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It's called Calvary. It's called there is no temple.
However, let's set Calvary aside...let's say it didn't happen or is yet to happen.
What do your tithes consist of?
Are you giving three types of tithes?
Or, do you want to be like Abram, before the Mosaic law? Are you going to war so you'll have war spoils? Remember, you keep nothing.
However, let's set Calvary aside...let's say it didn't happen or is yet to happen.
What do your tithes consist of?
Are you giving three types of tithes?
Or, do you want to be like Abram, before the Mosaic law? Are you going to war so you'll have war spoils? Remember, you keep nothing.
Hmm, you are taking about Calvary, so the connection is ‘salvation’! Not a verse/passage about tithing or to refute tithing.
The ‘temple’,as a ‘storehouse. The first ‘Temple’ was built by Solomon but it is not the very first place where to lay tithe. Not a good way to refute tithe.
“Let’s say it didn’t happen. It did!. “is yet to happen” really don’t bite the idea because...
“Calvary covers it all,
My past with its sin and stain;
My guilt and despair
Jesus took on Him there,
And Calvary covers it all”
The OT was of course written for our exhortations, lessons, encouragement, indeed for our learning.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
God bless.
The ‘temple’,as a ‘storehouse. The first ‘Temple’ was built by Solomon but it is not the very first place where to lay tithe. Not a good way to refute tithe.
“Let’s say it didn’t happen. It did!. “is yet to happen” really don’t bite the idea because...
“Calvary covers it all,
My past with its sin and stain;
My guilt and despair
Jesus took on Him there,
And Calvary covers it all”
The OT was of course written for our exhortations, lessons, encouragement, indeed for our learning.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
God bless.
B
Yes, I agree.
True, and I like sharpening irons with you.
That is true with the widow and her mite, but God allowed her to do it. However, it was not to show the starving widow gave more when asked to feed the prophet first.
When the poor give they lend to the Lord. They can never out give God. I say don't rob the poor of their blessing
This is what you should have said in the first place.
I agree 100%....... you got it.
True, and I like sharpening irons with you.
That is true with the widow and her mite, but God allowed her to do it. However, it was not to show the starving widow gave more when asked to feed the prophet first.
When the poor give they lend to the Lord. They can never out give God. I say don't rob the poor of their blessing
This is what you should have said in the first place.
I agree 100%....... you got it.
Passing the plate condemns or puffs up, which is why we do not pass around anything...
We have 12 baskets in the back, each labeled with where the money is going...3 of the baskets are reserved for giving into congregation voted improvements to the house. For example, we need new carpet, then our trustee board chairman will let the congregation know of the need and put it to vote.
We also highly encourage our folks to give to materially[food, clothes, etc] and financially to each other as the Spirit Leads.
We have seen medicals bills get paid in full, people given cars, school supplies and school clothes paid for, etc....
All done decently and in order and not with any form of personal pride....this is because we never ask who did what for who...and do not do me-a-monies from who gave and who received.
We have 12 baskets in the back, each labeled with where the money is going...3 of the baskets are reserved for giving into congregation voted improvements to the house. For example, we need new carpet, then our trustee board chairman will let the congregation know of the need and put it to vote.
We also highly encourage our folks to give to materially[food, clothes, etc] and financially to each other as the Spirit Leads.
We have seen medicals bills get paid in full, people given cars, school supplies and school clothes paid for, etc....
All done decently and in order and not with any form of personal pride....this is because we never ask who did what for who...and do not do me-a-monies from who gave and who received.
Hi,
Thank you for the response but few things is to be observed:
1. Yet, you still not answered my question. You answered my question with another question. This is either dodging it or you cannot found it. Is it because that one couldn't find it that is no longer true or valid? Paul never mentions anything about hell or wrote in his epistles that he preached “hell”, this does mean that “hell” is no longer true? I believe, it is no longer to be true unless one don’t believe that there's really a "hell".
2. You asked what is obvious. We know that, the Apostles and the early disciples were Jewish Temple worshipers and even Apostle Paul before his conversion that he studied under the feet of Gamaliel, so that they were already familiar concerning temple worship including tithing. In Matthew 23:1 Jesus teaches the multitudes including his disciples many things as the whole chapter says which includes “tithing” that they have to continue doing it but not to leave the other’s undone. So it’s imperative that Christ says we do it. We may not follow exactly what the OT law of tithing but the principle is taught in the NT scriptures. Those who minister about holy things must live of the temple. Because the Levites have no land inheritance, they have to live according what is being given in the temple. Even so, as the Apostle stated them who preach the gospel must live also by the gospel. 1 Cor. 9:13-15. Interestingly, the unknown writer of the Book of Hebrews, possibly Paul mentions the paying of tithe of Abraham.
3. Well, are we not asking amiss? You said “Where is there tithe mandated after the death and resurrection of Christ in the NT?” You said “after” so “before” it was mandated and after his resurrection then is no more. Now going to your “after”, we know that Jesus preach the kingdom of God before he was crucified, died and resurrected (gospel message), yet we found that in the book of Acts that after his resurrection and before his ascension, that Jesus give infallible proofs regarding his resurrection yet still speak of the kingdom of God( Acts 1:3) and what does this mean? Christ is still preaching “the kingdom of God”. So the argument of “after” does not nullify the truth that it did not really abolish the principle of tithing. Christ did not destroy the law rather, He fulfilled the law. Same thing with the preaching of Jesus about hell that before and after, hell is still hell.
God bless
Thank you for the response but few things is to be observed:
1. Yet, you still not answered my question. You answered my question with another question. This is either dodging it or you cannot found it. Is it because that one couldn't find it that is no longer true or valid? Paul never mentions anything about hell or wrote in his epistles that he preached “hell”, this does mean that “hell” is no longer true? I believe, it is no longer to be true unless one don’t believe that there's really a "hell".
2. You asked what is obvious. We know that, the Apostles and the early disciples were Jewish Temple worshipers and even Apostle Paul before his conversion that he studied under the feet of Gamaliel, so that they were already familiar concerning temple worship including tithing. In Matthew 23:1 Jesus teaches the multitudes including his disciples many things as the whole chapter says which includes “tithing” that they have to continue doing it but not to leave the other’s undone. So it’s imperative that Christ says we do it. We may not follow exactly what the OT law of tithing but the principle is taught in the NT scriptures. Those who minister about holy things must live of the temple. Because the Levites have no land inheritance, they have to live according what is being given in the temple. Even so, as the Apostle stated them who preach the gospel must live also by the gospel. 1 Cor. 9:13-15. Interestingly, the unknown writer of the Book of Hebrews, possibly Paul mentions the paying of tithe of Abraham.
3. Well, are we not asking amiss? You said “Where is there tithe mandated after the death and resurrection of Christ in the NT?” You said “after” so “before” it was mandated and after his resurrection then is no more. Now going to your “after”, we know that Jesus preach the kingdom of God before he was crucified, died and resurrected (gospel message), yet we found that in the book of Acts that after his resurrection and before his ascension, that Jesus give infallible proofs regarding his resurrection yet still speak of the kingdom of God( Acts 1:3) and what does this mean? Christ is still preaching “the kingdom of God”. So the argument of “after” does not nullify the truth that it did not really abolish the principle of tithing. Christ did not destroy the law rather, He fulfilled the law. Same thing with the preaching of Jesus about hell that before and after, hell is still hell.
God bless
A number of NT Scriptures agrees/connect to the principle of ‘tithing’. If we let the scriptures speaks, we can say tithing is carried over the N.T. saints. Even Paul says something of “lay by him in store” that connects an OT teaching of “storehouse tithing”. You see, Paul had to “order” the Corinthians. He give an authoritative command. "Lay by him in store" as the Apostle states signifies "treasury" 1 Corinthians 16:2
A Dictionary of the English Language by Samuel Johnson, 1755 that “to lay by” is to reserve for some future time. Likewise, Noah Webster of 1828 has the meaning “To reserve for future use”
Interestingly, the object is to get the collection given every week until Paul will meet the Corinthian church and gather all the monies for charitable purposes. Yet what I am trying to signify is the connecting link of the “store” to a”tithing “as found in the OT. So that there is a treasury to be found and that is the local church.
The writer of the book of the Hebrews mentions Abraham as an example of living by faith with the “tenth part” principle of the OT. The truth is “Abram” lived by faith and part of his living by faith was to “tithe”. God never command Abraham yet he does it. Abraham did it by faith.
God bless.
A Dictionary of the English Language by Samuel Johnson, 1755 that “to lay by” is to reserve for some future time. Likewise, Noah Webster of 1828 has the meaning “To reserve for future use”
Interestingly, the object is to get the collection given every week until Paul will meet the Corinthian church and gather all the monies for charitable purposes. Yet what I am trying to signify is the connecting link of the “store” to a”tithing “as found in the OT. So that there is a treasury to be found and that is the local church.
The writer of the book of the Hebrews mentions Abraham as an example of living by faith with the “tenth part” principle of the OT. The truth is “Abram” lived by faith and part of his living by faith was to “tithe”. God never command Abraham yet he does it. Abraham did it by faith.
God bless.