Catholic believe pope is infallible

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

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The RCC(and orthodox and some other denominations) teaching of being "born again" is infant baptism.
What RC's need to understand is that God dwells inside of us continually when we repent and invite Him to dwell inside and surrender to His ways.

It seems some RCs think God is only inside when they take communion/Eucharist...which goes in the stomach(at best).


What is not true is that the RCC believes that we are saved at baptism.

First of all they do not ue the term "born again" although they do know what it means and they do agree with
Ephesians 2:8.

The Holy Spirit IS given at infant baptism and the person becomes of a member of the Church family.

HOWEVER, if you ask anyone with knowledge, you'll find that they also understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord.

So what I've taught (I'm not Catholic) is that the Holy Spirit is not ACTIVE in a person until they ACTIVATE Him. The person must accept their faith, the Kingdom of God, etc.

I do want to say that when one goes farther than the bible teaches, it does create problems that then have to be explained away.

On the other hand, the reason they baptize infants is interesting and may even be right...

First of all they do not ue the term "born again" Not normally. More frequently it is probably the clergy than laymen that use the phrase. In RC Bibles, the phrase "born from above" is used in John 3:3, 7

although they do know what it means and they do agree with When I was RC I didn't think I needed to be born-again. To be "born-again" was to return to something left behind...sort of like the mis-used "born-again virgin" phrase. If someone were to ask me if I was born-again, I would have said "no". I would have thought that I had been RC my whole life and was therefore already Christian.

HOWEVER, if you ask anyone with knowledge, you'll find that they also understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord. Let's try this again...are you trying to say:

"However, if you ask anyone with knowledge, you'll find that Roman Catholics understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord."

"However, if you ask a Roman Catholic with knowledge, you'll find that Roman Catholics understand that not everyone comes to accept God as their Savior and Lord."

So what I've taught (I'm not Catholic) is that the Holy Spirit is not ACTIVE in a person until they ACTIVATE Him. The person must accept their faith, the Kingdom of God, etc. Source? Documentation?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

First of all they do not ue the term "born again" although they do know what it means and they do agree with
Ephesians 2:8.

Link from a RC website: Born-Again

 

[oldethennew]

EPH, 4:-4-5-6-7.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

The Trinity teaches that there is one God, YHVH, who is revealed in three distinct Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

So then wouldn't have Jesus gave up the Holy Spirit at the time of his death?
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Yet it is written,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.[/FONT] Luke 23:46

Since all three are suppose to have different forms or personages, yet all being the same substance, so with the "Spirit" in defined in the Greek as 'pneuma" or forced air, like a pneumatic impact tool which runs off forced air, then how does one interpret the spirit as anything more than the moving or forced air.

Yet it is written, "God is a Spirit" in the Gospel of John, then was that a error since God-Father would be a Holy Spirit? And likewise the God-Son also be the Holy Spirit and our course the Spirit would be the Holy Spirit.

Now while Jesus said into thy hands I commend my spirit Father yet other translations omit the giving up of the ghost and merely reference that Jesus breathed his last breath, not that he gave up anything. So are the new translations trying to establish that Jesus was all flesh?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

This is the original quote:



Originally Posted by Test_F_i_2_Luv View Post

The RCC(and orthodox and some other denominations) teaching of being "born again" is infant baptism.
What RC's need to understand is that God dwells inside of us continually when we repent and invite Him to dwell inside and surrender to His ways.

It seems some RCs think God is only inside when they take communion/Eucharist...which goes in the stomach(at best).


What is not true is that the RCC believes that we are saved at baptism.

"Q. How Should I(a Catholic) respond to someone who asks if I've been saved, or born-again?"*

Link

You may have to click on the gray rectangular box with those words in it for the answer to appear.


*Readers should note I am not a RC. The above quote is from a RC website.

 

[jaybird88]

it is doctrine

this definition of doctrine

n of doctrine
a : something that is taughtb : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : dogma Catholic doctrinec

• 1archaic : teaching, instruction
• 2a : something that is taughtb : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : dogma Catholic doctrinec law : a principle of law established through past decisionsd : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations the Truman Doctrinee : a military principle or set of strategies
  something that is tought
  
  mary AS queen of heaven and purgatory is something that is tought in catholic, so It is doctrine
  

i never said it was not doctrine, every denomination has different doctrines. thats what your not getting.

 

[Jackson123]

i never said it was not doctrine, every denomination has different doctrines. thats what your not getting.

Yup every denomination have a doctrine, but has to demonstrate If tha doctrine base oN the Bible.
i do not believe mary AS queen of heaven is base oN the Bible, the term queen of heaven is pagan origine. The goddess of ancient rome religion
and If the doctrine not from the Bible, i call It not christian

 

[jaybird88]

Yup every denomination have a doctrine, but has to demonstrate If tha doctrine base oN the Bible.
i do not believe mary AS queen of heaven is base oN the Bible, the term queen of heaven is pagan origine. The goddess of ancient rome religion
and If the doctrine not from the Bible, i call It not christian

the Catholics demonstrate their doctrines from the bible just the same as you do. there are many anti Catholic sites as well as ex Catholics that make this same claim you do, the problem is you will never find a practicing Catholic say they bow down and worship Mary believing she is a goddess of heaven.

 

[Jackson123]

the Catholics demonstrate their doctrines from the bible just the same as you do. there are many anti Catholic sites as well as ex Catholics that make this same claim you do, the problem is you will never find a practicing Catholic say they bow down and worship Mary believing she is a goddess of heaven.

but they bow Down before mary statue. And pray to mary, where in the Bible teach pray to mary and pray infront of mary statue, where in the Bible teach purgatory

 

[jaybird88]

but they bow Down before mary statue. And pray to mary, where in the Bible teach pray to mary and pray infront of mary statue, where in the Bible teach purgatory

if you want to know about Catholics why do you not join a catholic message board and ask real Catholics? you sound like you have no interest in what they do but only looking to justify your hatred for them.

why are you so worried about what Catholics do in their own church?

 

[Jackson123]

if you want to know about Catholics why do you not join a catholic message board and ask real Catholics? you sound like you have no interest in what they do but only looking to justify your hatred for them.

why are you so worried about what Catholics do in their own church?

you not answewred my question

what part of Bible teach pray to mary and bow infront of mary statue?

 

[jaybird88]

you not answewred my question

what part of Bible teach pray to mary and bow infront of mary statue?

Catholics get their doctrines from the bible the same way you do.

did a Catholic tell you they bow down, make offerings and pray to mary as a goddess the same way one would pray to the Most High. i am thinking no.

but seriously, do you have any interest in learning why Catholics do what they do or are you only interesting in cutting them down?
why are you so worried what Catholics do?

 

[onlinebuddy]

As notuptome stated, Catholics believe that the Pope is only infallible only "ex cathedra" -

How did we arrive at such an assumption that the Pope is infallible (be it at any particular time, or for whatever reason)?

As notuptome stated, Catholics believe that the Pope is only infallible only "ex cathedra" - when he is making official statements regarding church matters/beliefs, etc.,

What type of official statements? Give us some examples.
What beliefs? Give us some examples.

 

[Jackson123]

Catholics get their doctrines from the bible the same way you do.

did a Catholic tell you they bow down, make offerings and pray to mary as a goddess the same way one would pray to the Most High. i am thinking no.

but seriously, do you have any interest in learning why Catholics do what they do or are you only interesting in cutting them down?
why are you so worried what Catholics do?

i give you a link where pope bow in front of Mary statue.

catholic also pray to mary

This is link
Why Pray to Mary and the Saints? | The Great Adventure Catholic Bible Study

i reading a Lot about catholic because after informed by a friend that catholic is No Christian, i investigate

if this information true.

 

[Jackson123]

Sorry the first link not show up,

this is the link

Roman Catholics Priests & Popes Worship An Idol Of Blessed Virgin Mary

 

[Magenta]

Catholics get their doctrines from the bible the same way you do.

No, that is not true. Their traditions of men are elevated above the revealed written Word of God and this is why Protestantism exists in the first place, because Roman Catholic heresies are wicked and intolerable. There is nothing in the Bible to say that Mary is a intercessor, some of their beliefs fly in the face of Scripture and are straight from the devil being anti Christal.

 

[onlinebuddy]

i never said it was not doctrine, every denomination has different doctrines. thats what your not getting.

Church doctrine must line up with the Word of God- The Bible. That's what the Bereans were commended for. They cross-checked if the teachings of the Apostle Paul (who was chosen by Jesus himself), were in accordance to the scriptures or not.
Acts 17:11

No need to add extra dogmas or extra doctrines that distract us from the original Word of God, since the Bible tells us everything we need to do to live lives that God approves of.
2 Timothy 3:16-17

Minor differences between churches/denominations are to be expected. When this happens, believers must pray that God may make things clear.
Philippians 3:15

 

[onlinebuddy]

Just a note - Catholics do not worship Mary, nor do they pray to her - she, like the saints, does act as an intercessor, but no Catholic is required to ask for her intercession. Not saying I'm for or against the idea, just stating fact. That said, I think there's a very fine line between 'praying to Mary' and 'asking for her intercession.' And, yes, before sending a bazillion posts or opening up a can of worms, I'm aware of the Protestant concept of 'no intercessor but Jesus.'

Not bazillion, just one question:
Jesus is the Son of God; the one seated at the right hand of the Father; the lamb who shed his blood; the one who has been given the highest authority in heaven and on earth.

Is there something lacking in the intercessory ability of Jesus?

 

[Magenta]

Just a note - Catholics do not worship Mary, nor do they pray to her -

What a blatant lie.

 

[jaybird88]

i give you a link where pope bow in front of Mary statue.

catholic also pray to mary

This is link
Why Pray to Mary and the Saints? | The Great Adventure Catholic Bible Study

i reading a Lot about catholic because after informed by a friend that catholic is No Christian, i investigate

if this information true.

looks like you got some bad information. my family is Catholic and they dont do what your accusing.

do you not understand the difference between laws of man (doctrines) and laws of the Most High? Jesus taught we would know false prophets by their fruits. i see Catholics out helping the sick, feeding the poor and many other good works. thats good fruit IMO. spending your time tearing down others just to make yourself look better is bad fruit.