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Why is it that you guys throw away the simple and easy parts of Zechariah 12 and hold on tight to the obscure portions. The simple verses are there to help us understand the more obscure ones. John plainly says that those parts of Zechariah 12 were fulfilled... believe John. They looked on him whom they pierced ON THE CROSS, John said so. Every body knows that grace came to the Jews at the cross. Now use that info to understand how God destroyed the nations that surrounded Jerusalem. The bible does not contradict itself, if it says something plainly in one place, then just believe it. 
Here are some the nations that came against Christ on the cross. I've heard that all of the beasts ofthe Zodiac can be found in Pslam 22... I haven't all of them, but a fee are mentioned here.
Psalm 22:12-16 KJV
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
[13] They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
[14] I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
[15] My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psalm 22:12-16 KJV
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
[13] They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
[14] I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
[15] My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
That this was accomplished on the cross. Jesus is returning for Israel at the close of the tribulation and at the start of the millennial reign.
You must read it that way because of your faulty theology. John said that scripture was fulfilled in that not a bone of Him was broken. Next thought is that they will look upon Him whom they Israel have pierced.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You must read it that way because of your faulty theology. John said that scripture was fulfilled in that not a bone of Him was broken. Next thought is that they will look upon Him whom they Israel have pierced.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What did I read in?
That this was accomplished on the cross. Jesus is returning for Israel at the close of the tribulation and at the start of the millennial reign.
Which Israel… the one that has the Spirit of Christ or those who do not. Or what kind of a Jew, one born inwardly born again of by the incorruptible seed of Christ that God has now renamed as Christian, literally meaning “residents of the city of Christ” prepared as His bride the church.
Christ has come in the flesh it’s the antichrist’s (many) that are awaiting for eye to see him who they did crucify… he will not be crucified twice as if one demonstration was not enough.
The only problem with that view is that John tellls us that "they will look him whom they pierced" was fulfilled on the cross.
You must read it that way because of your faulty theology. John said that scripture was fulfilled in that not a bone of Him was broken.
Next thought is that they will look upon Him whom they Israel have pierced.
I think nations is used in respect to denominations. The bosom of Abraham as the invisible presence of God defines the father of many nations.(denominations) no such thing as non denominational it represents specific kinds of denominations . The word kingdom in that sence represent all the kingdoms of this world as in Satan deceives the whole world and not just the Christian world.
As a lying sign and wonder without moving one inch in the desert the father of lires showed Christ all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory in respect to them to include Buddism and others to include the pagan American Indians religions .
Those kingdoms made up of the families of this world will beome the kingdoms of God in the new heavens and earth. The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
As a lying sign and wonder without moving one inch in the desert the father of lires showed Christ all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory in respect to them to include Buddism and others to include the pagan American Indians religions .
Those kingdoms made up of the families of this world will beome the kingdoms of God in the new heavens and earth. The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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VCO good post however it is my understanding that 2/3 of the Jews alive at the beginning of the Tribulations will Die. The only Jews that will live through Daniel's 70th week are those that flee Jerusalem at the time of the AoD. God feeds and protects these. All nations will be ruled through the Israeli Nation with Jesus at the helm.
Those that chose to accept Jesus a their savior, like the counterpart Gentiles are only known to Jesus as his Church. Nothing more.
Hitler killed approximately 1/3 (6 million) of the Jews living at that time as a comparison.
Those that chose to accept Jesus a their savior, like the counterpart Gentiles are only known to Jesus as his Church. Nothing more.
Hitler killed approximately 1/3 (6 million) of the Jews living at that time as a comparison.
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Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
A Jew is one inwardly born of the Spirit of Christ according to the new named he named us... a Jew is a Christian or vice versa. Not all Israel is Israel
Its not something a birth certificate can make .We need rebirth as a must.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the "synagogue of Satan", which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
A Jew is one inwardly born of the Spirit of Christ according to the new named he named us... a Jew is a Christian or vice versa. Not all Israel is Israel
Its not something a birth certificate can make .We need rebirth as a must.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the "synagogue of Satan", which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.