The Rapture

[KJV1611]

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. [SUP]27 [/SUP]He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Ok That talks about the tribulation period

And that's why I'm kjv only. The kjv says something completely different.

Daniel: 9. 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Bible Offline

 

[Denadii]

Could someone explain to me how do they make Daniel 9:27 talk about the AntiChrist and not Christ and where do they came up with the gap idea? What suggests that there is a stop in the prophetic clock?

[h=1]Matthew 24:3-31 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that you are coming, and that the ‘olam hazeh is ending?”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Yeshua replied: “Watch out! Don’t let anyone fool you! [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah!’ and they will lead many astray. [SUP]6 [/SUP]You will hear the noise of wars nearby and the news of wars far off; see to it that you don’t become frightened. Such things must happen, but the end is yet to come. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For peoples will fight each other, nations will fight each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various parts of the world; [SUP]8 [/SUP]all this is but the beginning of the ‘birth-pains.’ [SUP]9 [/SUP]At that time you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and put to death, and all peoples will hate you because of me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]At that time many will be trapped into betraying and hating each other, [SUP]11 [/SUP]many false prophets will appear and fool many people; [SUP]12 [/SUP]and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this Good News about the Kingdom will be announced throughout the whole world as a witness to all the Goyim. It is then that the end will come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“So when you see the abomination that causes devastation spoken about through the prophet Dani’el standing in the Holy Place”[SUP][a][/SUP] (let the reader understand the allusion), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“that will be the time for those in Y’hudah to escape to the hills. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If someone is on the roof, he must not go down to gather his belongings from his house; [SUP]18 [/SUP]if someone is in the field, he must not turn back to get his coat. [SUP]19 [/SUP]What a terrible time it will be for pregnant women and nursing mothers! [SUP]20 [/SUP]Pray that you will not have to escape in winter or on Shabbat. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For there will be trouble then worse than there has ever been from the beginning of the world until now, and there will be nothing like it again![SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]22 [/SUP]Indeed, if the length of this time had not been limited, no one would survive; but for the sake of those who have been chosen, its length will be limited.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“At that time, if someone says to you, ‘Look! Here’s the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ don’t believe him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For there will appear false Messiahs and false prophets performing great miracles — amazing things! — so as to fool even the chosen, if possible. [SUP]25 [/SUP]There! I have told you in advance! [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if people say to you, ‘Listen! He’s out in the desert!’ don’t go; or, ‘Look! He’s hidden away in a secret room!’ don’t believe it. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For when the Son of Man does come, it will be like lightning that flashes out of the east and fills the sky to the western horizon. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Wherever there’s a dead body, that’s where you find the vultures.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“But immediately following the trouble of those times,
the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,[SUP][c][/SUP]
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken. [SUP][d][/SUP]

[SUP]30 [/SUP]“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn,[SUP][e][/SUP] and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory.[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]31 [/SUP]He will send out his angels with a great shofar;[SUP][g][/SUP] and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Denadii]

And that's why I'm kjv only. The kjv says something completely different.

Daniel: 9. 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Bible Offline

Not different at all......KJV
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. [SUP]27 [/SUP]He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

 

[KJV1611]

Not different at all......KJV
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. [SUP]27 [/SUP]He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Nobody MAKES a covenant in Daniel 9. An existing covenant is confirmed.

 

[Denadii]

Nobody MAKES a covenant in Daniel 9. An existing covenant is confirmed.

Yes. However its not an immediate fulfillment

 

[J7]

SPOT THE CORRECT SCRIPTURE

Is it scripture A

A)These be the days of vengeance that all that is written may be fulfilled.

or scripture B


B)These be the days of vengeance that all that is written may be partially fulfilled in a wishy washy way.


A or B ?

Answers to the final adjudicator please. Winning answer will be pulled out of a hat.

 

[Denadii]

SPOT THE CORRECT SCRIPTURE

Is it scripture A

A)These be the days of vengeance that all that is written may be fulfilled.

or scripture B


B)These be the days of vengeance that all that is written may be partially fulfilled in a wishy washy way.


A or B ?

Answers to the final adjudicator please. Winning answer will be pulled out of a hat.

The first one. What's your point?

 

[Bogadile]

When the Jews rebuild the third temple, will God's glory live in it when they perform animal sacrifices? Considering we are in the new covenant and Jesus has died and been resurrected? Yes or no?

 

[J7]

The point is is that it is the destruction of Jerusalem that is the fulfilment. Which of course happened in the 1st Century


And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

 

[Issachar92]

After all these years, what were the odds of Israel becoming a nation again? How does that not ring your bells and excite you that we are in the end times? This is a MUST for end time prophecy to be fulfilled. And before some of you repeat the same garbage about Israel being wicked yes we all know that, hence TIME OF JACOB's TROUBLE!

 

[VCO]

Again, Isa 13 dealt with Babylon, not Egypt and not Israel. The ancient city of Babylon in Iraq was found and it is a huge archeological site. Do you see any Arab tents in these pictures?

Saddam Hussein's Palace at Babylon.

See the Highway, See the Farm Fields in the Background.

Where do you think these troops camped every night?

Or where do you think these People were spending the night?

NOTICE: Saddam's Palace on the Left, and the Trailor Houses and RV-Campers on the Right in the trees, looks like your past tense fulfillment of of the Prophecy JUST FELL APART.

Jeremiah 51:35-36 (GW)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] The people who live in Zion say, “May the violence done to us be done to Babylon.” Jerusalem says, “May the people of Babylon be held responsible for our deaths.”
[SUP]36 [/SUP] This is what the LORD says: I am going to take up your cause and get revenge for you. I will dry up Babylon's sea and make its springs dry. [HAS NOT HAPPENED, see top picture.]


Isaiah 13:5-6 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They come from a distant land, from the end of the heavens, the LORD and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. [HAS NOT HAPPENED, But NUKES will do it.]
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; as destruction from the Almighty it will come!


Isaiah 13:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] It will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there; no shepherds will make their flocks lie down there. [HAS NOT HAPPENED, But NUKES will do it.]

Proverbs 10:30 (NKJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The righteous will never be removed, But the wicked will not inhabit the earth.
[HAS NOT HAPPENED, YET.]

 

[Burninglight]

Yes and it will look something like this:

But we may be at the WEDDING in Heaven by that time.

I am looking forward to the greatest wedding feast ever known as well.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes. However its not an immediate fulfillment

I don't understand what you mean by fulfillment, a covenant is not a prophecy, it's an agreement. Daniel 9:27 says He shall confirm THE covenant... that's what Jesus did on the cross, he confirmed the Abrahamic covenant. This is what Paul is talking about in Galatians isn't it?

Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[KJV1611]

Anybody have an idea of how Jesus confirmed the Abrahamic covenant?

Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[Denadii]

The point is is that it is the destruction of Jerusalem that is the fulfilment. Which of course happened in the 1st Century


And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. The word is plural. In 70AD the Roman army (singular) marched on Israel and Jerusalem was sacked. But the Word says Armies (Plural) So whats wrong here? Look.

All of the red area is armies (plural) That stand against Israel and its capital Jerusalem today. They do compass Jerusalem don't they?

 

[Denadii]

I don't understand what you mean by fulfillment, a covenant is not a prophecy, it's an agreement. Daniel 9:27 says He shall confirm THE covenant... that's what Jesus did on the cross, he confirmed the Abrahamic covenant. This is what Paul is talking about in Galatians isn't it?

Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Daniel was indeed speaking in the Spirit...But was it prophesy? Or a reminder of covenant? You will have to decide which. A prophesy is not only the speaking of things to come...It is also simply put. Relaying the Words of God to His kids.

 

[KJV1611]

Daniel was indeed speaking in the Spirit...But was it prophesy? Or a reminder of covenant? You will have to decide which. A prophesy is not only the speaking of things to come...It is also simply put. Relaying the Words of God to His kids.

Daniel was prophecying that SOMEONE would come and CONFIRM an existing COVENANT. He is not saying (at least in the KJV) that SOMEONE would come to MAKE a NEW covenant.

 

[Denadii]

Daniel was prophecying that SOMEONE would come and CONFIRM an existing COVENANT. He is not saying (at least in the KJV) that SOMEONE would come to MAKE a NEW covenant.

OK And someone will.
For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth[SUP][b][/SUP] and destroy by the glory of his coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.

 

[Burninglight]

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. The word is plural. In 70AD the Roman army (singular) marched on Israel and Jerusalem was sacked. But the Word says Armies (Plural) So whats wrong here? Look.

All of the red area is armies (plural) That stand against Israel and its capital Jerusalem today. They do compass Jerusalem don't they?

This tells us the time is near

 

[KJV1611]

OK And someone will.
For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Don’t you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth[SUP][b][/SUP] and destroy by the glory of his coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. [SUP]10 [/SUP]He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.

Ok, where is the EXISTING antichrist covenant in the bible? What covenant is the antichrist confirming?