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Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart
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Is God Outside of Time? Not according to the Bible. By Bob Enyart
That dog did in fact hunt and brought back so much food for our nourishment. I'm eating all kinds of steak, lobster, deer, chicken, duck, you name it. What are you eating? Kale?
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The GT took place from 66-70 AD
The False Christ was revealed in 70 AD and he led 6,000 to their deaths at the temple in Jerusalem.
The devil had been chained up from deceiving the nations. I think he is probably loose now and the nations are again being deceived.
.The GT took place from 66-70 AD
The False Christ was revealed in 70 AD and he led 6,000 to their deaths at the temple in Jerusalem.
The devil had been chained up from deceiving the nations. I think he is probably loose now and the nations are again being deceived.
If Jesus was ruling with a rod of iron in the past,then how does a person explain these same things.
If the millennial reign is for 1000 years,why is it so short,when Jesus has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven,and He said,all power is given unto Me in heaven,and earth.
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Zec 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
It appears to be a reign on earth with Jesus and the saints that is future.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and then He will out them down.
The last three and one half years they will persecute all people that hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior,and when the beast shall scatter the power of the holy people,the resurrection happens.
They attack Israel,and God comes back with all His saints,and saves Israel,and defeats the world,and Jesus and the saints rule over one sixth of the world,who will be in the flesh for 1000 years.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Can only be known if there is advanced travel,and advanced technology,for then the saints can view the world.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
The saints will be hated of all nations.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Gospel preached in to all the world.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The new age movement which unified the religions,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and the man of sin,New Age Christ,will be from the new age movement.
God warns us of the new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5,2 Timothy 4:2-4).
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Immediately after the tribulation the resuurection happens.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
God comes back with all the saints,and defeats the world.
If all prophesy happened back in the first century then we would not be here,for we would of not been born,and all the saints would be in the New Jerusalem,and the earth,and heaven,would of passed away.
Who is smarter, Bob Enyart or Albert Einstein? God already knows the future because He's in the past, present and future. This is how He knows everything.
Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.
[FONT=Garamond, Book Antiqua, Footlight MT Light, Times New Roman]Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."[/FONT]
[FONT=Garamond, Book Antiqua, Footlight MT Light, Times New Roman]Most everyone knows that Einstein proved that time is relative, not absolute as Newton claimed. With the proper technology, such as a very fast spaceship, one person is able to experience several days while another person simultaneously experiences only a few hours or minutes. The same two people can meet up again, one having experienced days or even years while the other has only experienced minutes. The person in the spaceship only needs to travel near to the speed of light. The faster they travel, the slower their time will pass relative to someone planted firmly on the Earth. If they were able to travel at the speed of light, their time would cease completely and they would only exist trapped in timelessness. Einstein could hardly believe there were physicists who didn’t believe in timelessness, and yet the wisdom of Einstein's convictions had very little impact on cosmology or science in general. The majority of physicists have been slow to give up the ordinary assumptions we make about time.[/FONT]
[FONT=Bell MT, Book Antiqua]Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time[/FONT]
[FONT=Garamond, Book Antiqua, Footlight MT Light, Times New Roman]Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:[/FONT]
Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.
[FONT=Garamond, Book Antiqua, Footlight MT Light, Times New Roman]Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."[/FONT]
[FONT=Garamond, Book Antiqua, Footlight MT Light, Times New Roman]Most everyone knows that Einstein proved that time is relative, not absolute as Newton claimed. With the proper technology, such as a very fast spaceship, one person is able to experience several days while another person simultaneously experiences only a few hours or minutes. The same two people can meet up again, one having experienced days or even years while the other has only experienced minutes. The person in the spaceship only needs to travel near to the speed of light. The faster they travel, the slower their time will pass relative to someone planted firmly on the Earth. If they were able to travel at the speed of light, their time would cease completely and they would only exist trapped in timelessness. Einstein could hardly believe there were physicists who didn’t believe in timelessness, and yet the wisdom of Einstein's convictions had very little impact on cosmology or science in general. The majority of physicists have been slow to give up the ordinary assumptions we make about time.[/FONT]
He could not be bound with a physical chain. Thus the restraint is spiritual. He is restrained, but he can still deceive the nations and especially through his minions.
To shepherd with a rod of iron mean that He brings judgement on the nations. This He has done through the centuries. Jesus is reigning.
There is no millennial reign.
To shepherd with a rod of iron mean that He brings judgement on the nations. This He has done through the centuries. Jesus is reigning.
There is no millennial reign.
We have to understand how time and eternity interact. Events that occur in one order in the heavenlies do not necessarily manifest in the same order in time.
Most people think time is linear - there’s eternity at one end, then a time line, then eternity at the other end. Perhaps this may look familiar:
eternity)---time---(eternity
But that image is wrong. What we need to picture is a wheel. A wheel has a hub and a rim. Imagine God and eternity existing in the hub, and time running along the rim. With this image in mind we can see how, like randomly inserted spokes, God can reach out and touch any point in time, at any point in time.
Let me example it to you this way. The day you are born, God leaves the hub and enters the rim and walks beside you every single step of your life until you die… and then He takes you home to the hub. Having spent your whole life on the rim with you, then retreating back into the hub with you, from there God reaches out into time when the person sitting next to you is born. He spends that person’s entire rim-life with them, until He brings them home to the hub. Then God touches the rim again, maybe reaching into time the day King David was born. God spends David’s entire life with him, then brings him home. And so on for every single one of us. That is how God is able to be with all of us, all of the time, all at the same time. Because the time constraints we live under don't apply to Him. And that is the point to take away from all that - the time constraints we live under don't apply to God. He can manifest at any point in time, past and future, any time He wants to.
Most people think time is linear - there’s eternity at one end, then a time line, then eternity at the other end. Perhaps this may look familiar:
eternity)---time---(eternity
But that image is wrong. What we need to picture is a wheel. A wheel has a hub and a rim. Imagine God and eternity existing in the hub, and time running along the rim. With this image in mind we can see how, like randomly inserted spokes, God can reach out and touch any point in time, at any point in time.
Let me example it to you this way. The day you are born, God leaves the hub and enters the rim and walks beside you every single step of your life until you die… and then He takes you home to the hub. Having spent your whole life on the rim with you, then retreating back into the hub with you, from there God reaches out into time when the person sitting next to you is born. He spends that person’s entire rim-life with them, until He brings them home to the hub. Then God touches the rim again, maybe reaching into time the day King David was born. God spends David’s entire life with him, then brings him home. And so on for every single one of us. That is how God is able to be with all of us, all of the time, all at the same time. Because the time constraints we live under don't apply to Him. And that is the point to take away from all that - the time constraints we live under don't apply to God. He can manifest at any point in time, past and future, any time He wants to.
Then you are of Einstein but you're not of God (1 Co 1:15). The idea that God is outside of time
comes from Greek paganism not the bible.
"Most Christian theologians join countless philosophers of the last 2,500 years in saying that God is outside of time."
So I guess I join those countless Christian theologians and scholars who you just accused of not being of God. So glad you have the wisdom to judge and condemn all of us because of your infinitely superior wisdom and righteousness. Remember, "judge not, that you be not judged!!!" It is a major peeve of mine when I encounter people on these pages who think they know it all and that everyone who disagrees with their views are "outside God." These countless men for 2,500 years, according to your own article, agree that God has no limits place on him by time. He is the creator of all things, including time. He can stop time, reverse time, speed up time, or end time. He can do whatever He wants because He created time.
Your citing of Rev 8 and the approximately "half hour" that heaven was silent was simply an expression so that we could know that for a brief moment, heaven cleared out for the return of God, the Lamb and the armies to execute vengeance against Jerusalem and those persecuting the early Christians. I assure you, there isn't a clock in heaven.
I want to remind you of what Jesus says in Rev 1:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
And let's not forget this passage:
Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
If the sun and moon stopped for about a day, that really means that the earth and moon were frozen in their position for awhile. If the earth is not moving around the sun, by very definition of Space- Time, time stopped. God did this. For goodness sake, there was no time before God invented the sun on the third day. So with respect to you and Mr. Bob Enyart, I don't see any barriers placed on God by time.
FYI, I don't mind having a healthy debate with you or anyone else sister, but I ask that you treat everyone with respect and without judgment. God judges the hearts of men, not someone called, "serpentdove."
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Guess we should revisit this passage:
"and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished."
It just says Satan cannot deceive the nations. We aren't told anything about the deception that was halted and we certainly were not told that sin stops during these "thousand" years. There is no mention of Satan's many demons and as Paul reminds us in Ephesians, they attack us every day. There can be sin without deception. I'd argue that most sin doesn't require deception as most people sinning are aware of it and do it anyway.
"and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished."
It just says Satan cannot deceive the nations. We aren't told anything about the deception that was halted and we certainly were not told that sin stops during these "thousand" years. There is no mention of Satan's many demons and as Paul reminds us in Ephesians, they attack us every day. There can be sin without deception. I'd argue that most sin doesn't require deception as most people sinning are aware of it and do it anyway.
Excellent! I would add, the blessed nations are the Christian nations. The poor nations are mostly wicked nations full of idol worship and demon possession.
I have a dear friend who is the Bishop of a major muslin nation. He's not Catholic, it's just the title the government of this country bestows on the top Christian leader. He told me that he spends a ton of time casting out demons and that the Muslim religion is loaded with possessed people. How else can we explain all the suicide attacks? Its not an act of a rationale person.
Let's face it, eternity with 72 virgins? Eternity is a long time.
I have a dear friend who is the Bishop of a major muslin nation. He's not Catholic, it's just the title the government of this country bestows on the top Christian leader. He told me that he spends a ton of time casting out demons and that the Muslim religion is loaded with possessed people. How else can we explain all the suicide attacks? Its not an act of a rationale person.
Let's face it, eternity with 72 virgins? Eternity is a long time.
I never said anything remotely like that, yet another one assuming they know what we teach and believe, spewing pure foolishness.
At this point in time NO ONE EXCEPT JESUS has been Resurrected.
1 Corinthians 15:20-22 (RSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
Being in Abraham's bosom, is a Mideast expression that only means to be walking arm in arm as best friends as is the custom in the mideast.
Paradise is the Third Heaven (Eternal Dwelling Place of GOD) the Scriptures say So.
Paradise is the THIRD HEAVEN, the Scriptures say so:
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (ASV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth),
[SUP]4 [/SUP] how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. l
BORN AGAIN, is when you COME TO HIM, mourning over your UTTER SINFULNESS, pleading for forgiveness, and WILLINGLY out of LOVE for HIM, surrendering complete control of your life to Jesus Christ as LORD (meaning MASTER). THAT IS NOT A WORK, but part of the FREE GIFT FROM GOD, via the HOLY SPIRIT who brings genuine repentance, and Pours GOD's LOVE directly into your heart, (ROM. 5:5). In that process, the Holy Spirit births your spiritually dead human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE.
NOW THAT IS WHAT WE TEACH AND BELIEVE, WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT GARBAGE I HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
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