Earth is Flat and Stationary

[pckts]

The Sydney Opera House is SOUTH of the Tropic of Capricorn, or OUTSIDE your orange circle. The date is IRRELEVANT, because the sun is ALWAYS NORTH of this location. The time of day is early, just after sunrise. The daylight picture from above shows the shadows to the SOUTH of the OH. The sunrise photo shows the sun to the SOUTHEAST. Your hypothesis is trashed, your model is worthless, and your conspiracy is debunked.

Sydney, NSW, Australia: Latitude and longitude coordinates are: -33.865143, 151.209900. (source: http://www.latlong.net/place/sydney-nsw-australia-700.html)


"The Tropic of Capricorn is one of the five major circles of latitude that mark maps of Earth. As of 12 July 2017, its latitude is 23°26′13.2″ (or 23.43701°)[SUP][1][/SUP] south of the Equator" (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Capricorn)

I still can't take your word for any of the information, and the time of year is RELEVANT, because as I've said, there isn't a clear consensus on the boundaries for the sun and moon's orbit. I still believe in flat earth, and I also believe you are ridiculous for giving me two still photos without information and asking me to figure out the sun's orbit with them.

 

[Dino246]

I still can't take your word for any of the information, and the time of year is RELEVANT, because as I've said, there isn't a clear consensus on the boundaries for the sun and moon's orbit. I still believe in flat earth, and I also believe you are ridiculous for giving me two still photos without information and asking me to figure out the sun's orbit with them.

How can the time of year be relevant when the location is south of the Tropic and outside your orange line? That location ALWAYS has the sun to the North. I chose a well-known location which can't be faked easily. Your claim that there isn't clear consensus on the sun's orbit is a dodge. There certainly is clear consensus, to a more-than-sufficient degree of accuracy. It's called the Tropic of Capricorn. It was known hundreds of years ago, before any alleged NASA conspiracy.

At the very least, you are obligated by intellectual honesty to check out the validity of the evidence I've presented. Your model in no way allows for the sun ever to appear to the southeast of the Sydney Opera House, yet the sunrise picture clearly shows it so.

 

[pckts]

How can the time of year be relevant when the location is south of the Tropic and outside your orange line? That location ALWAYS has the sun to the North. I chose a well-known location which can't be faked easily. Your claim that there isn't clear consensus on the sun's orbit is a dodge. There certainly is clear consensus, to a more-than-sufficient degree of accuracy. It's called the Tropic of Capricorn. It was known hundreds of years ago, before any alleged NASA conspiracy.

At the very least, you are obligated by intellectual honesty to check out the validity of the evidence I've presented. Your model in no way allows for the sun ever to appear to the southeast of the Sydney Opera House, yet the sunrise picture clearly shows it so.

https://maas.museum/observations/20...he-year-as-seen-from-the-southern-hemisphere/

"The yearly back and forth movement of the rising and setting Sun along the eastern and western horizons, respectively, provides a useful calendar of sorts. When the Sun sets furthest to the north it is winter, when it sets due west it is spring or autumn and when it sets at its furthest to the south it is summer."

The sun setting south only occurs in Australian summer.



Thanks, you are helping me narrow down which flat earth orbit map is correct. prove those pictures taken were in the winter months, and then you might have a point, but if it's in the summer it's flat earth compatible.

 

[Bladerunner]

I haven't read most of this thread, so if someone has already said this, just ignore this.

If the earth is flat, it should be easy to go to the edge and take a picture of what is below. Or for that matter, the edge where the earth stops.0 I'm sure someone has done it by now.

So please post some pics of the edge of this flat earth, and then I will believe. Or, I will spend a lot of time discrediting them, maintaining they were photoshopped, etc!

check out Admiral Bird ,,,,end of WWII and on....They found it.....sent up multiple Nukes at the same time two different times so it was not to test the bombs themselves. By the way..... the Firmament held........

One other point.....Check out the US Geological maps of the world,,,, They are the same as the UN insignia.

I do believe that Antarctica was supposed to be 15,000 miles when Circumnavigating it shore line. It actually took 65, mi to do it......Interesting......

One other point,,,, NASA has already taken down a lot of the old records....There are still some out there it you look hard enough....Like Global Warming,,,NASA is changing the bar.... They went back and changed the temperatures from 100 years ago. They said they had better data now that those temperatures were wrong so they changed them. WOW oh you can find those old records as well.......if you look hard enough.

My suggestion. whether these things I am saying (above) are true or false does not matter nor is the fact that since they are the truth, still nothing in the world will change at all......

What does matter each individual on this thread is the question. Do you believe God's or do you believe Man's word. And only you can answer that for God's ears only........

 

[PeterJens]

It's fake.

I am sorry. Weather satellites and analysis of the surface of the earth are big money.
Street view on google maps. google maps built from space.

Millions of $ are made by this being accurate time specific information.
The whole industry relies on this and pictures from space can be compared to events
on the ground, one to one.

So you saying it is fake is just standing up like a child and having a temper tantrum that
the world is not like you want it or think it is.

Please grow up, and face reality before reality comes and faces you. God bless.

 

[PeterJens]

"If we start putting any forces in to the space station it's going to make those solar rays bounce around a little bit so to prevent that the machines bounce around a little bit, move around a little bit, and that way we don't put any forces on to the structure of the space craft out to the solar rays"

Wow, astronauts are so meticulous. Especially how they keep their junk and tools blocking the airlock.

The problem you have zen is understanding living for months in a small box, you want the junk or
unused stuff out of the way.

3 people alone in this environment for 3 months, that is tough.
But to you as it is all fake, you are just laughing, but the joke is on you, because you have no
real clue what you are dealing with and who you are calling a liar.

It is a terrible witness to the Lord to behave like this, and suggest innocent people are spending
their lives to deceive and distort the truth for some evil purpose.

 

[trofimus]

Not real, sorry.

Because you say so?

 

[PeterJens]

If the sun is 3000 miles away and only 32 miles across then Venus must be what about 2500 miles away and like 600 to 1000 yards across?? VENUS passing across the sun

This is a good example.

Looking into eclipses the size of the shadow of the moon on earth in an eclipse dictates or shows
how big and far away the sun is from the moon etc.

Lecture 9: Eclipses of the Sun & Moon

If the sun and moon are the same size which would be needed for a close earth orbit, when an
eclipse occurs the distance, so the model would have to take this into account.

Being as the sun is the same size as the moon, and much smaller than earth, then all the other
planets would need to be on a similar scale or even smaller.

 

[dcontroversal]

https://maas.museum/observations/20...he-year-as-seen-from-the-southern-hemisphere/

"The yearly back and forth movement of the rising and setting Sun along the eastern and western horizons, respectively, provides a useful calendar of sorts. When the Sun sets furthest to the north it is winter, when it sets due west it is spring or autumn and when it sets at its furthest to the south it is summer."

The sun setting south only occurs in Australian summer.

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Thanks, you are helping me narrow down which flat earth orbit map is correct. prove those pictures taken were in the winter months, and then you might have a point, but if it's in the summer it's flat earth compatible.

So I get this straight......the lines represent the orbit of the sun around the (flat earth) right? Red for summer and then when we are in winter the blue represents the sun's orbit at that time right?

So.......question........If the red line equals a 24 hour day and time span......lets do some math

The red line is roughly 2.5 inches in diameter by a ruler.....so that is our base
The blue line is roughly 4.5 inches in diameter which is roughly 80% bigger

2.5 inches of orbit = a 24 hour day

24 hours X 80% =19.2 hours

24 hours plus 19.2 hours = a day that is 43.2 hours long......

SO.....as the sun drops down south the day must increase in length to account for the greater diameter it must travel to complete it's orbit around the earth which leads us to a day that is nearly 44 hours long.....BY and according to you map...

SO.....does the sun speed up in it's circuit so as to account for the greater distance it must travel to maintain a 24 hour day?

 

[Zen]

I am sorry. Weather satellites and analysis of the surface of the earth are big money.
Street view on google maps. google maps built from space.

Millions of $ are made by this being accurate time specific information.
The whole industry relies on this and pictures from space can be compared to events
on the ground, one to one.

So you saying it is fake is just standing up like a child and having a temper tantrum that
the world is not like you want it or think it is.

Please grow up, and face reality before reality comes and faces you. God bless.

The videos you sent me are fake. I don't know why the Holy Spirit is not revealing it to you. Perhaps it's going to be important in the future, so I accept that you disagree with me for now.

 

[pckts]

So I get this straight......the lines represent the orbit of the sun around the (flat earth) right? Red for summer and then when we are in winter the blue represents the sun's orbit at that time right?

So.......question........If the red line equals a 24 hour day and time span......lets do some math

The red line is roughly 2.5 inches in diameter by a ruler.....so that is our base
The blue line is roughly 4.5 inches in diameter which is roughly 80% bigger

2.5 inches of orbit = a 24 hour day

24 hours X 80% =19.2 hours

24 hours plus 19.2 hours = a day that is 43.2 hours long......

SO.....as the sun drops down south the day must increase in length to account for the greater diameter it must travel to complete it's orbit around the earth which leads us to a day that is nearly 44 hours long.....BY and according to you map...

SO.....does the sun speed up in it's circuit so as to account for the greater distance it must travel to maintain a 24 hour day?

Yes

https://sciencenotes.org/sun-rises-sets-fastest-equinox/

http://earthsky.org/?p=2142

Year's Fastest Sunsets Around Equinox Time

 

[Dino246]

Yes

https://sciencenotes.org/sun-rises-sets-fastest-equinox/

http://earthsky.org/?p=2142

Year's Fastest Sunsets Around Equinox Time

The sunrise and sunset would be perceived as faster at equinox because the equator is traveling faster than the higher latitudes. The rotational velocity is constant, but the actual velocity is different depending on the latitude. In the flat earth hypothesis, the fastest sunrise/sunset would be in southern summer, when the transit of the sun requires the greatest distance. Once again, flat earth fails.

 

[pckts]

The sunrise and sunset would be perceived as faster at equinox because the equator is traveling faster than the higher latitudes. The rotational velocity is constant, but the actual velocity is different depending on the latitude. In the flat earth hypothesis, the fastest sunrise/sunset would be in southern summer, when the transit of the sun requires the greatest distance. Once again, flat earth fails.

You don't understand, the equinox they are referring to is the spring and fall equinox, a calendar event, not a location.

 

[PeterJens]

The videos you sent me are fake. I don't know why the Holy Spirit is not revealing it to you. Perhaps it's going to be important in the future, so I accept that you disagree with me for now.

I do not need the Holy Spirit to tell me this is all true.
A good friend worked with ESA sending satallites into orbit. It was just a job like any other,
so why the mystery. There is no secret in the earth being a globe, but there is a problem
in your head believing a flat earth makes any sense at all.

If you want to hold to a different view the earth is stationary and everything revolves
around it, which is actually a workable frame of reference. So the earth could be at
the centre of the universe, it just does not appear so to us.

Another real issue is dark matter. We know from the speed of rotation of the galaxy, and
the behaviour of the stars there is either a lot of mass that cannot be seen or gravity is
behaving in a non-uniform way. So they invented dark matter to make up for this difference
or the universe is not as consistent as the theories claim. These are truth based issues, that
are worthwhile pursuing, not the flat earth.

 

[pckts]

Another real issue is dark matter. We know from the speed of rotation of the galaxy, and
the behaviour of the stars there is either a lot of mass that cannot be seen or gravity is
behaving in a non-uniform way. So they invented dark matter to make up for this difference
or the universe is not as consistent as the theories claim. These are truth based issues, that
are worthwhile pursuing, not the flat earth.

Dark energy too, they invent a lot to explain the gaps in the model.

 

[trofimus]

Dark energy too, they invent a lot to explain the gaps in the model.

"They...."

Was Albert Einstein a liar?

 

[pckts]

"They...."

Was Albert Einstein a liar?

Yes. And remember I'm a flat earther, so his eclipse calculations are all using a false model according to the theory I subscribe too.

And non flat earthers reject theory of reletivity too.

 

[trofimus]

Yes. And remember I'm a flat earther, so his eclipse calculations are all using a false model according to the theory I subscribe too.

And non flat earthers reject theory of reletivity too.

You must have a very dark life thinking that every scientist in history is willfully lying to you. And hundreds of thousands of various workers in space agencies, armies, pilots, satelites networks, GPS technicians are lying to you too.

Not even mentioning meteo stations etc.

Even Christian astronauts are lying to you about it.

Well... what a world... you are so important and thats why they all care how to cover such thing.

 

[pckts]

You must have a very dark life thinking that every scientist in history is willfully lying to you. And hundreds of thousands of various workers in space agencies, armies, pilots, satelites networks, GPS technicians are lying to you too.

Not even mentioning meteo stations etc.

Even Christian astronauts are lying to you about it.

Well... what a world... you are so important and thats why they all care how to cover such thing.

Christ and The Bible are my light, not scientists and various workers.

 

[Zen]

"They...."

Was Albert Einstein a liar?

Is he immune from being a liar because he has "stein" in his name?