Catholic believe pope is infallible

FranC · Jul 5, 2017

Too many persons in other cultures live their Christianity in very odd ways.
You do well to warn her that she is making a mistake.
Doesn't her priest tell her this is wrong?
Maybe he tells her and she doesn't listen?

You should tell her to love Jesus first.
After she starts to pray to Jesus, she will not pray to Mary anymore.

Jackson123 · Jul 5, 2017

FranC said:

Jackson,

I'm sorry I don't have enough time to devote to this.

I'm attaching a link for Lumen Gentium, which was written by Pope John Paul, ex-Cathedra (as Pope) for anyone who may be really interested in what you say.

It has been believed that the God of Christianity, the Jewish religion and Islam, is the same God --- the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.

Lumen Gentium only says that SOME outside of Christianity MAY BE SAVED, based on some conditions.
I do agree with this.

I'm not sure if you're asking if Muslims could be saved. If they are following their religion, I don't see how this could be possible since it is not a religion of peace.

IF they are following some aspects of their religion (as some Catholics do) and rcognize the one true God of love and mercy, then yes, I believe they could be saved.

This is for God to know and I DO NOT like to speak of salvation of soul's --- my remarks here are very general.

I'll post this and also the link to the above. It's not as simple as you make it out to be...

We will designate the above three sentences of LG 16 as LG 16b.
The Council here is teaching that under certain very specific conditions salvation is
possible for non-Christians. What are these conditions?
That non-Christians be not culpable for their ignorance of the Gospel.
That non-Christians seek God with a sincere heart.
That non-Christians try to live their life in conformity with what they know of God‘s will.
This is commonly spoken of as following the natural law or the light of conscience. It is
important to note, as the Council does, in order to avoid a Pelagian interpretation, that this is
possible only because people are ―moved by grace.‖
That non-Christians welcome or receive whatever ―good or truth‖ they live amidst—
referring possibly to elements of their non-Christian religions or cultures which may refract to
some degree that light that enlightens every man ( Jn 1:9). These positive elements are intended
to be ―preparation for the Gospel.‖ One could understand this to mean either a preparation for the
actual hearing of the Gospel or preparation for, perhaps, some communication of God by interior
illumination.
There is a very important doctrinal clarification contained in the footnote in this section
that references the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston8
, which, issued in 1949,
gave an important ruling on Fr. Leonard Feeney‘s strict interpretation of the theological axiom
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

This site will be helpful and also one could read Lumen Gentium on line.
https://www.renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/lumen_gentium_16_fcs.pdf

to say islam worship Abraham God is Lie and heresy. Abram God teach Jesus is God. Muslim God teach Jesus is only prophet.

it is more danger than Anton levy. Anton admit worship devil. But catholic disguising devil' teaching AS a God teaching
This is more cuning

FranC · Jul 5, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

You could disagree with me.

But do you realize that you live in a country that is not teaching what is taught in other Catholic countries??

What you describe above if very odd and is NOT ACCEPTED by the magesterium of the Catholic Church.
The priest should not be encouraging this.

The Church is trying to not take away the old cultures of people who were not christian before.
I DO NOT agree with this.

The truth cannot live side by side with un-truth.

Jackson123 · Jul 5, 2017

FranC said:

i do not know If her priest agree or not. But She is not the only one. My other friend in online discussion Said he HET help a Lot from Mary.
I am agree to love fellow human, It is the Will of God.

That why I keep telling that catholic is not Christian. For I do not believe catholic teach pure Bible.

you may dis agree with calvinist. But I believe calvin honest and not intend to mislead.

if there is a mistake in his interpretation. I believe It was not intentional

but I believe catholic intentionaly mislead

example, sale indulgence, They know It is wrong, for money, they make this papabull. muslim is in the plan of salvation
I believe it is preparation for one world religion

onlinebuddy · Jul 5, 2017

FranC said:

Maybe the tradition of circulating the statue of Mary does not exist in other parts of the world, but Mary worship exists, doesn't it?

Jackson123 · Jul 5, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

https://youtu.be/sK0UxZBI_zQ

in Indonesia some catholic pray to mary infront of the statue in tha cabe

onlinebuddy · Jul 5, 2017

FranC said:

Firstly, why coin extra -biblical terminology such as the words "sacrament" or "first holy communion?" Both these terms do not have biblical foundation.

Also, the Catholic view of grace is incorrect.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.(Ephesians 2:8-9)
What is grace? Is it a commodity that would be dispensed as a result of man's observing a particular sacrament(works)?
What is special grace? Please explain. Where does the bible talk of special grace given as a result of some action?

As a result of what does one get grace? When God sees faith in that person.

When does one get grace? As and when God decides to give it; not when man performs a particular ritual.

Do sacraments enforce belief? Not always.
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
Faith/ belief comes from hearing the word of God. Wouldn't it be better for the Catholic church to rather encourage people to read the bible more? BTW, Catholics do not know their bibles. They do not even believe that it's the ultimate Word of God. Therefore they pick and choose whatever pleases them. However, the dogmas made by the magisterium becomes the ultimate law.

About observing special occasions, it does not always serve the purpose of bringing people closer to God. Yes, as you mentioned, these give people special memories. But most "sacraments" are just lavish celebrations where the purpose is often forgotten.
10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.(Gal 4:10-11)
Paul was upset at the Galatians because observing special days took them back to their pagan roots. Most catholic feasts have names and traditions derived from paganism.
Special days are always welcome, but not if they are not in line with the Bible.

Repentance is one occasion when there is a celebration not only on earth, but in heaven (Luke 15:7). Repentance for a catholic has been reduced to a ritual of confessing to a priest, and doing penance by saying one Our Father and three Hail Marys. There is no change of heart.

Without a priest, a catholic seems helpless. Without a priest's endorsement, your efforts are not legal.

onlinebuddy · Jul 5, 2017

Jackson123 said:

Happens all around the world!!! It's not at all difficult to identify Mary worship. Why then do catholics rationalize and not admit that they worship Mary despite doing it?

oldethennew · Jul 5, 2017

satan deceives the whole world' - and God does send 'great delusion' to those
who continue in wickedness'...

we certainly do not believe that ALL who attend the catholic church cannot
be called-out and enlightened by God and be set free from that particular
brand of 'bondage'...

oh yes, we very well know that that particular brand of 'false-religion' is no more
that an organization for pedophiles and of course are one of the greatest
money-monger-hoarders in this wicked world that we live in...

they are the supreme 'relocaters' instead of 'excommunicators'...

onlinebuddy · Jul 5, 2017

FranC said:

I am a bit confused why you advocate the catholic ideology despite not being a catholic.
Regarding the Pope being the head of the Church, this is against the Bible.
The church has only one head and that is JESUS. Therefore it is wrong to call the Pope the head.
Yes, it is absolutely biblical for a church to have a leader in the form of an elder or an overseer or a deacon, etc

A church leader must:
-be humble with a servant's attitude
-preferably be married with god-loving children (the bible says this more than once)
-point people to the Word of God, not to man-made dogmas or traditions
-teach sound doctrine that is in line with the Bible.

A person cannot be a church leader if:
-he considers himself infallible under any circumstance
-he forbids anyone to marry
-if he makes anti-biblical or extra-biblical dogmas and traditions that nullify the Word of God
-he allows anyone to bow down before him
-he allows anyone to call himself "father" or "Holy Father"

About giving importance to a leader, the bible tells us to give "double honour" to our leaders (it's in the Bible). However, we must not bow down before them and kiss their hands and exalt them to a pedestal, the way catholics treat the pope.

Yes, Pope Francis seems to be very humble. However who is he to declare a particular year as the "Jubilee Year of Mercy" or invent concepts such as "Holy Door" etc? If he is humbie, why does he allow people to call him "Holy Father?" Why can't he do his job of pointing people to Jesus? Why does he allow the assembly of cardinals to bow down before him? Why does he call Mary the Mother of God?

Jackson123 · Jul 5, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

I have Hindu friend and when he pray, he do It in front of statue, but he Said he No worship statue.

it is simmilar to catholic, they pray and bow Down before Mary statue, but refused regardered AS worship

Jackson123 · Jul 5, 2017

oldethennew said:

yup, I listen Eric Jon phelp youtube, he Said federal reserve, the institusional that printer money from thin air is bolong to Jesuit.

Print trilions of dollar from papper, Loan It to government an tax payer pay the interest.

no Wonder rich country like us has big debt.

jaybird88 · Jul 5, 2017

onlinebuddy said:

were Jesus, John the baptist and st Paul married?

CS1 · Jul 5, 2017

I will say it, the Pope is and has stated betrayal of the faith in Christ by saying there are more than Jesus to get to Heaven.
That claim is unbiblical, false , and hostel to the gospel message of Christ.

jaybird88 · Jul 5, 2017

CS1 said:

Jesus is only one that goes to heaven?

CS1 · Jul 5, 2017

jaybird88 said:

let me be clearer

there is more than one way to salvation other than Jesus

that is not true even if the pope says it

oldethennew · Jul 5, 2017

CSI,

don't take offence, there truly are some who just don't get it at where
they are in their lives.../

jaybird88 · Jul 5, 2017

CS1 said:

these that fall into the category "other than Jesus" would be who? can you be more specific?

CS1 · Jul 5, 2017

oldethennew said:

no offence at all

the catholic church believe the pope is the one man who get's it. This pope is the only one who has said such a thing the last three popes did not hold to what this pope has stated. he get no pass

onlinebuddy · Jul 5, 2017

jaybird88 said:

Definitely not! Jesus and John the Baptist and Paul were not married, and neither were Elijah and Nehemiah and Jeremiah and Lydia and Miriam, etc.
But what are you getting at?

Please read my message carefully. I used the word "preferably," not essentially..

Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task.2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect.5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) (1 Tim 3:1-5)

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:5-6)

Paul was unmarried, and he encouraged others to be single. However, he did not enforce it on anyone, the way the Catholic church does!
Please read the words of Paul himself about people who forbid marriage:
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
Why do catholics find it so difficult to understand this?
What is Paul saying here? He is saying that:
1. The doctrine that forbids people to marry is actually a doctrine of demons
2. Marriage was created by God to be received with thanksgiving

What about Peter? Does the Bible give any evidence that he was married?
14 When Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.15 He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him.
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas[a]?(Matthew 8:14-15)
If Peter had a mother in law, he also had a wife!

What about the other apostles of Jesus? Were they married? Read the words of Paul himself:
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?(1 Cor 9:5)

Yes, Paul encouraged men to stay single. However, he told Titus to appoint elders who were married! Read please:
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:5-6)

Is it so difficult for the average Catholic to understand that they are subject to doctrine that is not in line with the Bible? When will they wake up and cross-check their doctrine against the Bible?

Peter was married. So, please make a note of the fact that the "first catholic Pope" was married!

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