The Rapture

[garee]

They just spiritualize end-time events which allows them to find fulfillment in everything in order to fit their belief. However, all of the prophesies concerning Christ were fulfilled literally and so also will those prophesies that are yet to come be fulfilled literally.

It’s the purpose of metaphors used in parables like the one in Revelation 20 they are designed to hide the spiritual meaning from the lost by reveleing it to His children ..without parables Christ......the word of God .....spoke not.

No literal key….rather we walk (understand by the faith of God the unseen spiritual .Literal chains cannot hold lying spirits, Spirits have no DNA. No such thing as a literal bottomless pit. Not a literal dragon or serpent .The serpent is a lying spirits as a demon who put his words into the mouth of a creature(DNA). In the same way the spirit of Christ put his words into the mouth of an Ass that represented a unbeliever. No literal thousand years a thousand is used as a metaphor throughout the scriptures to represent a unknown as to what ever is in view, time sensitive or food sensitive or not. God who has no DNA does not sit on a literal throne. And souls do not have a literal head that gets cut off. The head we are cut off from because of persecution is Christ our head. The mark is not a literal mark but refers to the number as a metaphor in that parable that God has assigned to natural man (666) a beast of the field (made from the dust, dna)

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[PlainWord]

PlainWord the texts you posted say Jesus is coming soon, not that anyone saw Him come yet and Eusebius writes long after 70A.D.
This is just sad, you have lost your blessed hope.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


Another thing is, I wanna ask yall how many of yall have EVER heard of or even known a single Christian who is preterist? I have not met ONE. And I know Christians from all over the world and have been all over from Nigeria to Israel to USA to Estonia to Romania and NOWHERE have I ever met a preterist, before I hopped on this forum I didn't even know what that was.
So that to me is a warning sign in itself, new and strange doctrines indeed.

PS: I couldn't care less about Gary DeMar he has no authority over me whatsoever.

I'm sorry, does Titus start out like this?

Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, [SUP]3 [/SUP]but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior; [SUP]4 [/SUP]To Issachar92, a true son in our common faith...

Was Paul telling you to look for that blessed hope or was he telling Titus? Why do so many on here want to take prophetic words of scripture that dealt with the end of Israel and apply it to themselves when NOTHING tells us that we can do so!!! Nowhere do the events spoken of by Jesus and the apostles which were to come to their generation state that they instead applied to a period thousands of years into the future.

I'm happy to take into account that you are the same age as my son so you haven't had the time to really dig into the scriptures as much as I have. I have been to 45 countries including your country twice so not sure being well traveled proves any doctrine. Rather than criticize, you should feel blessed that you are finally being exposed to the truth, whether you recognize it as such or not.

I grew up in a Christian fundamental church that preached a future world-wide great tribulation and pre-trib future rapture. It took most of my life to finally see this teaching as the heresy it truly is. Futurists totally ignore the 70 AD event and all the related events of the end of that age and instead skip over it and assign it to the future. It is human nature to want things to be relevant to us in our life but wanting is not the same as having.

 

[PlainWord]

When Paul starts out a letter, he addresses it. When I write a letter (or usually email now) I address it to the person(s) who I want to receive what I am about to say. So, why do all of you want to take a letter which was addressed to someone else, scratch off their names and substitute your own? This is allegorizing to the max!! You guys do it, not me.

Case in point, let's take the famous "rapture" letter and see who it was addressed to:

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ..

Now most people (capable of basic reading comprehension) would safely assume that Paul had a message for the Christian church of the Thessalonians in Greece and not to some distant people (most of whom weren't even descendants) thousands of years into the future.

Lets do a little exercise shall we? Lets take some passages and determine if Paul was still talking to the Thessalonians (them) or a world thousands of years later (us).

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Them or us?)

We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers... (Them or us?)

...as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. (Them or us?)

you became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction (Them or us?)

so that you became examples to all in Macedonia and Achaia who believe. (Them or us? How many of us were examples in Macedonia and Achaia?)

and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God... (Them or us?) I never served any idols. How many of you did??

...and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. (Them or us?)

If you say "us" to this last one where does the transition take place from them to us? Paul was just discussing them turning away from idols and telling them to wait for the SON to deliver us (them) from the wrath to come. So I ask again, where is the transition verse? Where do we go from the first century to some future century thousands of years into Paul's future?

The text stays with them. Next verse:

For you yourselves know, brethren, that our coming to you was not in vain (Them or us?).

Where is there any hint that Paul makes this jump??? Hmmmm?????? Why have so many of you lost your basic reading skills? You are the ones allegorizing, not me.

 

[Denadii]

This, is figurative language used by Jesus to describe His divine punishment to come upon Jerusalem:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

It means divine judgment. We see this same figurative language employed on at least 3 separate occasions in the OT:

1. Destruction of Egypt by the Babylonians (Eze 32)
2. Destruction of Babylon by the Medes (Isa 13)
3. Destruction of the Idumeans (Edom) by the Romans (Isa 34)

You need to recognize the figurative meaning of the sun and moon and what they represent. In short, they represent safety/security. We get this from Psalm 104:

[SUP]19 [/SUP]He appointed the moon for seasons; The sun knows its going down. [SUP]20 [/SUP]You make darkness, and it is night, In which all the beasts of the forest creep about. [SUP]21 [/SUP]The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God. [SUP]22 [/SUP]When the sun rises, they gather together And lie down in their dens. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Man goes out to his work And to his labor until the evening.

When the sun and moon are "darkened" it means danger is looming. The presence of the sun and moon are good. The absence of their light is bad. In the below we see figuratively that the sun and moon's brightness "increases" when the Lord was with them, protecting them.

Isa 30: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, And the light of the sun will be sevenfold, As the light of seven days, In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people And heals the stroke of their wound.

The above cannot be taken literally because a seven fold increase in the intensity of the sun would kill everything on the planet.

Actually he meant to say "The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light." You philosophizing will not change that

 

[Issachar92]

PlainWord you are saying Paul didn't write the letter of Titus to me.
Well 2 Timothy 3:16 says otherwise.
And another thing, if you were to be consistent with the way you talk about audience-relevancy you should throw the entire bible in the trash bin. None of it is for you.

The reason why the early church preserved and taught from those epistles that you claim aren't written to me is because the early church believed them to be God-breathed a.k.a canonical Scripture WHICH IS beneficial for us today not just to the people it was originally sent to.
If you claim the letter to Titus is only for him then that was a short lived book.

So aside all this chaos and confusion: Lets recap:

In the preterist system 2nd coming has happened, the resurrection (rapture) has happened, the end of the world (or age as they say) has happened.

So what do yall got left? You are just waiting for the world to keep turning for eternity and people to live and die and go to heaven? No end in sight? Whatever happened to the "death will be swallowed up in victory". Or let me guess: it was fulfilled in 70A.D. in a spiritual resurrection?

 

[VCO]

It’s the purpose of metaphors used in parables like the one in Revelation 20 they are designed to hide the spiritual meaning from the lost by reveleing it to His children ..without parables Christ......the word of God .....spoke not.
. . .

IT IS LITERAL, and all your vain efforts to explain it away as metaphors, will not spare you one bit.

So what excuse will you have, when HE proves you wrong?

 

[VCO]

So you're saying that the "He that Lets" Or as in the CJB [SUP]7 [/SUP]For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way." You're saying that's the Holy Spirit? Really?

Why would God take the Holy Spirit out of the world? Didn't we read that in the tribulation period there are people getting saved? If the Holy Spirit is gone? How would anybody get saved? Nobody can get saved without the Father draws them. John 6:44 So.....It cannot be the Holy
Spirit that restrains.... He is needed here during the tribulation....

AMAZING false Theology you have there, limiting the Power of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit had no problem saving people in the Old Testament, prior to HIS being sent to indwell Believers of the Church-age as Comforter.

Somehow, You have overlooked the FACT that the Wedding of the Lamb Takes place IN HEAVEN.

Revelation 19:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!'" And he added, "These are the true words of God."

The Wedding Supper in a Jewish Wedding is the final event in a WEEK LONG WEDDING CEREMONY. Is that a WEEK of days or a WEEK of YEARS in Heaven. It does not say, but I LEAN Towards a Week of Years, the Same week as the 70th Week of Daniel. NOW WHEN WE GO TO HEAVEN FOR THAT CEREMONY, WE ARE GUARANTEED THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE THERE.


John 14:16-17 (GW)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper {Comforter in the KJV} who will be with you forever.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.


So how is it you do not know this?

Are you sure you know HIM?

What has hindered the full display of this spirit? We believe that the presence of the Holy Spirit indwelling the church and indwelling every believer has been the restraining power. He will continue to exercise this function until He is taken out of the way, that is, at the Rapture.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

Who or what is restraining the satanically empowered movement against God's law and is postponing the revelation of the man of sin? Some say it is the Roman Empire. But the empire has long vanished and "the holder back" is not yet revealed. Another suggestion is that this is Satan, but it is difficult to see why he would hold back sin. Others suggest that human governments are holding back sin and the revealing of the Antichrist. But human governments will not end prior to the Antichrist's unveiling. Nor do all governments restrain sin; many encourage it!

The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with sufficient (supernatural) power to do this restraining. Some object to this being the Holy Spirit on the grounds that to katechon in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is neuter ("what is holding back"). But this is no problem for two reasons: (a) The neuter is sometimes used of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-14). (b) In 2 Thessalonians 2:7 the words are masculine: ho katechōn, the one who... holds it back. How does He do it? Through Christians, whom He indwells and through whom He works in society to hold back the swelling tide of lawless living. How will He be taken out of the way? When the church leaves the earth in the Rapture, the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way in the sense that His unique lawlessness-restraining ministry through God's people will be removed (cf. Gen. 6:3). The removal of the Restrainer at the time of the Rapture must obviously precede the day of the Lord. Paul's reasoning is thus a strong argument for the pretribulational Rapture: the Thessalonians were not in the Great Tribulation because the Rapture had not yet occurred.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

Lawlessness will continue to get worse and worse, but the Holy Spirit will not let Satan go all the way in this age. When the Holy Spirit will be removed, it will be like taking the stopper out of the bottle -- the liquid of lawlessness will pour out all over the world in that day.
When will the Holy Spirit be taken out? He will be taken out with the church. Won't the Holy Spirit be in the world during the Great Tribulation? Yes. Wasn't He in the world before Pentecost? He surely was. He was present in the days of the Old Testament, but He was on a different mission. And He will be on a different mission after the church is removed. Now the Spirit of God is sealing us until the day of redemption when He will present us and deliver us to the Lord Jesus. If He didn't do that, we would never make it.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

 

[Denadii]

AMAZING false Theology you have there, limiting the Power of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit had no problem saving people in the Old Testament, prior to HIS being sent to indwell Believers of the Church-age as Comforter.

Somehow, You have overlooked the FACT that the Wedding of the Lamb Takes place IN HEAVEN.

Revelation 19:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!'" And he added, "These are the true words of God."

The Wedding Supper in a Jewish Wedding is the final event in a WEEK LONG WEDDING CEREMONY. Is that a WEEK of days or a WEEK of YEARS in Heaven. It does not say, but I LEAN Towards a Week of Years, the Same week as the 70th Week of Daniel. NOW WHEN WE GO TO HEAVEN FOR THAT CEREMONY, WE ARE GUARANTEED THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE THERE.


John 14:16-17 (GW)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper {Comforter in the KJV} who will be with you forever.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.


So how is it you do not know this?

Are you sure you know HIM?

I have said what I said. The Holy Spirit is not the one who restrains....We are! We are the ones who hold Satan back. Have you heard of us being Kings and Priests...Do you think that's an empty or symbolic position? The one who restrains is the Bride.
I have NO confidence in your commentaries either..Commentaries are nothing but the opinions of men and can change if the man gets a bit of undigested beef stuck in his pipes. J Vernon Mcgee. I have nothing to say about him. I've listened to him when I was first a Christian...Still have nothing to say about him.

 

[tanakh]

PlainWord you are saying Paul didn't write the letter of Titus to me.
Well 2 Timothy 3:16 says otherwise.
And another thing, if you were to be consistent with the way you talk about audience-relevancy you should throw the entire bible in the trash bin. None of it is for you.

The reason why the early church preserved and taught from those epistles that you claim aren't written to me is because the early church believed them to be God-breathed a.k.a canonical Scripture WHICH IS beneficial for us today not just to the people it was originally sent to.
If you claim the letter to Titus is only for him then that was a short lived book.

So aside all this chaos and confusion: Lets recap:

In the preterist system 2nd coming has happened, the resurrection (rapture) has happened, the end of the world (or age as they say) has happened.

So what do yall got left? You are just waiting for the world to keep turning for eternity and people to live and die and go to heaven? No end in sight? Whatever happened to the "death will be swallowed up in victory". Or let me guess: it was fulfilled in 70A.D. in a spiritual resurrection?

The Preterist view of things was invented by a Jesuit Priest by the name of Luis de Alcazar in order to refute the charge by the reformers that the Pope was the Antichrist. He published a book entitled Vestigatio Arcani Senses in Apocalyptic. It was published in Antwerp in 1614. To sum it up he said that almost all of revelation had happened so the Pope couldnt possibly be the Antichrist.

Another Jesuit by the name of Francisco Ribera took a different route with the same aim by writing a commentary on Revelation that placed the Antichrist centuries ahead of his time along with a number major Dispensational assertions still around today.

 

[Burninglight]

The rapture teaches a pretribulation view of Christ's return. I can find no support for it Scripturally.

 

[Burninglight]

I have said what I said. The Holy Spirit is not the one who restrains....We are! We are the ones who hold Satan back. Have you heard of us being Kings and Priests...Do you think that's an empty or symbolic position? The one who restrains is the Bride.
I have NO confidence in your commentaries either..Commentaries are nothing but the opinions of men and can change if the man gets a bit of undigested beef stuck in his pipes. J Vernon Mcgee. I have nothing to say about him. I've listened to him when I was first a Christian...Still have nothing to say about him.

Some say the restrainer is the Holy Spirit some say the Church but the Scripture tells who it is in Daniel 12. That is who Paul was referring to.

 

[PlainWord]

Actually he meant to say "The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light." You philosophizing will not change that

Was this a feeble attempt at a rebuttal? Thought so.

 

[Issachar92]

I wanna throw a lil' challenge at the amillennial and preterist folks out here:

How do yall interpret Ezekiel 40-48 and Isaiah 11?

I already know how y'all interpret Revelation 20 which to me is weird too because Jesus returns at chapter 19 and you telling me we are in chapter 20 already.

 

[tanakh]

The rapture teaches a pretribulation view of Christ's return. I can find no support for it Scripturally.

The resurrection of the righteous dead and the snatching away of those living at the second coming are taught in the scriptures. What isn't taught is that it happens before the tribulation. This is part of the Dispensationalist theology that was invented by a Jesuit Priest called Francisco Ribera who wrote a commentary on Revelation in 1590 to counter the claim that the Pope was the Antichrist. There is a historic ''Paper Trail'' that leads from him all the way to the present day which would take too long to explain here.

 

[PlainWord]

PlainWord you are saying Paul didn't write the letter of Titus to me.
Well 2 Timothy 3:16 says otherwise.
And another thing, if you were to be consistent with the way you talk about audience-relevancy you should throw the entire bible in the trash bin. None of it is for you.

The Bible is certainly for instruction and edification for all believers. No argument on that. But do not equate that by thinking all prophesy relates to you also. It doesn't. Also, when Paul is providing personal message to someone or a church, that message applied to them specifically. Some of us may gain from the message also, others won't. But again do not add 2,000 years to things which Paul said those of his day would witness. There is no scriptural basis for doing that.

The reason why the early church preserved and taught from those epistles that you claim aren't written to me is because the early church believed them to be God-breathed a.k.a canonical Scripture WHICH IS beneficial for us today not just to the people it was originally sent to.
If you claim the letter to Titus is only for him then that was a short lived book.

Ditto my above comments. If Paul's adulation for giving up idol worship edifies you, then good for you. If it's not applicable, then it's not applicable. See what I mean?

In the preterist system 2nd coming has happened, the resurrection (rapture) has happened, the end of the world (or age as they say) has happened.

Again, the "second coming" as you understand it from Mt 24:30 indeed happened. The first resurrection mentioned in Rev 20:5 also happened. It was a spiritual resurrection for those in Sheol trapped there with no way to heaven until the Cross. 1 Cor 15 teaches us about different types of bodies. The spiritual body is not made up of corruptible material as corruptible material cannot enter heaven. Those who "slept in the dust of the earth" who were saved went to heaven, the dust itself remained in the ground. Since they were risen in the spiritual realm the event would be nearly invisible to those on earth at the time although two Roman historians may have recorded seeing something. I can go into much more detail about how 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thes 4 worked back then and how they work today, if interested.

The second resurrection is for all those who died without Christ after the "1,000" years for judgment. For any believer today, we do not require the resurrection because our soul passes from death to life upon accepting Christ (1 John 3:14). When we die, we are immediately taken to heaven and have glorified bodies. There have been countless witnesses to this by those who suffered a NDE.

So what do yall got left? You are just waiting for the world to keep turning for eternity and people to live and die and go to heaven? No end in sight? Whatever happened to the "death will be swallowed up in victory". Or let me guess: it was fulfilled in 70A.D. in a spiritual resurrection?

EXACTLY!!! - Now you have it. This is what the writer of Hebrews teaches us:

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.

Therefore the "changing" of the living in 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thes 4 is a spiritual changing. This happened in 70 AD at the end of the Law. The Law brought forth spiritual death, Christ brought salvation from spiritual, NOT PHYSICAL DEATH.

The earth must continue, otherwise what is there to reign over?? Both the Psalmist and Solomon taught that the earth was to last forever.

Most people totally misunderstand what is happening in 1 Thes 4. The Lord's (both Father and Son) presence (parousia) returned in 66 AD at the start of the War of the Jews on the day Christ's half-brother (James, the Just) was killed and Vespasian arrived. Many signs were seen and are detailed by Josephus. Remember, the disciples asked for the signs? Christ's presence remained until the conclusion of the War in 70 AD where He interceded against the Jews throughout the war.

During this time the OT saints and pre- 70 AD dead saints were freed from Sheol and were resurrected into new spiritual bodies. They met the Lord in the "air" (aer - meaning to breathe). Thus the physically dead proceeded those who were still alive and remaining. Then the living were caught up (harpazo) to meet them in the glory cloud in spirit just as Paul was caught up (harpazo) in the spirit in 2 Cor 12 to heaven.

 

[PlainWord]

I wanna throw a lil' challenge at the amillennial and preterist folks out here:

How do yall interpret Ezekiel 40-48 and Isaiah 11?

I already know how y'all interpret Revelation 20 which to me is weird too because Jesus returns at chapter 19 and you telling me we are in chapter 20 already.

Great question. Are you ready for a great answer? RE: Eze 40-48, this is the key passage:

Eze 43: [SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.

God had Ezekiel show the people the pattern for the second temple that God wanted them to have IF THEY WERE ASHAMED of their sins and changed their ways. They weren't ashamed and did not change their ways so they got instead the much smaller and less grand second temple.

 

[VCO]

I have said what I said. The Holy Spirit is not the one who restrains....We are! We are the ones who hold Satan back. Have you heard of us being Kings and Priests...Do you think that's an empty or symbolic position? The one who restrains is the Bride.
I have NO confidence in your commentaries either..Commentaries are nothing but the opinions of men and can change if the man gets a bit of undigested beef stuck in his pipes. J Vernon Mcgee. I have nothing to say about him. I've listened to him when I was first a Christian...Still have nothing to say about him.

OH NO, we are in serious trouble Trouble if you crazy theology is true. Our position in His 1000 Year Kingdom as Priests have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HERE AND NOW. AND THE ONLY KING in that KINGDOM will Be JESUS CHRIST:

Zechariah 14:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.


Now Here is the verse that tells YOU, specifically that YOU ARE NOT the one who can hold back Satan from coming to full power as Antichrist, THAT GLORY BELONGS SOLELY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. I would suggest you repent of that macho attitude Prov. 16:18, before He has to serve you a big dish of Humble Pie.


1 John 4:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ {Deity} has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he {Antichrist} who is in the world.


Romans 3:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we before laid to the charge both of Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one;


Romans 15:13 (NCV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I pray that the God who gives hope will fill you with much joy and peace while you trust in him. Then your hope will overflow by the power of the Holy Spirit.


1 Thessalonians 1:5-6 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] how that our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And ye became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit;
Romans 7:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.


Judges 14:6 (NCV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The Spirit of the LORD entered Samson with great power, and he tore the lion apart with his bare hands. For him it was as easy as tearing apart a young goat. But Samson did not tell his father or mother what he had done.

Samson could only do what he did except by the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, and you think you can do anything good without the Spirit, even HOLD BACK SATAN from coming to FULL POWER by indwelling a Dictator that becomes the Antichrist. You don't know HOW MUCH YOU REALLY NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT to do even one good thing. Dream on Dreamer, you rob the GLORY that belongs to the HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[VCO]

The rapture teaches a pretribulation view of Christ's return. I can find no support for it Scripturally.

You need some anitbiotic eyedrops for that eye infection. The Parable of Ten Virgins is all about the Calling Out OF THE BRIDE to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.


John 14:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if not, I would have told you. I am going away to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If I go away and prepare a place for you, I will come back and receive you to Myself, so that where I am you may be also.


NOTICE on that stop in the Clouds HE DID NOT SAY HE WAS COMING BACK TO BE WITH US ON EARTH. The Son of Man appears near our old dwelling to CALL OUT HIS BRIDE TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB in Heaven. THE KING of kings COMES BACK TO SET FOOT ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES SPITTING IT IN TWO, to make an escape route for the 144,000, and to MAKE WAR ON THE NATIONS ATTACKING JERUSALEM. Read Zecharia Chapter 14, and please read my post #22 on page 2.

 

[VCO]

The resurrection of the righteous dead and the snatching away of those living at the second coming are taught in the scriptures. What isn't taught is that it happens before the tribulation. This is part of the Dispensationalist theology that was invented by a Jesuit Priest called Francisco Ribera who wrote a commentary on Revelation in 1590 to counter the claim that the Pope was the Antichrist. There is a historic ''Paper Trail'' that leads from him all the way to the present day which would take too long to explain here.

I am glad you finally GOT OFF BLAMING DARBY. But I can trace it back to quotes from the 200's.

HERE IS THE PAPER TRAIL GOD LEFT YOU:


Matthew 25:1-13 (NCV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to wait for the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The five foolish bridesmaids took their lamps, but they did not take more oil for the lamps to burn.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The wise bridesmaids took their lamps and more oil in jars.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Because the bridegroom was late, they became sleepy and went to sleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “At midnight someone cried out, ’The bridegroom is coming! Come and meet him!’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the wise, ’Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The wise bridesmaids answered, ’No, the oil we have might not be enough for all of us. Go to the people who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the others came back and said, ’Sir, sir, open the door to let us in.’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But the bridegroom answered, ’I tell you the truth, I don’t want to know you.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “So always be ready, because you don’t know
the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.


That tells me 50% of the people who call themselves Christians, do not get an INVITE to the Wedding in Heaven, because they failed to be ready. Therefore it has to be before the Seven Year Peace Treaty with Israel and her enemies is signed, Dan. 9:27, because THAT EVENT WILL BE HEADLINE NEWS ON EVERY TV CHANNEL. AND then everyone can count to see which DAY is exactly 3.5 Years into that Peace Treaty, and EXACTLY which DAY is the last DAY of that Seven Years.


Revelation 19:9 (NCV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the angel said to me, “Write this: Happy are those who have been invited to the wedding meal of the Lamb!“ And the angel said, “These are the true words of God.“



My guess is the 50% who did not go to Wedding in Mat. 25, are the SAME 50% who did not get an INVITE.

I got mine, how about you?

 

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The resurrection of the righteous dead and the snatching away of those living at the second coming are taught in the scriptures. What isn't taught is that it happens before the tribulation. This is part of the Dispensationalist theology that was invented by a Jesuit Priest called Francisco Ribera who wrote a commentary on Revelation in 1590 to counter the claim that the Pope was the Antichrist. There is a historic ''Paper Trail'' that leads from him all the way to the present day which would take too long to explain here.

I am glad you finally GOT OFF BLAMING DARBY. But I can trace it back to quotes from the 200's.

HERE IS THE PAPER TRAIL GOD LEFT YOU:


Matthew 25:1-13 (NCV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to wait for the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The five foolish bridesmaids took their lamps, but they did not take more oil for the lamps to burn.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The wise bridesmaids took their lamps and more oil in jars.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Because the bridegroom was late, they became sleepy and went to sleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “At midnight someone cried out, ’The bridegroom is coming! Come and meet him!’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the wise, ’Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The wise bridesmaids answered, ’No, the oil we have might not be enough for all of us. Go to the people who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the others came back and said, ’Sir, sir, open the door to let us in.’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But the bridegroom answered, ’I tell you the truth, I don’t want to know you.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “So always be ready, because you don’t know
the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.


That tells me 50% of the people who call themselves Christians, do not get an INVITE to the Wedding in Heaven, because they failed to be ready. Therefore it has to be before the Seven Year Peace Treaty with Israel and her enemies is signed, Dan. 9:27, because THAT EVENT WILL BE HEADLINE NEWS ON EVERY TV CHANNEL. AND then everyone can count to see which DAY is exactly 3.5 Years into that Peace Treaty, and EXACTLY which DAY is the last DAY of that Seven Years.


Revelation 19:9 (NCV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the angel said to me, “Write this: Happy are those who have been invited to the wedding meal of the Lamb!“ And the angel said, “These are the true words of God.“



My guess is the 50% who did not go to Wedding in Mat. 25, are the SAME 50% who did not get an INVITE.

I got mine, how about you?