentile issue/A15) seemed to be taking place "after" it was already in place and that "after" it was the Gentiles being brought in. So Jesus was the temple that was destroyed that he said would be raised in 3 days would be the only one destroyed before Acts 15 (the other was still standing).
I told you before, Numerology is trying to turn Biblical Interpretation into a Science, making Numerology a Psuedo Christian CULT.
Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
THERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION. THEY DID NOT TURN TO NUMEROLOGY TO COUNT TO INTERPRET. NOR DID THEY SEARCH FOR HIDDEN CODES, OR SO-CALLED HIDDEN WISDOM.
The worst example of searching for hidden wisdom that I ever heard of, came from a little rural Appalachian Church. They said that Bible had hidden wisdom that made it clear that GOD did not want women to wear their hair in a bun. Here is the verse that they said contained that specific hidden wisdom:
Matthew 24:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
NUMEROLOGY IS DOING THE SAME THING TO BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION THAT THEY DID.
Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
THERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION. THEY DID NOT TURN TO NUMEROLOGY TO COUNT TO INTERPRET. NOR DID THEY SEARCH FOR HIDDEN CODES, OR SO-CALLED HIDDEN WISDOM.
The worst example of searching for hidden wisdom that I ever heard of, came from a little rural Appalachian Church. They said that Bible had hidden wisdom that made it clear that GOD did not want women to wear their hair in a bun. Here is the verse that they said contained that specific hidden wisdom:
Matthew 24:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
NUMEROLOGY IS DOING THE SAME THING TO BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION THAT THEY DID.
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sekluud boi this is weird why are all the bugged out full-preterists like plainword and locutus so nice and cool yet so wrong??????? stop it come to our side start reading the news who knows maybe jerusalem will be surrounded again for the billionth time like in 587BC, 70AD, 614AD, 637AD, 1099AD, 1187AD, 1244AD, 1917AD, 1948AD and 1967AD...... so when we see jerusalem surrounded by armies we know Jesus is coming back well we had lots of opportunities for that
hahahaha im literally going crazy rn.......... whats going on why does this go round and round in circles....... jerusalem isnt even a good place to live in right now with water shortages and unsafe environment ur better off in europe or usa
but people are eager to live there....... prophecy.
sekluud boi this is weird why are all the bugged out full-preterists like plainword and locutus so nice and cool yet so wrong??????? stop it come to our side start reading the news who knows maybe jerusalem will be surrounded again for the billionth time like in 587BC, 70AD, 614AD, 637AD, 1099AD, 1187AD, 1244AD, 1917AD, 1948AD and 1967AD...... so when we see jerusalem surrounded by armies we know Jesus is coming back well we had lots of opportunities for that
hahahaha im literally going crazy rn.......... whats going on why does this go round and round in circles....... jerusalem isnt even a good place to live in right now with water shortages and unsafe environment ur better off in europe or usa
but people are eager to live there....... prophecy.That is because the Rapture definitely happens BEFORE THESE VERSES.
Revelation 6:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] because the great day of Their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?”
How do I know that?
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
In fact, I personally believe it happens before Chapter Four even begins, and here is why.
Revelation 4:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.
I believe those are ELDERS OF THE CHURCH. Interestingly, we are currently near the end of the 24th generation since the Church began on the day of Pentecost. Could it be that one Elder is appointed to represent each generation? Could it be that Billy Graham could be the Elder that represents the 24th Generation?
So where is the sum total of the CHURCH in the book of Revelation? IN PLAIN SITE mixed in with the OT Saints and the Tribulation Saints, who ALL ARE PART OF THE ASSEMBLY CHRIST BUILT, HIS BRIDE:
Revelation 7:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After this I looked, and there was a vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, which no one could number, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were robed in white with palm branches in their hands. {There we ALL are, the ASSEMBLY CHRIST HAS BUILT.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation belongs to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!
[SUP]11 [/SUP] All the angels stood around the throne, the elders, and the four living creatures, and they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] saying: Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.
Many still argue, "It still does not specifically mention the details of the Rapture." SO WHAT, we were TOLD that our NEW TESTAMENT DID NOT HAVE ALL THE DETAILS OF EVERYTHING, NOT EVEN CLOSE. IT IS A COLLECTION OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, NOT CONTAINING ALL THE DETAILS:
John 21:25 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if they were written one by one, I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.
Revelation 6:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] because the great day of Their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?”
How do I know that?
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
In fact, I personally believe it happens before Chapter Four even begins, and here is why.
Revelation 4:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.
I believe those are ELDERS OF THE CHURCH. Interestingly, we are currently near the end of the 24th generation since the Church began on the day of Pentecost. Could it be that one Elder is appointed to represent each generation? Could it be that Billy Graham could be the Elder that represents the 24th Generation?
So where is the sum total of the CHURCH in the book of Revelation? IN PLAIN SITE mixed in with the OT Saints and the Tribulation Saints, who ALL ARE PART OF THE ASSEMBLY CHRIST BUILT, HIS BRIDE:
Revelation 7:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After this I looked, and there was a vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, which no one could number, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were robed in white with palm branches in their hands. {There we ALL are, the ASSEMBLY CHRIST HAS BUILT.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation belongs to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!
[SUP]11 [/SUP] All the angels stood around the throne, the elders, and the four living creatures, and they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] saying: Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.
Many still argue, "It still does not specifically mention the details of the Rapture." SO WHAT, we were TOLD that our NEW TESTAMENT DID NOT HAVE ALL THE DETAILS OF EVERYTHING, NOT EVEN CLOSE. IT IS A COLLECTION OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, NOT CONTAINING ALL THE DETAILS:
John 21:25 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if they were written one by one, I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.
well you've just grabbed a simple expression, megas thlipsis, immense suffering, and turned thlipsis into a proper noun. Like Mega Thlipsis. This just does not fly.
It's like writing a history of American History and saying that George Washington was a man of great vision, and then later saying that Lincoln had great vision, and then saying that Lincoln and Washington shared the same "Great Vision." Palpably ludicrous. Besides, what would the fornicating Thyatirans who sacrificed their meat to idols want to be doing in ultra religious Jerusalem over Passover? Makes no sense
Back to the issue, the question remains but if you have lost interest just say.
It's like writing a history of American History and saying that George Washington was a man of great vision, and then later saying that Lincoln had great vision, and then saying that Lincoln and Washington shared the same "Great Vision." Palpably ludicrous. Besides, what would the fornicating Thyatirans who sacrificed their meat to idols want to be doing in ultra religious Jerusalem over Passover? Makes no sense
Back to the issue, the question remains but if you have lost interest just say.
Just got in from 2 days of traveling and what's the first thing I see?
An article on how the Jews are now reclaiming the temple mount as their sovereign property. They put in metal detectors for the muslims, the muslims protested by staying away, Jews took their absence as a chance to resume kneeling prayers there, the government took that as an opportunity to claim their right to the mount.
Are ya SURE they're not going to build another temple there?
An article on how the Jews are now reclaiming the temple mount as their sovereign property. They put in metal detectors for the muslims, the muslims protested by staying away, Jews took their absence as a chance to resume kneeling prayers there, the government took that as an opportunity to claim their right to the mount.
Are ya SURE they're not going to build another temple there?
You make a valid point.
The fact remains, the Apocalypse was about the destruction of Jerusalem. Other than Christ (which most didn't recognize) and perhaps their founding, there was no bigger event to the Jewish race in 4,000 years. If John didn't write about it, who did?
As an important side-bar, salvation first came to the Jews, then the Gentiles, right? Well, the OT was written in Hebrew and the NT in Greek. Each audience receive the Word in their native language.
John wrote Revelation to the 7 Gentile churches in Asia Minor which is Turkey today. These were Greco-Roman churches. Therefore the symbols he used would be familiar to them and the Jewish Christians. Any decent historian can tell you how incredibly important those symbols are and understanding them is the key to it all.