The Rapture
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St. Irenaeus (c. 130–202), an early Christian Premillennialist.
Irenaeus and Justin represent two of the most outspoken premillennialists of the pre-Nicean church. Other early premillennialists included Pseudo-Barnabas,[SUP][21][/SUP] Papias,[SUP][22][/SUP] Methodius, Lactantius,[SUP][23][/SUP] Commodianus[SUP][24][/SUP] Theophilus, Tertullian,[SUP][25][/SUP] Melito,[SUP][26][/SUP] Hippolytus of Rome, Victorinus of Pettau [SUP][27][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP] and various Gnostics groups and the Montanists. Many of these theologians and others in the early church expressed their belief in premillennialism through their acceptance of the sexta-septamillennial tradition.
So are almost all Evangelicals, Messianic Christians, Grace Bretheran Churchs, Bible Churches, Community Churches, Plymouth Bretheran, etc.
Yes, they are... as they are mostly pre-trib.
Then you are of Einstein but you're not of God (1 Co 1:15). The idea that God is outside of time
comes from Greek paganism not the bible.
IF you read the Bible, the meaning of the Phrase"God is outside of time" is in the Bible.
Psalm 90:4, “For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”
Here Moses is talking about TIME.. of God vs that of Man. Time has no constraint on God.
I guess the Greeks got the phrase from God's Word since it predated, the Septuagint LXX.
If I did, would you take time to consider and think about them? Or would you just throw back 2 scriptures to my every one. Which of course then I would see your 2 and raise you another, prompting you to go all in with a full litany. I get what you're saying, everything we believe should be based on scripture. That is absolutely true. What's also true is that every single post that goes up here is put there by someone who has scripture to back up their belief. So, would my putting up the notated version really have any chance at being considered, or would it just be fodder for us to swing our swords at each other over? I don't verse war, it's counterproductive and I believe akin to using the Lord's Name in vane.
I shared what I believe, you may consider it or ignore it. And yes I do have scriptures that back up that belief. Am I going to hold them up for you to take target practice on?
Nah, I don't think so.
I shared what I believe, you may consider it or ignore it. And yes I do have scriptures that back up that belief. Am I going to hold them up for you to take target practice on?
Nah, I don't think so.
It is in several of his videos and rightly so.... As a preterist, you tell us that the events of Revelation are going on in today's time frame. Well according to the scripture about the binding, God does not let him(satan) affect man in any way during the 1000 years.
Rev 20:3 ..."3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
If this event (rev 20:2) is present day, would you not agree that Satan's Chain is TOO LONG>>.... He is still influencing mankind.
This is why your eschatology (theology) is fatality flawed.....Care to put up another controversial verse..that the preterist insist that it shows we are living the future words of Revelation, today.....??
I really do not understand,,,,,one minute you are saying one thing and then next another.
If God is omni-present... which means he is everywhere at the same time...(rem the Holy spirit within each and every true Christian. then YES he can reach out an touch anypart of this timeline he wants to....fro the Beginning to the End, From the Alpha to the Omega.
If God is omni-present... which means he is everywhere at the same time...(rem the Holy spirit within each and every true Christian. then YES he can reach out an touch anypart of this timeline he wants to....fro the Beginning to the End, From the Alpha to the Omega.
Chuck Smith, God bless him, is probably right about now learning that the tribulation is ancient history
. He's having an "oops" moment, LOL.
. He's having an "oops" moment, LOL.
You cannot be that Naive' so let me ask you a question..... You say everything happened in Jerusalem 70 AD.... then why does revelation only contain information for a future WHOLE WORLD?
Another one bits the dust!
I said, I'm a partial Preterist. Not everything happened in the first century, but far more than most realize. Answer me this, how could Christ say the below if it wasn't true? Here comes a spiritualized answer, if you answer at all, LOL. Now be nice, I just gave you a "like."
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mat,
We aren't told what the deception is, but we know it will be like the "days of Noah." Everyone living in sin and according to their own sense of right.
He must reign until He puts all enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Why do you say it's short? I agree the Isa 11 and Zec 14 passages you quoted are future, end of the world.
Where do you get this from? Hopefully not from Dan 9. Dan 9 was all about the final days of Israel as a nation and the consuming fire wrath that God used to destroy her.
No, the 1000 years is spiritual, its the kingdom. The attack on Israel by all the nations comes after and God intervenes. See Rev 20 and Ez 38-39. Mat 24:1-34 and Dan 12 dealt with circa 70 AD events. Mat 24:35 and on is future.
God and the Lamb came back in the first century and defeated Israel.
I never said all prophesy happened in the 1st century, but most of it did.
We aren't told what the deception is, but we know it will be like the "days of Noah." Everyone living in sin and according to their own sense of right.
He must reign until He puts all enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Why do you say it's short? I agree the Isa 11 and Zec 14 passages you quoted are future, end of the world.
Where do you get this from? Hopefully not from Dan 9. Dan 9 was all about the final days of Israel as a nation and the consuming fire wrath that God used to destroy her.
No, the 1000 years is spiritual, its the kingdom. The attack on Israel by all the nations comes after and God intervenes. See Rev 20 and Ez 38-39. Mat 24:1-34 and Dan 12 dealt with circa 70 AD events. Mat 24:35 and on is future.
God and the Lamb came back in the first century and defeated Israel.
I never said all prophesy happened in the 1st century, but most of it did.
good post tanakh..... this is the new way of the world. Unfortunately, the preterist are picking up people simply because most of them do not want to take a stand with GOD. They had rather live their lifestyles than to try and follow Jesus' steps.
What people do not know and some really do not care, Paul had a pretty hard time. Since he wrote the majority of the Books of the NT, it is easy to get confused as to what he was actually saying. In fact, it is sometimes better to try and make an outline about who he is talking to or what he is talking about.
Thank you again.
What people do not know and some really do not care, Paul had a pretty hard time. Since he wrote the majority of the Books of the NT, it is easy to get confused as to what he was actually saying. In fact, it is sometimes better to try and make an outline about who he is talking to or what he is talking about.
Thank you again.