A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.
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Every WORD of GOD spoken in lower and visible signs and representations...every priest, every prophet, every judge, every king were simply shadows and figures pointing us to the higher and hidden spiritual truths and realities found in CHRIST JESUS
It's why THE TESTIMONY of JESUS is THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY
GOD his HIS SON in HIS WORD
It's why THE TESTIMONY of JESUS is THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY
GOD his HIS SON in HIS WORD
As I know this is were things will start to expand into may different topics, I feel it would be wise to take chapter 6 in parts, rather than the whole chapter at once.
Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
The Sons Of God. There are 2 main teachings on this that I will address.
1 The Sons Of God was mistranslated. AS it would seem that the translates seen the word El, and and knowing that it was a Hebrew word for HaShem, thought it was speaking of HaShem, so the translation was made with that in mind.
As we have vary little to go on about Angels, from the word, this is a debate were the truth will never really be known until HaShem Himself gives us the answer. Yet we do have a bit of light from the Word on this, however it seems to not be enough to end this debate.
Lets look at it and see what we can find.
Luk 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
Luk 20:35 “But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
Luk 20:36 “nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
From this passage, one can't not assume much of anything. However as the Angels as seen here, don't have marriage, it would be safe to say that they don't have kids. Why is that? Did HaShem create Angels with out the ability to have kids, or is it that they simply have no wish to?
With all the books out there about Angels, one must wounder, were all those teaching come from. Some claim out side sources, like the Book of Enoch. Others claim divine revelation. Yet not one side will claim their info comes from the Word, why is that? Can it be that this a debate that is more a wast of time, and holds nothing that leads to Salvation. Or may it just be that we were not truly meant to know?
I will place some questions for you all to answer if you think you have the answer to this debate. They are not meant to be seen as hostile or argumentative. Simply some question that come from a vary logical mind, and would need to be answered to convince the one that asked them. No it was not me.
Next we have the side that looks at this from a Hebrew prospective. They say," The word El can be HaShem or a ruling class of peoples. In this case the word El is denoting the rulers of the land at that time. They took what they wanted, and if anyone got in the way, they killed them.
Given that Angels don't have kids, and we really don't why, this would seem the "safe road" to take. Yet their is that bit of the unknown that man likes to fill. I will not enter this debate for amny reasons.
1 I see no point in debating a thing that has no answer.
2 I am not here to push my thoughts, belief's, or understanding on any one.
3 My thoughts on this I know and fully understand are based only on what I find as truth, therefore are subject to error.
4 2Ti 2:14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
The question asked in one study on this are as follows.
1 If Satan can disrupt mans walk with HaShem by infesting the world with his off spring, why has he not done so?
2 Angles always show up in the word as men, so that being as it is, why do HaShem's Angles not bring kids into the world to disrupt the evil?
3 Are Angels really of the male sex, or can it be that they are sexless, and only show as men due to the women being powerless in that time?
I hope you enjoy your debate on this. As it seems to be one that has no real answer's, it does seem pointless. Yet I have seen that a pointless debate on here is the one most preferred. Enjoy
Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
The Sons Of God. There are 2 main teachings on this that I will address.
1 The Sons Of God was mistranslated. AS it would seem that the translates seen the word El, and and knowing that it was a Hebrew word for HaShem, thought it was speaking of HaShem, so the translation was made with that in mind.
As we have vary little to go on about Angels, from the word, this is a debate were the truth will never really be known until HaShem Himself gives us the answer. Yet we do have a bit of light from the Word on this, however it seems to not be enough to end this debate.
Lets look at it and see what we can find.
Luk 20:34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
Luk 20:35 “But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
Luk 20:36 “nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
From this passage, one can't not assume much of anything. However as the Angels as seen here, don't have marriage, it would be safe to say that they don't have kids. Why is that? Did HaShem create Angels with out the ability to have kids, or is it that they simply have no wish to?
With all the books out there about Angels, one must wounder, were all those teaching come from. Some claim out side sources, like the Book of Enoch. Others claim divine revelation. Yet not one side will claim their info comes from the Word, why is that? Can it be that this a debate that is more a wast of time, and holds nothing that leads to Salvation. Or may it just be that we were not truly meant to know?
I will place some questions for you all to answer if you think you have the answer to this debate. They are not meant to be seen as hostile or argumentative. Simply some question that come from a vary logical mind, and would need to be answered to convince the one that asked them. No it was not me.
Next we have the side that looks at this from a Hebrew prospective. They say," The word El can be HaShem or a ruling class of peoples. In this case the word El is denoting the rulers of the land at that time. They took what they wanted, and if anyone got in the way, they killed them.
Given that Angels don't have kids, and we really don't why, this would seem the "safe road" to take. Yet their is that bit of the unknown that man likes to fill. I will not enter this debate for amny reasons.
1 I see no point in debating a thing that has no answer.
2 I am not here to push my thoughts, belief's, or understanding on any one.
3 My thoughts on this I know and fully understand are based only on what I find as truth, therefore are subject to error.
4 2Ti 2:14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
The question asked in one study on this are as follows.
1 If Satan can disrupt mans walk with HaShem by infesting the world with his off spring, why has he not done so?
2 Angles always show up in the word as men, so that being as it is, why do HaShem's Angles not bring kids into the world to disrupt the evil?
3 Are Angels really of the male sex, or can it be that they are sexless, and only show as men due to the women being powerless in that time?
I hope you enjoy your debate on this. As it seems to be one that has no real answer's, it does seem pointless. Yet I have seen that a pointless debate on here is the one most preferred. Enjoy
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We have studied Genesis (up to +-20) in detail examining the Hebrew also. The difficulty with Genesis 6 is that if we don't believe in the fallen angels and the corruption of men's seed we cannot discuss G6. Difficult topic but today as we speak I can see that the world (by way of movies etc) is preparing us for the new corruption of the seeds. People are watching these mutant movies in awe of Satan and his corrupt works. The time is close fellow believers in Christ.
As in the days of Noah comes to mind. Humans are busy corrupting their flesh once again. How you might ask. Well genetic manipulation in unborn babies, and then I will not be surprised if some day in the not so distant future we see "mutated babies".
God does not allow a mixing of seed. If we mix the seed we are lukewarm and He will spit us out. If we mix the seed in the flesh He will destroy the earth, as in the days of Noah. The clues are there, we just need to follow them.
God bless friends
As in the days of Noah comes to mind. Humans are busy corrupting their flesh once again. How you might ask. Well genetic manipulation in unborn babies, and then I will not be surprised if some day in the not so distant future we see "mutated babies".
God does not allow a mixing of seed. If we mix the seed we are lukewarm and He will spit us out. If we mix the seed in the flesh He will destroy the earth, as in the days of Noah. The clues are there, we just need to follow them.
God bless friends
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:11
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:17-18
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:11
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:17-18
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If what you say is true, then are you saying that there is no other way for things to get so bad that HaShem would cleans the earth?
As always I do wish to just point the other side of that. We know that Satan was on the earth working to take down man kind, (So to speak any way) in hopes of one day becoming the object of worship by all man kind. In doing so is it not possible that Man kind gave into the desirous of the flesh? To the same extent as was seen in Sodom, only on a globule scale, as the population of earth would have been relatively small.
Any that would take this stand would of coarse turn to,
Luk 17:26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
Luk 17:27 “They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 “Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
Luk 17:29 “but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
As one can see this does tie the 2 times together somewhat. It also shines a little light on why they follow that both times were based on the same type of actions by man kind. It can be said that they don't remove Satan, rather they acknowledge him in both times. What they don't do, is give to the idea that the sons of god, were the sons of the fallen angels.
Just some food for thought here is all. I can work from both sides in any debate on this, however as I said, I will remain out the debate. I am willing to show both sides, and at no time will you find that I give anything from the way I see this personally. I do have to stop my self though, as at time we all wish to interject our own thoughts.
As always I do wish to just point the other side of that. We know that Satan was on the earth working to take down man kind, (So to speak any way) in hopes of one day becoming the object of worship by all man kind. In doing so is it not possible that Man kind gave into the desirous of the flesh? To the same extent as was seen in Sodom, only on a globule scale, as the population of earth would have been relatively small.
Any that would take this stand would of coarse turn to,
Luk 17:26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
Luk 17:27 “They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 “Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
Luk 17:29 “but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
As one can see this does tie the 2 times together somewhat. It also shines a little light on why they follow that both times were based on the same type of actions by man kind. It can be said that they don't remove Satan, rather they acknowledge him in both times. What they don't do, is give to the idea that the sons of god, were the sons of the fallen angels.
Just some food for thought here is all. I can work from both sides in any debate on this, however as I said, I will remain out the debate. I am willing to show both sides, and at no time will you find that I give anything from the way I see this personally. I do have to stop my self though, as at time we all wish to interject our own thoughts.
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