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willybob

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Actually James says it to believers, not the wicked. Just after he warns them that not many people should be teachers. Just before he tells us the difference between earthly demonic wisdom and heavenly wisdom.

It's one of the chapters I read a lot to help me learn discernment and determine who I listen to concerning doctrines versus who is spiritually immature.
what does it mean to be a believer in scripture?
 
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willybob

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those who chose wilful blindness over knowledge can never be convinced by logic because they do not really have the LOGOS; (sound logical mind of God), if they did they would not regurgitate easily proven lies. Knowing this first that sin is completely illogical and unintelligent, an impulse of the belly rather than sound reasoning. Come let us reason together sayith the Lord..
 
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willybob

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Don't know about you, but the God I worship is stronger than human pride.

Most have stated that AFTER being saved by GOD, HE will teach people how to live godly lives. So the endless straw man that folks teach a licentious gospel is getting old.
this sounds good, but without the baptism of repentance whereas the rebellion stops and the flesh is crucified (2 Cor. 71-11) its all fluff and misleading...

what does worship mean in scripture?
 
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limey410

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mathew 5:17 17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law..



Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law.

Conclusion

The punishment of the law has changed for the christians that all nothing more or nothing less have a nice day..


Jimbo,

You forgot the rest of that scripture. " but to fulfill the law"

Fulfill means to complete. He came to complete the Law.


Rom 4 :14

For the law brings about wrath: for where there is no law there is no transgression


Rom 6 :14

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Rom 7: 4

Therefore my brethren you have become dead to the law through the body of Christ

Rom 7: 5

For when we were in the flesh the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work within our members to bear fruit to death


What does Paul mean here when he says we are not under law, but under grace ?

What does he mean Rom 4:14 when he says where there is no law there is no transgression ?

What does Paul mean when he says we are dead to the law through Christ in Rom 7:4 ?

What does Paul mean when he says the law arouses sin in Rom 7:5 ?


If you are resurrected in Christ you are no longer under law.

Matthew 11 : 28-30

28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 
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limey410

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^^^ In addition Jimbo, the Law through faith is the Law of the Spirit of Life that is now written on our hearts, it is NOT the Mosaic law.

Romans 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
 
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<<<<<<The tounge>>>>>>.

The book of james chapter 3 it possesses its place in our body And spreads evil through are whole being..

Brother and sisters this should not happen but it does.

Think of a forest that is set on fire by one small leaf..

The tounge is like a fire it sets a blaze are whole Body and corrupts it with evil..

In some bibles this paragraph is titleld taming the tounge and in others its just titleld the tounge..

It seems we can tame it but oh boy do need help with that..
 
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^^^ In addition Jimbo, the Law through faith is the Law of the Spirit of Life that is now written on our hearts, it is NOT the Mosaic law.

Romans 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
The start of an argument can be like the first break in a dam....we are in structed to stop it befor it goes any further..


But yet in other paragraphs it say where two can come into agreement there shall be rejoicing... meaning some argements are welcomed...

How ever arguing about the law when i am free from the law and condemnation and conviction of the law is not real an argument no more for me...

It may have been when my tounge wasnt as muchly tamed lol..


But now the law of the spirit is what sets me free from the of wages and death...

Now where people free from the sin of wages of sin and death in the old testement ...? yes they where if they toed the line and didnt sin......


Men of the old t have been taken up to God and Some captives have been set free..

So for those in the spirit who have been set free from this are still subject to it if they mess up they still need to repent...
 
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everyone said the titanic would never sink... but it did meaning nothing is the done deal until its over........
 
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Ariel82

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I condem you not is not something we will always achieve... Where the saying Goes there is no condemnation in christ i condem you not... It does not me mean i wont condem anyone it means Jesus will not condem me.. but how ever he will convict me.. he will convict and punish me accordingly but he wont forever condem me..


We will always convict people with our words the bible says as much that our word will devide and bring a sword.... its knowing who to bring the sword to and who to bring the milk ?
It's a thin line between rebuking and convicting someone and condemning them.

Do you know what divides the two?

Love...if you love the person and they know that you love them.

If you love someone you may be rebuking them to convict them,but if they don't know you love them,they will feel like you are condemning them.
 
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Ariel82

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^^^ In addition Jimbo, the Law through faith is the Law of the Spirit of Life that is now written on our hearts, it is NOT the Mosaic law.

Romans 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
The Mosaic law was given after Mount Sinai when Israel refuse to listen to God directly and demanded a prophet to speak to them instead of hearing God speak.

It was given in love also but having the Holy Spirit is better than the written laws on stone, because God speaks directly to our hearts.
 
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Ariel82

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this sounds good, but without the baptism of repentance whereas the rebellion stops and the flesh is crucified (2 Cor. 71-11) its all fluff and misleading...

what does worship mean in scripture?
Without grace, it's all just clouds without rain.

I have already spoken on the need for repentance.

There is only one baptism that saves and it's not John's.
 
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See..you still miss the mark....the law CONDEMNS NO ONE WHO IS IN CHRIST....God's grace outbounds the SIN of all true believers....this is where your working for false gospel leads you astray....When Jesus said it is finished....that equals paid in full....every genuine believer's entire SIN DEBT HAS BEEN PAID IN FULL....THE BLOOD AND RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST applied and imputed.....fail to believe this = no genuine faith into the completed work of CHRIST.....END OF STORY!
Im just illussioned how youve even brought the subject of law into this argument,,What do Good works have to do with the law...

Are you now saying that you are lawless if you come into christ ?

Are you also saying that there is no conviction from the law no more to those who are in christ.

Does that mean i can go and rob a bank tomorrow and feel no conviction or condemnation ?

Does it also mean that i dont have to answer to the law ?
 
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It's a thin line between rebuking and convicting someone and condemning them.

Do you know what divides the two?

Love...if you love the person and they know that you love them.

If you love someone you may be rebuking them to convict them,but if they don't know you love them,they will feel like you are condemning them.
I agree that the law of love wins over condemnation but how ever that still doesnt take away what the law must accomplish in the believer.. meaning the law is holy in this way..
 
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this one is for those who hope for salvation.... :) [video=youtube;2jwj6-QmmMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jwj6-QmmMA[/video]
 
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condemnation is the works in the law that leads to conviction from the holy spirit... the law is holy holy holy ........ i tell you :cool:
 
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This i post for my brothers and sisters in this thread and the world..

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