Catholic believe pope is infallible

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Jackson123 said:
you Never feed better by trashing other religius group,
and what do you mean by: fleecing the flock for millions so preacher can live in the mansion

friend, If you love some one and he go to hell, you have to warn him.

to warn is love, to let him go to hell is to hate.

I have a neighbors , after she pray to Mary, she Said, mary came and Said that she have to we Ar a t Shirt with the heart image

All the time, and she have to fast, I am not Remember how many day. She almost die, If not her neigbors call ambulance
I love her and told her not to believe Mary able to came to her

it is demon pretend to be Mary.

she tought I hate her.

people that not warn her It is the one WHO hate her. Not all the way around
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Too many persons in other cultures live their Christianity in very odd ways.
You do well to warn her that she is making a mistake.
Doesn't her priest tell her this is wrong?
Maybe he tells her and she doesn't listen?

You should tell her to love Jesus first.
After she starts to pray to Jesus, she will not pray to Mary anymore.
 
FranC said:
Jackson,

I'm sorry I don't have enough time to devote to this.

I'm attaching a link for Lumen Gentium, which was written by Pope John Paul, ex-Cathedra (as Pope) for anyone who may be really interested in what you say.

It has been believed that the God of Christianity, the Jewish religion and Islam, is the same God --- the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.

Lumen Gentium only says that SOME outside of Christianity MAY BE SAVED, based on some conditions.
I do agree with this.

I'm not sure if you're asking if Muslims could be saved. If they are following their religion, I don't see how this could be possible since it is not a religion of peace.

IF they are following some aspects of their religion (as some Catholics do) and rcognize the one true God of love and mercy, then yes, I believe they could be saved.

This is for God to know and I DO NOT like to speak of salvation of soul's --- my remarks here are very general.

I'll post this and also the link to the above. It's not as simple as you make it out to be...



We will designate the above three sentences of LG 16 as LG 16b.
The Council here is teaching that under certain very specific conditions salvation is
possible for non-Christians. What are these conditions?
That non-Christians be not culpable for their ignorance of the Gospel.
That non-Christians seek God with a sincere heart.
That non-Christians try to live their life in conformity with what they know of God‘s will.
This is commonly spoken of as following the natural law or the light of conscience. It is
important to note, as the Council does, in order to avoid a Pelagian interpretation, that this is
possible only because people are ―moved by grace.‖
That non-Christians welcome or receive whatever ―good or truth‖ they live amidst—
referring possibly to elements of their non-Christian religions or cultures which may refract to
some degree that light that enlightens every man ( Jn 1:9). These positive elements are intended
to be ―preparation for the Gospel.‖ One could understand this to mean either a preparation for the
actual hearing of the Gospel or preparation for, perhaps, some communication of God by interior
illumination.
There is a very important doctrinal clarification contained in the footnote in this section
that references the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston8
, which, issued in 1949,
gave an important ruling on Fr. Leonard Feeney‘s strict interpretation of the theological axiom
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

This site will be helpful and also one could read Lumen Gentium on line.
https://www.renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/lumen_gentium_16_fcs.pdf
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to say islam worship Abraham God is Lie and heresy. Abram God teach Jesus is God. Muslim God teach Jesus is only prophet.

it is more danger than Anton levy. Anton admit worship devil. But catholic disguising devil' teaching AS a God teaching
This is more cuning
 
onlinebuddy said:
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I live in a Catholic locality, and the statue of Mary is circulated among the local households. The statue of Mary remains in a particular house for a day, and the household is supposed to invite the neighbours and pray the Rosary. The next day, the statue of Mary moves on to the next nearby Catholic neighbour. This practice is carried out in Catholic localities all over India.
Now, if one refuses to comply, they are counted as outcasts. They say, "Oh! So you're not a catholic. Are you a protestant?"

So I disgree with your statement that the RCC does encourage praying to Mary.They not only encourage, but threaten you by telling you that they would not allow you to buried in the local Catholic cemetery. That's pretty serious!
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You could disagree with me.

But do you realize that you live in a country that is not teaching what is taught in other Catholic countries??

What you describe above if very odd and is NOT ACCEPTED by the magesterium of the Catholic Church.
The priest should not be encouraging this.

The Church is trying to not take away the old cultures of people who were not christian before.
I DO NOT agree with this.

The truth cannot live side by side with un-truth.
 
FranC said:
Too many persons in other cultures live their Christianity in very odd ways.
You do well to warn her that she is making a mistake.
Doesn't her priest tell her this is wrong?
Maybe he tells her and she doesn't listen?

You should tell her to love Jesus first.
After she starts to pray to Jesus, she will not pray to Mary anymore.
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i do not know If her priest agree or not. But She is not the only one. My other friend in online discussion Said he HET help a Lot from Mary.
I am agree to love fellow human, It is the Will of God.

That why I keep telling that catholic is not Christian. For I do not believe catholic teach pure Bible.

you may dis agree with calvinist. But I believe calvin honest and not intend to mislead.

if there is a mistake in his interpretation. I believe It was not intentional

but I believe catholic intentionaly mislead

example, sale indulgence, They know It is wrong, for money, they make this papabull. muslim is in the plan of salvation
I believe it is preparation for one world religion
 
FranC said:
You could disagree with me.

But do you realize that you live in a country that is not teaching what is taught in other Catholic countries??

What you describe above if very odd and is NOT ACCEPTED by the magesterium of the Catholic Church.
The priest should not be encouraging this.

The Church is trying to not take away the old cultures of people who were not christian before.
I DO NOT agree with this.

The truth cannot live side by side with un-truth.
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Maybe the tradition of circulating the statue of Mary does not exist in other parts of the world, but Mary worship exists, doesn't it?
 
FranC said:
The Catholic Church teaches that God's grace is given through sacraments. Special grace. They're not dumb. They know what grace is. They believe these sacraments enforce or belief. In a way, they're not wrong. Children need feasts and special occasions to make their life more memorable. Maybe it would be a good idea even in Evangelical churches to have a special celebration for a person's first communion? Or some other celebration. We do lack this in our churches.
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Firstly, why coin extra -biblical terminology such as the words "sacrament" or "first holy communion?" Both these terms do not have biblical foundation.

Also, the Catholic view of grace is incorrect.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.(Ephesians 2:8-9)
What is grace? Is it a commodity that would be dispensed as a result of man's observing a particular sacrament(works)?
What is special grace? Please explain. Where does the bible talk of special grace given as a result of some action?

As a result of what does one get grace? When God sees faith in that person.

When does one get grace? As and when God decides to give it; not when man performs a particular ritual.

Do sacraments enforce belief? Not always.
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
Faith/ belief comes from hearing the word of God. Wouldn't it be better for the Catholic church to rather encourage people to read the bible more? BTW, Catholics do not know their bibles. They do not even believe that it's the ultimate Word of God. Therefore they pick and choose whatever pleases them. However, the dogmas made by the magisterium becomes the ultimate law.

About observing special occasions, it does not always serve the purpose of bringing people closer to God. Yes, as you mentioned, these give people special memories. But most "sacraments" are just lavish celebrations where the purpose is often forgotten.
10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.(Gal 4:10-11)
Paul was upset at the Galatians because observing special days took them back to their pagan roots. Most catholic feasts have names and traditions derived from paganism.
Special days are always welcome, but not if they are not in line with the Bible.

Repentance is one occasion when there is a celebration not only on earth, but in heaven (Luke 15:7). Repentance for a catholic has been reduced to a ritual of confessing to a priest, and doing penance by saying one Our Father and three Hail Marys. There is no change of heart.

Without a priest, a catholic seems helpless. Without a priest's endorsement, your efforts are not legal.
 
satan deceives the whole world' - and God does send 'great delusion' to those
who continue in wickedness'...

we certainly do not believe that ALL who attend the catholic church cannot
be called-out and enlightened by God and be set free from that particular
brand of 'bondage'...

oh yes, we very well know that that particular brand of 'false-religion' is no more
that an organization for pedophiles and of course are one of the greatest
money-monger-hoarders in this wicked world that we live in...

they are the supreme 'relocaters' instead of 'excommunicators'...
 
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FranC said:
I'm going to answer you seriously now. Please don't reply with snide remarks...

Elevating men to the stature of God. I agree. The Pope is the head of the Church, and every organization has a "pope".
Think of the most famous Protestant preachers... are they not like Popes? However, people do give the Pope too much importance as a spiritual leader. No one should have that much importance. This one happens to be very humble, BTW.
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I am a bit confused why you advocate the catholic ideology despite not being a catholic.
Regarding the Pope being the head of the Church, this is against the Bible.
The church has only one head and that is JESUS. Therefore it is wrong to call the Pope the head.
Yes, it is absolutely biblical for a church to have a leader in the form of an elder or an overseer or a deacon, etc

A church leader must:
-be humble with a servant's attitude
-preferably be married with god-loving children (the bible says this more than once)
-point people to the Word of God, not to man-made dogmas or traditions
-teach sound doctrine that is in line with the Bible.

A person cannot be a church leader if:
-he considers himself infallible under any circumstance
-he forbids anyone to marry
-if he makes anti-biblical or extra-biblical dogmas and traditions that nullify the Word of God
-he allows anyone to bow down before him
-he allows anyone to call himself "father" or "Holy Father"

About giving importance to a leader, the bible tells us to give "double honour" to our leaders (it's in the Bible). However, we must not bow down before them and kiss their hands and exalt them to a pedestal, the way catholics treat the pope.

Yes, Pope Francis seems to be very humble. However who is he to declare a particular year as the "Jubilee Year of Mercy" or invent concepts such as "Holy Door" etc? If he is humbie, why does he allow people to call him "Holy Father?" Why can't he do his job of pointing people to Jesus? Why does he allow the assembly of cardinals to bow down before him? Why does he call Mary the Mother of God?
 
onlinebuddy said:
Happens all around the world!!! It's not at all difficult to identify Mary worship. Why then do catholics rationalize and not admit that they worship Mary despite doing it?
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I have Hindu friend and when he pray, he do It in front of statue, but he Said he No worship statue.

it is simmilar to catholic, they pray and bow Down before Mary statue, but refused regardered AS worship
 
oldethennew said:
satan deceives the whole world' - and God does send 'great delusion' to those
who continue in wickedness'...

we certainly do not believe that ALL who attend the catholic church cannot
be called-out and enlightened by God and be set free from that particular
brand of 'bondage'...

oh yes, we very well know that that particular brand of 'false-religion' is no more
that an organization for pedophiles and of course are one of the greatest
money-monger-hoarders in this wicked world that we live in...

they are the supreme 'relocaters' instead of 'excommunicators'...
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yup, I listen Eric Jon phelp youtube, he Said federal reserve, the institusional that printer money from thin air is bolong to Jesuit.

Print trilions of dollar from papper, Loan It to government an tax payer pay the interest.

no Wonder rich country like us has big debt.
 
I will say it, the Pope is and has stated betrayal of the faith in Christ by saying there are more than Jesus to get to Heaven.
That claim is unbiblical, false , and hostel to the gospel message of Christ.
 
CS1 said:
I will say it, the Pope is and has stated betrayal of the faith in Christ by saying there are more than Jesus to get to Heaven.
That claim is unbiblical, false , and hostel to the gospel message of Christ.
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Jesus is only one that goes to heaven?
 
CSI,

don't take offence, there truly are some who just don't get it at where
they are in their lives.../
 
CS1 said:
let me be clearer :)

there is more than one way to salvation other than Jesus :) that is not true even if the pope says it
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these that fall into the category "other than Jesus" would be who? can you be more specific?
 
oldethennew said:
CSI,

don't take offence, there truly are some who just don't get it at where
they are in their lives.../
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no offence at all :)

the catholic church believe the pope is the one man who get's it. This pope is the only one who has said such a thing the last three popes did not hold to what this pope has stated. he get no pass :)
 
jaybird88 said:
were Jesus, John the baptist and st Paul married?
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Definitely not! Jesus and John the Baptist and Paul were not married, and neither were Elijah and Nehemiah and Jeremiah and Lydia and Miriam, etc.
But what are you getting at?

Please read my message carefully. I used the word "preferably," not essentially..

Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task.2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect.5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) (1 Tim 3:1-5)


For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:5-6)

Paul was unmarried, and he encouraged others to be single. However, he did not enforce it on anyone, the way the Catholic church does!
Please read the words of Paul himself about people who forbid marriage:
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
Why do catholics find it so difficult to understand this?
What is Paul saying here? He is saying that:
1. The doctrine that forbids people to marry is actually a doctrine of demons
2. Marriage was created by God to be received with thanksgiving

What about Peter? Does the Bible give any evidence that he was married?
14 When Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.15 He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him.
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas[a]?(Matthew 8:14-15)
If Peter had a mother in law, he also had a wife!

What about the other apostles of Jesus? Were they married? Read the words of Paul himself:
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?(1 Cor 9:5)

Yes, Paul encouraged men to stay single. However, he told Titus to appoint elders who were married! Read please:
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:5-6)


Is it so difficult for the average Catholic to understand that they are subject to doctrine that is not in line with the Bible? When will they wake up and cross-check their doctrine against the Bible?

Peter was married. So, please make a note of the fact that the "first catholic Pope" was married!
 
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