Not By Works
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Zmouth,
It's kind of difficult to see that tiny writing.
From what I know, it's accepted that John the Apostle wrote the gospel of John and the 3 epistles and also Revelation.
You could tell by how he referred to himself in the first person.
He is referred to as the Beloved Disciple and this was certainly John the Apostle.
John 21:20, 23.24.
Irenaeus testifies to the effect that this is John, son of Zebedee.
(He was an early Church theologian).
Yes. The known world was under one ruler. Caesar means god. Caesers were gods, until they got sick or died, then they realized they weren't gods after all. But it must have been nice for them to be treated as one since they were pagans all the way.
And no, I do not know Latin.
Thanks for the info.
It's kind of difficult to see that tiny writing.
From what I know, it's accepted that John the Apostle wrote the gospel of John and the 3 epistles and also Revelation.
You could tell by how he referred to himself in the first person.
He is referred to as the Beloved Disciple and this was certainly John the Apostle.
John 21:20, 23.24.
Irenaeus testifies to the effect that this is John, son of Zebedee.
(He was an early Church theologian).
Yes. The known world was under one ruler. Caesar means god. Caesers were gods, until they got sick or died, then they realized they weren't gods after all. But it must have been nice for them to be treated as one since they were pagans all the way.
And no, I do not know Latin.
Thanks for the info.
E
Yeah read romans 6
We have been baptized into his body
We have been baptized into his death
That just as he lived, WE SHALL LIVE ALSO.
You di dnot do any of it peter. God did it all. But you want to take credit, So sad.
PS, God does not use Peters defenition of sin, He uses his own. And you can not live up to that standard peter. No one can, Only Christ did.
When will you stop watering down Gods law. and give your life to him peter.
P
Hello PH. Maybe you didn't see what I asked earlier. Perfectly understandable with how quickly pages pile up in this thread.
So again. Can you tell me what works the thief on the cross did to attain, maintain, or prove his salvation?
Also. Are you saying that ALL deathbed conversions are null and void because those people didn't do any works?
What about the Corinthian guy doing the works of having sex with his mother? Paul tells us that his spirit will be raised on the last day.
Finally, can you tell me how many, and what exact works are necessary to attain, maintain, or prove you are saved, and I'm guessing you never really know til death if you are saved or not?
I know a lot of questions, but I'm a little pressed for time, so I put them all in one post.
Thanks
So again. Can you tell me what works the thief on the cross did to attain, maintain, or prove his salvation?
Also. Are you saying that ALL deathbed conversions are null and void because those people didn't do any works?
What about the Corinthian guy doing the works of having sex with his mother? Paul tells us that his spirit will be raised on the last day.
Finally, can you tell me how many, and what exact works are necessary to attain, maintain, or prove you are saved, and I'm guessing you never really know til death if you are saved or not?
I know a lot of questions, but I'm a little pressed for time, so I put them all in one post.
Thanks
E
They preach we must obey gods commands, which would include the law. yet they do not see how the law teaches no lay person could ever atone for their own sin, The high priest had to do it, and in order to do it, he had to slaughter a perfect unblemished lamb.
It seems the law has not yet done it job in these people yet.
E
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, [SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]6 [/SUP]whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, [SUP]7 [/SUP]that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.[SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
The works in vs 8 are not to save us, or maintain salvation, Paul proved that in verse 5.
Paul did not contradict himself.
The works in vs 8 are not to save us, or maintain salvation, Paul proved that in verse 5.
Paul did not contradict himself.
P
To 'attain' salvation.
I see you don't understand the argument either.
Oh, well.
And of course, we can all have a dead faith and it will save us because a poor slob was nailed on a cross and could only move his lips to ask Jesus to remember him, yet was saved despite his 'dead' faith. Will the madness ever stop?
I see you don't understand the argument either.
Oh, well.
And of course, we can all have a dead faith and it will save us because a poor slob was nailed on a cross and could only move his lips to ask Jesus to remember him, yet was saved despite his 'dead' faith. Will the madness ever stop?
