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I never said I was the Bible
Why do you always make such absurd remarks?
The catholic doctrine is man made and not in line with the Bible.
About Jesus, John and Paul being better teachers than married men, I would never disagree or dispute it. You shouldn't even be bringing this up. No person on earth can be better than "The Teacher" himself. Also, it would be very difficult for any man on earth (married or unmarried) to be better a better teacher than John or Paul. I never said this. You can't compare Jesus and the original apostles to any leader after them. I never said that a church leader is a substitute for Jesus, John or Paul, the way the Pope is said to be a substitute (vicar) for Jesus.
So you do not believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority, do you? Also, I never said that unmarried men are disqualified from becoming elders. It's just that the verses talking about appointing elders, specifically talk about how married men who wish to be elders must conduct themselves. Even if I said, Paul preferred to appoint married men, I did not say paul disqualified unmarried men from becoming elders. BTW, married elders have an advantage over unmarried ones (and I don't say that they are better). They have personal experience in marriage related issues and in raising children and managing families.
It's strange that after all the time i have spent discussing various issues,and after all the bible verses I have shown you, you still say I'm avoiding your questions.
I asked you to show me where in the Bible are men forbidden to marry, and you say that this has nothing to do with anything. Strange! It has a lot to do with the false catholic doctrine that forbids men to marry. if it is not in the Bible, it should not be done, especially when it leads to sin and violates ones conscience.
Wouldn't it rather be better to interpret the Bible based on its context. Your common sense is nothing before the wisdom of God.
t No common sense required here. Paul never disqualified unmarried men from becoming elders. The Bible is clear.
Mt 19:12 has nothing to do with wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is the result of a carnal mind that is not focused on the things of God.
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At least I'm sure of this, that Paul did not forbid men from marrying.
I told you earlier that I'm aware of what Paul has said. The point I'm making is that Paul never forbade men from getting married. Why does the Catolic church forbid men from getting married. Such a doctrine is not from God, but from the Devil. Paul knew that in advance.
Preferring married men as elders does not mean that unmarried men cannot become elders. Please stop dragging the Lord and the apostles into this.
Why do you always make such absurd remarks?
The catholic doctrine is man made and not in line with the Bible.
About Jesus, John and Paul being better teachers than married men, I would never disagree or dispute it. You shouldn't even be bringing this up. No person on earth can be better than "The Teacher" himself. Also, it would be very difficult for any man on earth (married or unmarried) to be better a better teacher than John or Paul. I never said this. You can't compare Jesus and the original apostles to any leader after them. I never said that a church leader is a substitute for Jesus, John or Paul, the way the Pope is said to be a substitute (vicar) for Jesus.
So you do not believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority, do you? Also, I never said that unmarried men are disqualified from becoming elders. It's just that the verses talking about appointing elders, specifically talk about how married men who wish to be elders must conduct themselves. Even if I said, Paul preferred to appoint married men, I did not say paul disqualified unmarried men from becoming elders. BTW, married elders have an advantage over unmarried ones (and I don't say that they are better). They have personal experience in marriage related issues and in raising children and managing families.
It's strange that after all the time i have spent discussing various issues,and after all the bible verses I have shown you, you still say I'm avoiding your questions.
I asked you to show me where in the Bible are men forbidden to marry, and you say that this has nothing to do with anything. Strange! It has a lot to do with the false catholic doctrine that forbids men to marry. if it is not in the Bible, it should not be done, especially when it leads to sin and violates ones conscience.
Wouldn't it rather be better to interpret the Bible based on its context. Your common sense is nothing before the wisdom of God.
t No common sense required here. Paul never disqualified unmarried men from becoming elders. The Bible is clear.
Mt 19:12 has nothing to do with wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is the result of a carnal mind that is not focused on the things of God.
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At least I'm sure of this, that Paul did not forbid men from marrying.
I told you earlier that I'm aware of what Paul has said. The point I'm making is that Paul never forbade men from getting married. Why does the Catolic church forbid men from getting married. Such a doctrine is not from God, but from the Devil. Paul knew that in advance.
Preferring married men as elders does not mean that unmarried men cannot become elders. Please stop dragging the Lord and the apostles into this.
My love story with God began when I was a Catholic. It is the catholic church that taught me the 10 commandments. The catholic church taught me to love my parents. I have beautiful memories of my catholic childhood. However the catholic church also taught me to pray and worship and venerate Mary. The catholic church taught me to bow down and kiss her feet. The catholic church taught me to say novenas. The catholic church taught me to say one Our Father, but ten Hail Marys. The emphasis on Mary was more than that on Christ. The Catholic church taught me to pray to saints and pray to statues.
The catholic church taught me to light candles and lamps. There is a church that is known for Novenas of "Our Lady of Perpetual Succour" People from all over the city and also from neighbouring cities come for the novenas. It is believed that if one attends 9 novenas in a row, "Our Lady" would grant them any wish. I have accompanied my mom for 9 such novenas. Outside the church are innumerable stalls selling candles and even replicas of human body parts made of wax. You will find wax hands, legs, feet, eyes, breasts, ears, noses, etc being sold at these stalls. It is believed that if one is unwell because of, say, their eyes, they must purchase the wax eyes and put it the box assigned for it in the church. Even as a catholic, I found this to be strange. Once I began to read the bible, it became clear that the catholic ways of intercession and worship are not biblical.
My bible tells me that personal sin is serious. It is so serious that Jesus had to die for the sins of the world. The catholic church never addressed the personal sin of the congregation. It never showed me how bad my sin was and never encouraged me to repent.
The catholic youth group that I was a part of had boys and girls who were nice and cool. However, no one displayed Christlike qualities. The youth leader himself used swear words. Many youth smoked and talked lewdly about women. Their focus was on women rather than Christ. i saw a lot of hypocrisy. There was no arrangement to train young men and women to be holy.
After every mass, the parish priest would stand in a corner and smoke cigarette after cigarette. He had no knowledge of what's right and wrong. He did not care about the image he was portraying.
I once was having tea with the parish priest and a "brother"(one who was being trained to be a priest). He was being taught theology and other things to prepare him for priesthood. I asked him what his views about Christ were. He said, "Christ is OK. At the moment people believe in him, but 50 years from now, no one will believe in Christ. There will be just one religion: Humanity." I got the shock of my life! And the parish priest was there listening to all the garbage, and said nothing.
All this is just the tip of the iceberg. I wish I had time to write more.
Yes, if it is simple and pure. Not if it promotes man-made traditons and doctrines that put you under the wrath of God.
The catholic church taught me to light candles and lamps. There is a church that is known for Novenas of "Our Lady of Perpetual Succour" People from all over the city and also from neighbouring cities come for the novenas. It is believed that if one attends 9 novenas in a row, "Our Lady" would grant them any wish. I have accompanied my mom for 9 such novenas. Outside the church are innumerable stalls selling candles and even replicas of human body parts made of wax. You will find wax hands, legs, feet, eyes, breasts, ears, noses, etc being sold at these stalls. It is believed that if one is unwell because of, say, their eyes, they must purchase the wax eyes and put it the box assigned for it in the church. Even as a catholic, I found this to be strange. Once I began to read the bible, it became clear that the catholic ways of intercession and worship are not biblical.
My bible tells me that personal sin is serious. It is so serious that Jesus had to die for the sins of the world. The catholic church never addressed the personal sin of the congregation. It never showed me how bad my sin was and never encouraged me to repent.
The catholic youth group that I was a part of had boys and girls who were nice and cool. However, no one displayed Christlike qualities. The youth leader himself used swear words. Many youth smoked and talked lewdly about women. Their focus was on women rather than Christ. i saw a lot of hypocrisy. There was no arrangement to train young men and women to be holy.
After every mass, the parish priest would stand in a corner and smoke cigarette after cigarette. He had no knowledge of what's right and wrong. He did not care about the image he was portraying.
I once was having tea with the parish priest and a "brother"(one who was being trained to be a priest). He was being taught theology and other things to prepare him for priesthood. I asked him what his views about Christ were. He said, "Christ is OK. At the moment people believe in him, but 50 years from now, no one will believe in Christ. There will be just one religion: Humanity." I got the shock of my life! And the parish priest was there listening to all the garbage, and said nothing.
All this is just the tip of the iceberg. I wish I had time to write more.
Yes, if it is simple and pure. Not if it promotes man-made traditons and doctrines that put you under the wrath of God.
I was taught to worship Mary. Isn't bowing down,
kissing the statue, singing praise and adoration, expressing reverence and adoration called worship? Doesn't all praise and adoration and glory belong to Jesus?
Are you sure?
It is the responsibility of the church leader to preach, teach, correct, rebuke and encourage. The church leader must strive hard to see that the congregation does not follow false doctrines.
I fully agree. This is because: 1. Many become priests for wrong motives. They have their eyes set on the perks involved. I personally have come across such priests. 2. The priests are well trained how to say the mass, and organize events, but they are not trained how to take care of the needs of the congregation. 3. The priests are not personally involved with the congregation.
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Why not! " Are we saying that Mary was a Virgin forever?The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ' But Mary is the Mother of Jesus, right. Not the mother of God. She is the child of God. Why does the Catholic church adopt such contradictory titles?,' How can Mary protect us? Is she omnipresent and omnipotent?. . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The man made terminology again dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as Isn't Jesus an epitome of the whole Gospel? " Isn't our devotion supposed to be to Jesus?
970 Offcourse it definitely obscures the mediation of Christ. Asking Mary to mediate means that Christ's mediation is not enough or that he is not willing to mediate that we have to ask his mother to intercede. but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it." "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."[/QUOTE]
kissing the statue, singing praise and adoration, expressing reverence and adoration called worship? Doesn't all praise and adoration and glory belong to Jesus?
Are you sure?
It is the responsibility of the church leader to preach, teach, correct, rebuke and encourage. The church leader must strive hard to see that the congregation does not follow false doctrines.
I fully agree. This is because: 1. Many become priests for wrong motives. They have their eyes set on the perks involved. I personally have come across such priests. 2. The priests are well trained how to say the mass, and organize events, but they are not trained how to take care of the needs of the congregation. 3. The priests are not personally involved with the congregation.
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Why not! " Are we saying that Mary was a Virgin forever?The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ' But Mary is the Mother of Jesus, right. Not the mother of God. She is the child of God. Why does the Catholic church adopt such contradictory titles?,' How can Mary protect us? Is she omnipresent and omnipotent?. . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The man made terminology again dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as Isn't Jesus an epitome of the whole Gospel? " Isn't our devotion supposed to be to Jesus?
970 Offcourse it definitely obscures the mediation of Christ. Asking Mary to mediate means that Christ's mediation is not enough or that he is not willing to mediate that we have to ask his mother to intercede. but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it." "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."[/QUOTE]
Jackson, you contradict yourself.
Look up the definition for contradict, it has your name written all over it.
You are on a mission to convince yourself through others that catholicism is the enemy.
What demon gave you that message?
I came out of the catholic church.
Others here have come out of the catholic church.
My wife got saved in the catholic church before she met me.
You don't have all the answers.
You should be asking questions rather than try to tell us what is right and wrong.
Look up the definition for contradict, it has your name written all over it.
You are on a mission to convince yourself through others that catholicism is the enemy.
What demon gave you that message?
I came out of the catholic church.
Others here have come out of the catholic church.
My wife got saved in the catholic church before she met me.
You don't have all the answers.
You should be asking questions rather than try to tell us what is right and wrong.
Aren't the words hell and salvation in the Bible? I don't understand what postitional and limited atonement is. Sounds like false doctrine to me.
I don't mind the word sacrament, but the sacraments must be biblical. The words are OK, but the concepts are not biblical.
The first sacrament- baptism is in the Bible, but the catholic church has totally changed what baptism is. Nowhere in the bible will you find a child being baptized. Parents cannot make decisions for a child. The child has to make the decision to follow Jesus when he grows up.
The second sacrament- eucharist or first holy communion is not biblical either. Nowhere in the Bible has anyone "received Christ" as a child.
The third sacrament- confirmation is also not biblical. Nowhere in the Bible do we see a teenager being confirmed into the church and receiving the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is received at baptism.
All these are man-made checkpoints.
I don't mind the word sacrament, but the sacraments must be biblical. The words are OK, but the concepts are not biblical.
The first sacrament- baptism is in the Bible, but the catholic church has totally changed what baptism is. Nowhere in the bible will you find a child being baptized. Parents cannot make decisions for a child. The child has to make the decision to follow Jesus when he grows up.
The second sacrament- eucharist or first holy communion is not biblical either. Nowhere in the Bible has anyone "received Christ" as a child.
The third sacrament- confirmation is also not biblical. Nowhere in the Bible do we see a teenager being confirmed into the church and receiving the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is received at baptism.
All these are man-made checkpoints.
In india, kids receive First Holy Communion at the age of 9. At this age how much can we expect them to understand about God, especially since they lack any training in the Word of God and the ways of God. Apart from the 10 commandments, they do not know much.
Yes, kids enjoy their First Holy Communion, but whether they enjoy the fact that they have received Jesus or they enjoy the lavish celebration remains to be seen.
In India, FHC is celebrated lavishly. People spend their life's savings on it. Some of them take a loan, because they want to match up with the neighbour's celebration.
The communion celebration is just like a wedding celebration, complete with a march(exactly like a wedding march), throwing of confetti, raising the toast, cutting of a three tier cake,popping of the champagne bottle, releasing confetti from the centrepiece, the first dance, compere, blasting music, dance, buffet meal, alcohol, photo sessions, videography and photography, etc.
Some parents spend the remaining few years paying back the debt.
I wonder what Jesus would think about all this.
I don't mean to be negative, but I will wholeheartedly support the first communion sacrament if someone shows me where receiving Jesus by a child is mentioned in the Bible
Yes, kids enjoy their First Holy Communion, but whether they enjoy the fact that they have received Jesus or they enjoy the lavish celebration remains to be seen.
In India, FHC is celebrated lavishly. People spend their life's savings on it. Some of them take a loan, because they want to match up with the neighbour's celebration.
The communion celebration is just like a wedding celebration, complete with a march(exactly like a wedding march), throwing of confetti, raising the toast, cutting of a three tier cake,popping of the champagne bottle, releasing confetti from the centrepiece, the first dance, compere, blasting music, dance, buffet meal, alcohol, photo sessions, videography and photography, etc.
Some parents spend the remaining few years paying back the debt.
I wonder what Jesus would think about all this.
I don't mean to be negative, but I will wholeheartedly support the first communion sacrament if someone shows me where receiving Jesus by a child is mentioned in the Bible
Brother Allen.
A Lot of Christian including my brother and my wife believe catholic is Christian.
one time my wife sent money to her catholic friend that was work fo catholic organisation for helping
tsunami in Aceh.
not only catholic need education, Christian aswell.
i do not think Christian need education about satanism
they know It is bad
but some Christian do not know about catholic
A Lot of Christian including my brother and my wife believe catholic is Christian.
one time my wife sent money to her catholic friend that was work fo catholic organisation for helping
tsunami in Aceh.
not only catholic need education, Christian aswell.
i do not think Christian need education about satanism
they know It is bad
but some Christian do not know about catholic