Tithing

[maverich]

I love you man, but u are so lost in your traditions, that you are blind to the word.

 

[Burninglight]

Matthew 5:18Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:20 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Hi,

Thank you for the discussion we have and I do understand your view. Getting on the subject with whom Paul said to “honor thy father and thy mother…” which is a part of the Ten Commandments written in the Book of Exodus and in Deuteronomy by Moses.

Your implication that Ephesians 6:2-3 is not of the Law rather it is a commandment is farther from the truth. If we let the scriptures speaks on this matter as of the above, we find that Jesus is referring to the commandments as the law.
In John 7:19 Jesus said “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?” Jesus really knows too well of the Ten Commandment “Thou shalt not kill”. In essence, Jesus is saying why kill me, are you not keeping the law? So…this is yet another example from the scriptures that the Ten Commandments is the same/considered as the Law.

Seems you are building your case on the premise of law. You asked me to read Galatians 3, and I say it that this have been read over and over for how many times. Now it’s also my turn to request, please expound Galatian 3. This is your time, this is your space.

Thanks,

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets and through Him we do as well. No one is saying that we shouldn't honor our parents. I don't know why you bring this up. Honoring your parents is part of the ten commandments, but tithing wasn't; that is how I was making a distinction between the two. Honoring your parents is also part of the greatest commandments that are still in force, but tithing is not. It you bind tithing on believers you are causing them to be cut off from Christ. I am not looking to argue with you.

 

[fredoheaven]

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets and through Him we do as well. No one is saying that we shouldn't honor our parents. I don't know why you bring this up. Honoring your parents is part of the ten commandments, but tithing wasn't; that is how I was making a distinction between the two. Honoring your parents is also part of the greatest commandments that are still in force, but tithing is not. It you bind tithing on believers you are causing them to be cut off from Christ. I am not looking to argue with you.

Thank you and the first bolded part is true, it was only incorporated into the Law that is why I am asking where in the NT scriptures does tithing is abolish. Now if you have verses then you might cite and explain it. Galatians 3 is perhaps a focal point where I may have misunderstood and again I am on the request to expound it.. The other bolded part is that seems...I don't know, since I do believe in the security of the believers or is it again that misunderstood you saying "a believer can be cut off from Christ" If you are saying that tithe is not of Ten Commandment which is true then, can one be cut off from Christ?

I hope, I have answered yours, point by point to clarify things using scriptures.

Anyway, thank you and God bless.

 

[Burninglight]

Thank you and the first bolded part is true, it was only incorporated into the Law that is why I am asking where in the NT scriptures does tithing is abolish. Now if you have verses then you might cite and explain it. Galatians 3 is perhaps a focal point where I may have misunderstood and again I am on the request to expound it.. The other bolded part is that seems...I don't know, since I do believe in the security of the believers or is it again that misunderstood you saying "a believer can be cut off from Christ" If you are saying that tithe is not of Ten Commandment which is true then, can one be cut off from Christ?

I hope, I have answered yours, point by point to clarify things using scriptures.

Anyway, thank you and God bless.

Maybe we are having a communication break down. You want to know where tithing had be abolished, because you believe tithing is a law we should follow to be obedient to God; is that correct?

To answer this question (if it is what you're asking) is to say that we know that tithing is not binding to the NT saints, because of our inference of Scripture and and the leading of the Holy Spirit, IOW, it is a spiritual discerned issue or matter that those who are mature in Christ understand. It is not something I can teach you. You have to hear from the Holy Spirit for yourself. All I can do is warn others when someone binds the law on others so that they can seek God for themselves to find the truth of the matter. Moreover, I can turn the question around to you, and ask you where does it say the NT saints are supposed to tithe? The point is it may mean nothing if something is said or not said. What matters is that we are led by the spirit of God.

 

[OldSoldier]

I am a firm believer in it. But I do not judge others about it. I cannot count the times things were desperate for us, and then out of the blue some stroke of luck and we made it through. God said to test Him in this matter. It is our faith that He responds to, and for me anyway, part of that faith is tithing. I believe God has honored His word, at least in my case, regarding tithing. I do not believe you should be forced to do it. And the preacher that says to tithe for a month and God will give it back to you is correct IF he means in so many ways other than money. God is faithful, and we should be as well.

 

[Burninglight]

I am a firm believer in it. But I do not judge others about it. I cannot count the times things were desperate for us, and then out of the blue some stroke of luck and we made it through. God said to test Him in this matter. It is our faith that He responds to, and for me anyway, part of that faith is tithing. I believe God has honored His word, at least in my case, regarding tithing. I do not believe you should be forced to do it. And the preacher that says to tithe for a month and God will give it back to you is correct IF he means in so many ways other than money. God is faithful, and we should be as well.

It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with God's blessing and love for you. I have had many misconceptions about Scripture and God blessed me anyway.

Unfortunately, I have seen this work against believers. I tried to talk a person out of a cult, and when he left, some bad accident befell him and he thought God was dealing with him because he left the cult, and he went back in. The deceiver is tricky. If he can't stop you from being a believer, he'll try to destroy your ministry. God blesses those that give period. We cannot out give God as we pour out He pours in.

Tithing is okay to do, but only as a guide and NOT as a binding law! If you doing it as a binding law for yourself or put it on others, you are on a dangerous slippery slope. And now that you know, God will deal with you about it accordingly.

I don't see a problem with you tithing as long as you don't bind it to others or to yourself as a mandatory work for you salvation.

Blessings

 

[OldSoldier]

It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with God's blessing and love for you. I have had many misconceptions about Scripture and God blessed me anyway.

Unfortunately, I have seen this work against believers. I tried to talk a person out of a cult, and when he left, some bad accident befell him and he thought God was dealing with him because he left the cult, and he went back in. The deceiver is tricky. If he can't stop you from being a believer, he'll try to destroy your ministry. God blesses those that give period. We cannot out give God as we pour out He pours in.

Tithing is okay to do, but only as a guide and NOT as a binding law! If you doing it as a binding law for yourself or put it on others, you are on a dangerous slippery slope. And now that you know, God will deal with you about it accordingly.

I don't see a problem with you tithing as long as you don't bind it to others or to yourself as a mandatory work for you salvation.

Blessings

No worries, I do not feel "bound", it is what I have chosen to do and God has honored it in my case. I do not judge others for not doing it, but I happen to believe that it is what God wants us to do. His church does not run on prayer alone, and missionaries do not live on prayer alone. So I give to God what is Gods in regards to my finances.

 

[Burninglight]

Malachi 3:8 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. The whole nation of Israel. Malachi is written to Jews under the Old Covenant.

That same Pastor I mentioned in my previous post legalistically uses the 10% tithe to brow-beat people in that church with guilt. He even handed out pledge cards for people to fill out so they can pledge to give extra money on a monthly basis over a three year period above and beyond the 10% tithe directly to the "moving forward" project to build a new mega church. More than a few people have left that church because all that Pastor mainly talks about is money (primarily the 10% tithe) and building that new mega church.

During one sermon, he even mentioned that a member of that church came into his office one day somewhat irate and said that he is leaving that church because he is tired of hearing about money all the time and needs to find a church where he can go deeper in the Word. The Pastor mentioned that the word "deeper" is a code word for "I'm not tithing 10%." The Pastor went on to say that he checked the records and sure enough that member of the church was not giving 10% and some months gave nothing at all and then acted like good riddance to him! I was not impressed. Whatever amount of money that you wish to give is between you and God, but we should not turn giving into a legalistic prescription.

The pastor at my church never speaks about tithing and lets others talk about the blessing of giving. the pastor doesn't want to know who gives or who doesn't. he doesn't want to open the door to discriminate against any.

 

[Jimbone]

True...How much of your time to you tithe? Scary thought hey?

Not for all of us, and you seem to have a dog in this fight. Why are you so quick to let everyone know they need to give money? Are you a pastor? Do you think that tithing buys you extra points with God? I give what I can when I can, but I defiantly tithe much more of my time than my money. Does that make you want to beat me over the head with what I should be doing monetarily? Money means nothing to me in life, really never has and is very rarely the center of my attention, you just seem to be making it a much bigger focus that I feel it should be. That's fine if that's how you feel about it, but why feel the need to come try to throw it at all of us as well?

 

[Stephen63]

Of all of Paul's epistles that spoke of receiving offerings for the poor church at Jerusalem, he never asked for tithes..... which, BTW, was what tithes were for: the poor, the stranger, & the Levite.

None of the NT writers asked churches for tithes to help the poor. Not even the Apostles in Acts, when the problems arose with taking care of the gentile widows.

 

[Stephen63]

Of all of Paul's epistles that spoke of receiving offerings for the poor church at Jerusalem, he never asked for tithes..... which, BTW, was what tithes were for: the poor, the stranger, & the Levite.

None of the NT writers asked churches for tithes to help the poor. Not even the Apostles in Acts, when the problems arose with taking care of the gentile widows.

The "storehouse" of Malachi isn't mentioned, either.

 

[Burninglight]

The pastor at my church never speaks about tithing and lets others talk about the blessing of giving. the pastor doesn't want to know who gives or who doesn't. he doesn't want to open the door to discriminate against any.

I am responding to my own post because there may appear to be a contradiction. the reason is because I am a member of two churches. One church preaches tithing and the other doesn't.

 

[Burninglight]

Umm...okay

You shouldn't just quote part of what I said, because it is dishonest to take me out of context, and I don't understand your comment. It is not contributing anything to this thread.

 

[Burninglight]

No worries, I do not feel "bound", it is what I have chosen to do and God has honored it in my case. I do not judge others for not doing it, but I happen to believe that it is what God wants us to do. His church does not run on prayer alone, and missionaries do not live on prayer alone. So I give to God what is Gods in regards to my finances.

In that case I don't see any problem with it.
May God continue to bless you for it.

 

[DJ2]

No worries, I do not feel "bound", it is what I have chosen to do and God has honored it in my case. I do not judge others for not doing it, but I happen to believe that it is what God wants us to do. His church does not run on prayer alone, and missionaries do not live on prayer alone. So I give to God what is Gods in regards to my finances.

No one can be bound to tithe today, because it is impossible to tithe today. Without a priestly class to give the money to, it would not be by definition a biblical tithe. Yes it may be 10% but the Mosaic understanding of "tithe" would not apply. Better to call it an offering of 10% then the binding of 10%.

 

[88]

A good approach to tithing is we get to tithe, not we have to tithe***anybody I know that has commited to tithing has a blessed testimony***but on the other hand many people struggling financially are not tithers and feel free to give as the Lord leads them; the only problem is many people do not yield to the Lord's guidance on giving and end up jammed up financially...

 

[88]

https://youtu.be/i1gLImpFtwE ***Dr. Michael Brown talks about tithing...

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

https://youtu.be/i1gLImpFtwE ***Dr. Michael Brown talks about tithing...

Dr Brown is one of my favorite Bible teachers.

On this one, though, he is wrong.

He mentioned first fruits early in this video and unfortunately confused them with tithes. Tithes and first fruits are not the same.

Abram didn't give tithes on occupational work. He was at war! Abram didn't give a tenth of the spoils he got from winning a war - he gave all. He kept nothing.

None of the N.T. Scriptures he referenced were about tithing. They were about giving.

Dr Brown is a great guy, but botched this one bad.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Hmm, you are taking about Calvary, so the connection is ‘salvation’! Not a verse/passage about tithing or to refute tithing.

The ‘temple’,as a ‘storehouse. The first ‘Temple’ was built by Solomon but it is not the very first place where to lay tithe. Not a good way to refute tithe.

“Let’s say it didn’t happen. It did!. “is yet to happen” really don’t bite the idea because...

“Calvary covers it all,
My past with its sin and stain;
My guilt and despair
Jesus took on Him there,
And Calvary covers it all”

The OT was of course written for our exhortations, lessons, encouragement, indeed for our learning.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

God bless.

Hmm, you are taking about Calvary, so the connection is ‘salvation’! Not a verse/passage about tithing or to refute tithing. So, in your world, salvation doesn't do away with any of the Mosaic Law?

If a law is mentioned in the O.T. and not specifically mentioned and abolished in the N.T., do you still obligate yourself to it?

 

[Meggido]

A good approach to tithing is we get to tithe, not we have to tithe***anybody I know that has commited to tithing has a blessed testimony***but on the other hand many people struggling financially are not tithers and feel free to give as the Lord leads them; the only problem is many people do not yield to the Lord's guidance on giving and end up jammed up financially...

This is nothing but Word of Faith/prosperity gospel poppy cock condemnation to keep their Laodicean pockets filled.. I have never, ever witnessed finances suffer or improve based on how and what a person gives....The lie about constant material wealth received from giving or taken away by not giving is a lie from hell....

Look at the ministers of this false gospel spreading these lies and their lifestyles....then compare their followers and their lifestyles....