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JIMBO43

JIMBO43

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Hallelujah there is rejoicing in heaven Jesus has freed us from the condemnation of the law... he has won the battle for the believer who wants to repent...

I am free from the condemnation of the law God has handed me over to christ.. Christ has lifted my burden... im free..

But i know i will still be subject to the law if i mess up.. I just hope i dont and if do i hope christ will lift me up again..
 
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limey410

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JIMBO43 said:
The start of an argument can be like the first break in a dam....we are in structed to stop it befor it goes any further..


But yet in other paragraphs it say where two can come into agreement there shall be rejoicing... meaning some argements are welcomed...

How ever arguing about the law when i am free from the law and condemnation and conviction of the law is not real an argument no more for me...

It may have been when my tounge wasnt as muchly tamed lol..


But now the law of the spirit is what sets me free from the of wages and death...

Now where people free from the sin of wages of sin and death in the old testement ...? yes they where if they toed the line and didnt sin......


Men of the old t have been taken up to God and Some captives have been set free..

So for those in the spirit who have been set free from this are still subject to it if they mess up they still need to repent...
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Amen Jim! We agree that Christ is King and He saved us from death. Praise Him!!
 
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limey410 said:
Amen Jim! We agree that Christ is King and He saved us from death. Praise Him!!
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Not forgetting tho that the son (christ is still under the law of the spirit.. meaning It is the father who first saves us and it is christ who keeps us saved from council of the holy spirit..
 
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limey410

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JIMBO43 said:
Not forgetting tho that the son (christ is still under the law of the spirit.. meaning It is the father who first saves us and it is christ who keeps us saved from council of the holy spirit..
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I love and pray for you Jimbo, you have a heart to seek the truth.

What does the picture in your avatar represent? I like it.
 
Stephen63

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John 10:7So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8“All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. 11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12“He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13“He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14“I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Context: the church (spiritual sheep, christians)

The thief (Satan) Steals, kills, destroys both physically & spiritually.

Spiritually destroying sheep is, yeah, all the way.


 
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True and cant argue with that stephen. The free from condemnation of the law has really been twisted in my oppinion.

The scripture and meaning of free from condemnation of the law should be read you have to feel it befor you can be free of it...

My avatar repersent brother in arms nothing more nothing less..


The arc angels abide by this law.. who protect us..:)


God bless the king.. all the way.
 
dcontroversal

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those who chose wilful blindness over knowledge can never be convinced by logic because they do not really have the LOGOS; (sound logical mind of God), if they did they would not regurgitate easily proven lies. Knowing this first that sin is completely illogical and unintelligent, an impulse of the belly rather than sound reasoning. Come let us reason together sayith the Lord..
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Your posts reek of the above described blindness....sinless perfectionism and works for....easily proven lies....maybe you should take your own advice.......The WORD escapes your ability to logically and deductively reason.......
 
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limey410 said:


Jimbo,

You forgot the rest of that scripture. " but to fulfill the law"

Fulfill means to complete. He came to complete the Law.


Rom 4 :14

For the law brings about wrath: for where there is no law there is no transgression

Rom 6 :14

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Rom 7: 4

Therefore my brethren you have become dead to the law through the body of Christ

Rom 7: 5

For when we were in the flesh the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work within our members to bear fruit to death

What does Paul mean here when he says we are not under law, but under grace ?

What does he mean Rom 4:14 when he says where there is no law there is no transgression ?

What does Paul mean when he says we are dead to the law through Christ in Rom 7:4 ?

What does Paul mean when he says the law arouses sin in Rom 7:5 ?


If you are resurrected in Christ you are no longer under law.

Matthew 11 : 28-30

28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
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Jesus satisfied the requirements of the law....100% obedience.....for by One man death and condemnation came unto all.....and by ONE MAN life and redemption......for humaniry to be redeemable there had to be ONE.....Praise JESUS AND HIS WORK!
 
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JIMBO43 said:
condemnation is the works in the law that leads to conviction from the holy spirit... the law is holy holy holy ........ i tell you :cool:
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You tell me Jimbo but I still don't like condemnation.


I am fine with the word conviction, but if you want to redefine condemnation it's your choice.

Still love you bro.

Nice songs. Thanks.
 
dcontroversal

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Stephen63 said:
John 10:7So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8“All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. 11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12“He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13“He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. 14“I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Context: the church (spiritual sheep, christians)

The thief (Satan) Steals, kills, destroys both physically & spiritually.

Spiritually destroying sheep is, yeah, all the way.
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Plenteous in number will be the amount that attempts this door that leads to hell......they boast in works and self while claiming to know Jesus.......sounds familiar.....as in the workers for and sinless perfectionists......
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
everyone said the titanic would never sink... but it did meaning nothing is the done deal until its over........
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Everyone hey...........pretty broad brush stroke.......MANY would be the word......!
 
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willybob said:
those who chose wilful blindness over knowledge can never be convinced by logic because they do not really have the LOGOS; (sound logical mind of God), if they did they would not regurgitate easily proven lies. Knowing this first that sin is completely illogical and unintelligent, an impulse of the belly rather than sound reasoning. Come let us reason together sayith the Lord..
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Who exactly is choosing "willful blindness over knowledge"?

I chose God's wisdom over earthly knowledge any day.

Yes sin is illogical.

If you judge people by their "logic" most will fail your test,

What "easily proven lies" are you accusing people of throwing up?

I was having a nice convo with my bro Jimbo.

I don't think we have ever really spoken directly to each other so I don't know who you are.
 
dcontroversal

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Ariel82 said:
The Mosaic law was given after Mount Sinai when Israel refuse to listen to God directly and demanded a prophet to speak to them instead of hearing God speak.

It was given in love also but having the Holy Spirit is better than the written laws on stone, because God speaks directly to our hearts.
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Not to mention the law proves all are guilty and fall short....NO MAN CAN KEEP THE ENTIRE LAW 100% of the time 24/7/365.........it points us to the ONLY CURE faith in Jesus and HIS FINISHED WORK!
 
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Ariel82 said:
Without grace, it's all just clouds without rain.

I have already spoken on the need for repentance.

There is only one baptism that saves and it's not John's.
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Workers for and or sinless perfectionists ALWAYS INTERJECT some sort of religious work or ceremonial obeyance of some law or religious "sacriment" to embellish what Christ has already accomplished....
 
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JIMBO43 said:
condemnation is the works in the law that leads to conviction from the holy spirit... the law is holy holy holy ........ i tell you :cool:
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The law is also for the LAWLESS..........and those who have trusted Christ BIBLICALLY ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW because the righteousness of CHRIST WITHOUT THE LAW HAS BEEN IMPUTED UNTO THOSE WHO BELIEVE dia the blood and faith!
 
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limey410

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One of my faves !! That song Jimbo, I surrender
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not to mention the law proves all are guilty and fall short....NO MAN CAN KEEP THE ENTIRE LAW 100% of the time 24/7/365.........it points us to the ONLY CURE faith in Jesus and HIS FINISHED WORK!
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The logic of this statement is Jesus is not calling us to be righteous.
But in other words Jesus is saying we stay in our sins?

If we are not Holy and pure, what hope is there for us? Isaiah was purified,
and so are we. How is it believers cannot see the power of the cross yet claim
it is everything, then deny its real victory.

The walk, putting on the new self is a work of grace, and a choice.
Legalism comes from a lack of the Holy Spirit not believing in righteousness.
 
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limey410

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PeterJens said:
The logic of this statement is Jesus is not calling us to be righteous.
But in other words Jesus is saying we stay in our sins?

If we are not Holy and pure, what hope is there for us? Isaiah was purified,
and so are we. How is it believers cannot see the power of the cross yet claim
it is everything, then deny its real victory.

The walk, putting on the new self is a work of grace, and a choice.
Legalism comes from a lack of the Holy Spirit not believing in righteousness.
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How can you possibly get that from what dcon wrote?
 
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