Sabbath

[LoveGodForever]

brother LoveGod
is labour or business always mean not doing good?

i believe everything we do as long as base on love is good. That is why Jesus work oN sabbath.

in my country, a Lot of low income family, just for simple life, some must work long hour. They do because they love their family

i have a friend work 7 daya a week, Wake up 4 a Clock every day, 2 hour oN bus, Home at 8 PM.

not Easy Find better job bro.

Hi Jackson123,

Good questions my friend but the difference is that Jesus did not get payed for His Work or did business on the Sabbath. He only did good to others and healed them. If you do the same as Jesus did God's Word says it is ok to help others, but not for work and money. I can understand your situation. But you know my friend God can work miracles. Do you believe God can help you and work a miracle for you if you ask him?

God bless you my friend

 

[graceNpeace]

Go and look at posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209 and 1218. There is well over 150+ bible verses from the Word of God and you say assumptions with no evidence? Well this is an AMAZING thing.... having eyes to see but cannot see and ears to hear but cannot hear? Do you not believe God because the scriptures go against your interpretation? You know we need to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4). Not just the ones we want to pick and choose because someone says so. Be like the faithful Bereans and study the Word for yourself asking Jesus.

God bless you

Show me in Genesis chapter 2 where there is any command for men to keep the Sabbath?
It is not there - simple as that!
Since this assumption about Genesis chapter 2 is the foundation of your house of cards your inability to prove that Gen 2:1-3 is a command to man destroys the whole proposition.

The first reference to man to observe the Sabbath comes in Exodus (multiple references) but NO mention of any connection to Genesis chapter 2!

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Jackson123,

Good questions my friend but the difference is that Jesus did not get payed for His Work or did business on the Sabbath. He only did good to others and healed them. If you do the same as Jesus did God's Word says it is ok to help others, but not for work and money. I can understand your situation. But you know my friend God can work miracles. Do you believe God can help you and work a miracle for you if you ask him?

God bless you my friend

brother LoveGod

Jesus not work for money, He did not need money, But for some people need money in order to helm other.

say your friend need food or shelter, than you work for money so you can have extra money to pay motel romo for him, what is the different, If you let him stay in your house in sabbath. Both doing good isn't It ?

 

[Rainrider]

As I understand Gen 2 does not show a 'command to observe it but it is certainly/definitely the 'establishing firmly of a DAY/time intended to be used for our benefit'....as we grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior. The sabbath is there from Creation and is a foundational principle for a certain purpose ! to wipe it away is to pull the rug from under your feet.

At creation man would have been similar to a Baby/Infant without much knowledge and could hardly have been expected to understand fully and obey instruction (even just one Gen2v17)....all that comes with 'growing' so that by the time they/mankind reached Exodus/leviticus they would have more comprehension....like Kids starting school....hence the call to assemble on the sabbath ! Has God changed the day ? don't think so.

Is it not at all possible that HaShem created ma with the knowledge that was needed, rather than start them off with nothing? After all Adam did name the animals. That in of it's self show higher cognitive ability than a child would have. Just asking, is all.
Oh thats right you know what my question are meant to do. LOL

 

[Rainrider]

Hi Jackson123, Good questions.

1. "You said before sin God law written in the heart, how do you Knowles If the sabbath law written in the heart"

Because God blessed the 7th Day of the creation week, God set it apart from all the other days, God made it a Holy day and made this day for mankind (Gen 2:1-3 and Mark 2:17). Before the fall (sin) man followed God because they loved Him.

The problem in the context in Mark 2:17 was that the Jews made the Sabbath a burden and put all these man made rules over the Sabbath so in that no one could keep it. Jesus came to tell them that He was the maker and owner of the Sabbath and it is ok to do good on the Sabbath and this day is set aside as our rest with God. The motive is love and not the letter like the Jews did.

Col 2:17 is not talking about Sabbath years or the 7th Day Sabbath, its talking about the ceremonial high Sabbaths that were connected to Jewish feast days, Holy days and ordinances that pointed to the coming of Jesus. (please read posts 1166 and 1168)

Hope this is helpful

God bless you

Other than having the feast pointed out, at lest to some degree, May I ask, why this passage can not point to all the known Sabbaths?

 

[Rainrider]

In other words an assumption with no evidence...

Seems to be a lot of that going around.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Show me in Genesis chapter 2 where there is any command for men to keep the Sabbath?
It is not there - simple as that! Since this assumption about Genesis chapter 2 is the foundation of your house of cards your inability to prove that Gen 2:1-3 is a command to man destroys the whole proposition.The first reference to man to observe the Sabbath comes in Exodus (multiple references) but NO mention of any connection to Genesis chapter 2!

Hi graceNpeace,

Ok my friend lets do this. I will show you if you can answer me these simple questions from Genesis 2:1-3 from God's Word the answers are all in those three verses at the end of the creation week so should be easy for you to find.......

1. Who made the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
2. Who sanctified the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
3. Who blessed the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
4. Who rested the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
5. Who made the 7th Day Sabbath a holy day in the creation week?
6. Who did God make the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week for?
7. Was the 7th Day Sabbath given BEFORE the fall of mankind of AFTER the fall of mankind?
7. Was the giving of the 7th Day Sabbath from a FINISHED work of creation or an UNFINISHED work?

You should also know by now that Genesis is not needed to show you that your interpretation of God's Word is a not correct. Did you not read the 150+ Scriptures from God's Word about the Sabbath that have no origin from Genesis in posts 1166, 1168 and 1183? Genesis is a good place to start however because this is where the Sabbath originated. For your reference again go and look at posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209 and 1218 which you seem to have not read or ignored.

Honestly, friend I am not interested in your personal opinions about God's Word or having an argument with you here. I have provided you with scripture for what I believe you have provided nothing but your opinion. If you have something to share from God's Word I am happy to talk with you otherwise we are wasting our time as you have your opinion that you are holding on to without searching the scriptures for yourself like the faithful Bereans. Now this is ok if you want to do this. It is between you and God. Lets just say I respect your right to your opinion to call the sky purple... but I believe God when he says its Blue.

"Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged." (Rom 3:4)

God bless you

 

[graceNpeace]

Hi graceNpeace,

Ok my friend lets do this. I will show you if you can answer me these simple questions from Genesis 2:1-3 from God's Word the answers are all in those three verses at the end of the creation week so should be easy for you to find.......

1. Who made the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
2. Who sanctified the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
3. Who blessed the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
4. Who rested the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week?
5. Who made the 7th Day Sabbath a holy day in the creation week?
6. Who did God make the 7th Day Sabbath in the creation week for?
7. Was the 7th Day Sabbath given BEFORE the fall of mankind of AFTER the fall of mankind?
7. Was the giving of the 7th Day Sabbath from a FINISHED work of creation or an UNFINISHED work?

You should also know by now that Genesis is not needed to show you that your interpretation of God's Word is a not correct. Did you not read the 150+ Scriptures from God's Word about the Sabbath that have no origin from Genesis in posts 1166, 1168 and 1183? Genesis is a good place to start however because this is where the Sabbath originated. For your reference again go and look at posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209 and 1218 which you seem to have not read or ignored.

Honestly, friend I am not interested in your personal opinions about God's Word or having an argument with you here. I have provided you with scripture for what I believe you have provided nothing but your opinion. If you have something to share from God's Word I am happy to talk with you otherwise we are wasting our time as you have your opinion that you are holding on to without searching the scriptures for yourself like the faithful Bereans. Now this is ok if you want to do this. It is between you and God. Lets just say I respect your right to your opinion to call the sky purple... but I believe God when he says its Blue.

"Let God be true and every man a liar as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged." (Rom 3:4)

God bless you

None of answers explains anything!

The first reference to sabbath-keeping for man is in Exodus and that is all there is to it.
Part of the law of Moses, never before.

You trying to get me chase shadows down rabbits holes only serves your purposes of misdirection and misinformation.

 

[beta]

- the law made nothing perfect

- put on love, which is the bond of perfection

I'm not sure our human love can stretch to perfection without first growing to AGAPE love from and in God...initiated by HIS Holy Spirit....given to them who obey...in love.
I think we need to take all this 'growing in very small steps like a Toddler learning to walk. This takes much longer than just reading scripture and expecting instant results. Many are claiming to love God but when He tells them HOW to love Him they back out...thinking they can love Him on their own terms...isn't that being still human and carnal and distanced from God ?

 

[LoveGodForever]

brother LoveGod

Jesus not work for money, He did not need money, But for some people need money in order to helm other.

say your friend need food or shelter, than you work for money so you can have extra money to pay motel romo for him, what is the different, If you let him stay in your house in sabbath. Both doing good isn't It ?

Hi Jackson123,

Yes it is fine that you can earn money for your family and friends. God has given us 6 days to do this but he has set aside the 7th Day as a Holy day. A day of rest from business and work to spend with God and family and friends in the Lord. You are free however if someone needs your help to do good on the Sabbath. This is the example of Jesus. But Jesus never did good on the Sabbath for money. God promises us however.... "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things (needful for life) will be added unto you." (Matt 6:33). If we trust and believe God's Word and seek him everyday through HIs Word and by faith lay hold on the promises of God his promise is He will look after you.

God bless you my friend

 

[slave]

To observe Sunday is to stop working or doing any business on Sunday. On this day the shopkeepers should close their shops to observe the day. But may I ask those in the denominations, "Why do you observe Sunday this way? Why should believers not buy and sell on Sunday, and why should they not do what they do on the other weekdays?" These ones would unanimously answer, "Does not the fourth commandment tell us that we should rest on this day?"

Brothers, consider what a confusion this is!

If you ask these ones further which day does the fourth commandment refer to, they have to say that it refers to the Sabbath day. But which day is the Sabbath day? It is Saturday. Which day are they observing? They are observing Sunday. Please note that the regulation of the fourth commandment is with regard to Saturday. But what people are observing today is Sunday. What is the reason for basing one's observance of Sunday on a regulation that governs Saturday? Why change from Saturday to Sunday, while keeping the regulations governing Saturday? The Sunday observers cannot answer these questions.

They realize that in the age of grace there is no more need to keep the Sabbath. But while they observe the Lord's Day, they are still being bound by the Sabbath regulations. What advantage is there to change the seventh day to the first day? This kind of behavior is mindless, meaningless, illogical, contrary to grace, contrary to the law, and unscriptural.

What is the scriptural teaching concerning the keeping of days? The Bible has not commanded Christians to "observe" any day. No, absolutely none. According to the example and teaching of the Bible, on the Lord's Day (i.e., Sunday), Christians should:

1). Rejoice and be glad (Psa. 118:24),
2). Meet and break bread (Acts 20:7), and
3). Make offerings (1 Cor. 16:2).

These are the things that Christians should do. This day is the "Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10).

Hence, we should act according to the Lord's will. As to what should not be done, the Bible does not have a single word concerning it. Many of the present day regulations are human traditions. If one should not buy and sell on the Lord's Day, he should not do the same on all the other days as well. It is because men do not understand that the gospel teaches men to do everything in their daily lives for God that there are such errors. The conclusion is that Christians should not observe the Sabbath, and they should not observe Sunday.

However, on the Lord's Day (i.e., Sunday), they should rejoice and be glad, meet and break bread, and make offerings. This question has bewildered many and has caused loss to the poor believers who would otherwise work on the Lord's Day, but who refrain from working under the fear that they would offend the Lord.

Yes, the church life is a Sabbath rest to God, but it is not a Sabbath with maturity. It is good, but it is not altogether good; it is not yet good enough. The church life is wonderful as far as the seed goes, but we have not yet reached the harvest. There is a Sabbath for God in the church life today, but this Sabbath is not yet complete, perfect, or mature.

Hence, there will be another stage of the Sabbath—the age of harvest at the time when the Lord Jesus comes back. When the Lord Jesus comes the second time, that will be the age of the harvest. It is wonderful to see the field growing, but this could never be as wonderful as the harvest.

Undoubtedly, there is a real Sabbath for God in the church life because God has sown Himself as the seed into the field and the field is now growing. Nevertheless, we must remember that we are still not in the harvest. Will you be ripe when the harvest time comes? If you inquire of farmers, they will tell you that some of the crop is not ripe at the harvest time.

Today’s Sabbath in the church life is a real Sabbath, but it is not a Sabbath with perfection or maturity. That Sabbath will be in the next age. In 1 Corinthians 3 we see the field growing, and in Revelation 14 we see the harvest being reaped.

 

[beta]

brother LoveGod

Jesus not work for money, He did not need money, But for some people need money in order to helm other.

say your friend need food or shelter, than you work for money so you can have extra money to pay motel romo for him, what is the different, If you let him stay in your house in sabbath. Both doing good isn't It ?

Do you think God is not generous enough by giving you 6 days and Him only asking for 1 day ?
Why does man not want to give HIM one day but take all/every day away from God ?
Are you not sorry to be so mean ???

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, it is a gift after all.

Do you think God is not generous enough by giving you 6 days and Him only asking for 1 day ?
Why does man not want to give HIM one day but take all/every day away from God ?
Are you not sorry to be so mean ???

 

[beta]

Show me in Genesis chapter 2 where there is any command for men to keep the Sabbath?
It is not there - simple as that!
Since this assumption about Genesis chapter 2 is the foundation of your house of cards your inability to prove that Gen 2:1-3 is a command to man destroys the whole proposition.

The first reference to man to observe the Sabbath comes in Exodus (multiple references) but NO mention of any connection to Genesis chapter 2!

Well , I have mentioned Ex and Lev to you being for those who have outgrown Babystage and you more or less call it drivel. However the fact remains the sabbath was established at Creation whether man was then aware of it or not....we certainly CAN know with hindsight...yet people still don't want to keep it...why ? they are not sensitive to HIS WILL and only want to satisfy the self human carnal nature ! Until you and people like you humble yourself and repent there will be 'no talking to you !

 

[graceNpeace]

Well , I have mentioned Ex and Lev to you being for those who have outgrown Babystage and you more or less call it drivel. However the fact remains the sabbath was established at Creation whether man was then aware of it or not....we certainly CAN know with hindsight...yet people still don't want to keep it...why ? they are not sensitive to HIS WILL and only want to satisfy the self human carnal nature ! Until you and people like you humble yourself and repent there will be 'no talking to you !

I am sorry there is no evidence for what you are saying - it is all speculation.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Other than having the feast pointed out, at lest to some degree, May I ask, why this passage can not point to all the known Sabbaths?

Hi Rainrider,

Nice to see you. Good question. Much of this is covered in posts 1166 and 1168. Which talk about the Sanctuary laws, ceremonial laws, feast days, holy days, New moons and other ordinances which is the context of Col 2:17. So no need to repeat all that here, just have a quick read of those posts if you want detail, but some simple dot points

* The Sabbath was given to mankind as part of the creation week as part of a finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow.
* The Sabbath was given BEFORE the fall of mankind and not after it was only given after they forgot it so cannot be a shadow.
* It is part of God's 10 Commandment Law which is the standard of all righteousness which is forever (Ps 119:172)
* God's Law (10 commandments) are forever (Ecc 3:14)
* The Sabbath is an everlasting covenant (Ex 31:16; Isa 56 (new),
* It is a sign that God's people worship the God of creation (Ex 31:13-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Rev 14:12)
* The Sabbath will be kept by Gods people in the new earth (Isa 66:22-24)

God bless you ... time for me to eat chat latter all bb for now

 

[beta]

Is it not at all possible that HaShem created ma with the knowledge that was needed, rather than start them off with nothing? After all Adam did name the animals. That in of it's self show higher cognitive ability than a child would have. Just asking, is all.
Oh thats right you know what my question are meant to do. LOL

Oh sure they did have some knowledge , but it was not enough to even help them keep just 1 Command...and all the knowledge they have today (which is very considerable) is not enough...because the Spirit is missing.

 

[graceNpeace]

...
* The Sabbath was given to mankind as part of the creation week as part of a finished work of creation.
...

No proof whatsoever...

 

[pckts]

Well , I have mentioned Ex and Lev to you being for those who have outgrown Babystage and you more or less call it drivel. However the fact remains the sabbath was established at Creation whether man was then aware of it or not....we certainly CAN know with hindsight...yet people still don't want to keep it...why ? they are not sensitive to HIS WILL and only want to satisfy the self human carnal nature ! Until you and people like you humble yourself and repent there will be 'no talking to you !

[h=1]Genesis 2:2-3New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]2 [/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



◄ Exodus 20:8 ►
New International Version
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
◄ Mark 2:27 ►
New International Version
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Christ honored the Sabbath when he walked the earth as well. He just dismissed the extreme rules and regulations the Pharisees imposed for power and their own glory.

No one wants to believe me the earth is flat either.

 

[Rainrider]

Hi Rainrider,

Nice to see you. Good question. Much of this is covered in posts 1166 and 1168. Which talk about the Sanctuary laws, ceremonial laws, feast days, holy days, New moons and other ordinances which is the context of Col 2:17. So no need to repeat all that here, just have a quick read of those posts if you want detail, but some simple dot points

* The Sabbath was given to mankind as part of the creation week as part of a finished work of creation so cannot be a shadow.
* The Sabbath was given BEFORE the fall of mankind and not after it was only given after they forgot it so cannot be a shadow.
* It is part of God's 10 Commandment Law which is the standard of all righteousness which is forever (Ps 119:172)
* God's Law (10 commandments) are forever (Ecc 3:14)
* The Sabbath is an everlasting covenant (Ex 31:16; Isa 56 (new),
* It is a sign that God's people worship the God of creation (Ex 31:13-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Rev 14:12)
* The Sabbath will be kept by Gods people in the new earth (Isa 66:22-24)

God bless you ... time for me to eat chat latter all bb for now

You get no argument from me on Sabbath, be it the day or days. Yet what you post is not really an answer, nor do I find one in the other post you named. It look as though we will just have to agree to disagree on the intent of the named passage.
No big though, one of many that are seen by some as a way to remove the Sabbath, yet speaks not of removal, rather points to the keeping of, with out fear of mans judgment. Then why should we fear mans judgment, it holds no sway over our salvation.