The Rapture

[Issachar92]

Good morning Issachar92,

Full Preterism is dangerous in that, along with allegorizing end-time events, claiming that the resurrection has already taken place, puts them under the same condemnation as Hymeneas and Philetus who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. Regarding this, Paul called it godless chatter, that it would spread like gangrene, that they had wandered from the truth and that they were destroying the faith of some. Preterism is detrimental to ones salvation.

The correct way to read the book of Revelation is "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." Take it at face value unless there is obvious symbolism. People who interpret Revelation as being completely symbolic are in error right from the get-go. In his book, one writer proclaimed that the book of Revelation is hyperbole i.e. exaggerated, not to be taken literally.

Those who do so will never be able to properly interpret the book of Revelation or end-time events.

I think the allegorizing teachers are doing this to stroke their own ego to be honest.
Why do I say that? Because once you get someone to accept that view, now you gotta go back to that teacher constantly and ask him what does this and that mean.
Since you cant read it for yourself in the literal sense and see what it says, you need a guru to explain it.

 

[PlainWord]

NO, because that is a reference to FUTURE PROPHECY, which the false prophets you learned from, totally deny that it exists.

YOU WILL ALSO FIND almost NOBODY on this site will fall for the deceiving false prophecy explanations that you are desperately trying to peddle. YES, your kind are described in this verse:


2 Timothy 3:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]. . . impostors will become worse, deceiving and being deceived.


But you will have almost NO SUCCESS on this site, because I have found that most who post here, are too well GROUNDED IN THE WORD, to fall for the kind of twisted theology you are peddling. You literally are wasting your time here.

Yeah, right. Paul wasn't writing to Timothy about those men. The men in Timothy's day were fine. They were not evil following false doctrines. Paul had to be speaking of conditions thousands of years into the future. That was on his mind. You're right. Timothy didn't need any encouragement.

That is a sad state of affairs, how badly the church has gobbled up this nonsense that you espouse.

 

[PlainWord]

That's saying "I only believe some part of God's Word"

No, it's saying I understand context, things that were for back in their day and things yet to be fulfilled. You guys think everything in the NT was for the future and not for them. All the writings of Paul where he says, "you," "us," "them," "they," "our," etc. in your minds didn't apply to those in his day, but to 100+ generations in the future.

You guys have no concept of the conditions in the first century for these Christians. You have no idea of the persecution they were enduring because you refuse to read about history thinking that if it's not in the Bible, it's irrelevant to understanding. You guys have no clue that Paul wrote his letters to specific audiences/churches to comfort, instruct and in some cases, correct them. You think instead he was worried about ppl thousands of years into the future and wanted his audiences to know about how things would be thousands of years from them.

I SAY AGAIN - AUDIENCE RELEVANCY.

 

[Issachar92]

No, it's saying I understand context, things that were for back in their day and things yet to be fulfilled. You guys think everything in the NT was for the future and not for them. All the writings of Paul where he says, "you," "us," "them," "they," "our," etc. in your minds didn't apply to those in his day, but to 100+ generations in the future.

You guys have no concept of the conditions in the first century for these Christians. You have no idea of the persecution they were enduring because you refuse to read about history thinking that if it's not in the Bible, it's irrelevant to understanding. You guys have no clue that Paul wrote his letters to specific audiences/churches to comfort, instruct and in some cases, correct them. You think instead he was worried about ppl thousands of years into the future and wanted his audiences to know about how things would be thousands of years from them.

I SAY AGAIN - AUDIENCE RELEVANCY.

No. In our minds where Paul says "you" "us" "them" "they" "our" etc. it applies to those in his day AND to us generations in the future.

 

[PlainWord]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,


2 Timothy 3:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;

Matthew 24:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences {diseases that kill many}, and earthquakes in various places. {That is all over our nightly news on TV}


We are getting close, perhaps we will not have to die before we meet HIM in the air.

VCO, Bladerunner, Rockrz, etc,

You, (yes, I'm speaking to you, not to your descendants thousands of years from now), you emphasize the wrong words. See these words I highlighted.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times (just prior to end of their age in 70 AD) some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,


2 Timothy 3:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;

Matthew 24:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age? (Their age, not ours)"
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences {diseases that kill many}, and earthquakes in various places.

Nothing in the above implies that the text applied to anyone but them. Christ (or Paul) was speaking to them about things to come to them, their generation, not ours.

If I were say this to you:

"Brothers, I will soon pick you up from your houses and take you to a football game then we will go to dinner. After this I will drive you back home. So, you all please be ready for a fun night out on the town, because I am coming to you quickly."

Would you take this to apply to your descendants thousands of years into the future or would you expect me to actually do these things with you in your life times? This is how we talk, this is how they talked. Audience relevancy!!

 

[PlainWord]

No. In our minds where Paul says "you" "us" "them" "they" "our" etc. it applies to those in his day AND to us generations in the future.

Like here:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition...

and here?

"Take heed that no one deceives you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

And here?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

and here?

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night...But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

and here?

since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels..

Just checking.

 

[Issachar92]

Like here:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition...

and here?

"Take heed that no one deceives you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

And here?

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

and here?

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night...But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

and here?

since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels..

Just checking.

All of those are great doctrine for us. 2 timothy 3:16. Yup. Good check

 

[abcdef]

Please name the books where you got that totally twisted theology?

The Bible.

Adam was a son of God Lk 3:38, "....Adam which was the son of God."

And in that line of genealogy , Jesus was also the son of God after the flesh, as well as the Spirit.

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The sons of Adam intermingled with the tribes of people around them who were not human souls.

Similar to the Israelites, who considered the gentiles to be "less than human", animals, not in the covenant.

The human souls in the covenant, had spirits, that were designed by God to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus, human souls.

The other spirits, were not responsible to God in the same way that the human souls in the covenant were, who had the knowledge of good and evil.

Job 1:6 (ASV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them.

Job 2:1 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah.

Jude 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

The term is used for angels also.

SEE YOUR TWISTED THEOLOGY CONTRADICTS SCRIPTURE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

You and I have really just started to talk, why insult me?

Wait until after you get to know me, then insult me, ha ha.

It says ALL SHALL BE CHANGED, Flesh and Blood cannot inherit heaven, BUT THE CHANGED GLORIFIED BODY IS IMMORTAL AND HAS BEEN CHANGED SO THAT IT CAN GO TO HEAVEN.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

I agree with this.

We just disagree about When this happens.

 

[abcdef]

Im not gonna lie before I came online I had no idea what preterism even was. And I dont know of a single believer in real life who holds to preterism.
Everyone I know is premillenial.

The correct answer is in the middle.

Neither one is totally right.

 

[abcdef]

Friends,

I have lost the internet signal at the house, which happens, that is why the replies to posts may be infrequent.

 

[abcdef]

Please name the books where you got that totally twisted theology?

Too bad that you are unable to answer my simple questions about the dragon iron beast empire.


1. Who is the iron legs that last until the stone strikes?

The Roman Empire, you got that right.

2. Who was the iron legs, 500 years ago?

3. Since the legs have not divided into the toes yet, in your time line, who are the iron legs right Now?

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You see, the dragon iron beast nation has been here since invading Israel.

Caesar Antichrist destroyed Jerusalem in 70 ad.

Caesar is still here today, can you guess who sits on the seat of the beast right now?

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[abcdef]

The ten toes are at the end of the revival of the fourth and continue until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. WHICH HAS NEVER HAPPENED YET. IT IS A LITERAL/PHYSCICAL RETURN and when HIS FEET TOUCH GROUND FOR THE FIRST TIME ON HIS RETURN TO RULE FOR A 1000 YEARS FROM DAVID'S THRONE IN OUR EARTHLY JERUSALEM, THIS WILL LITERALLY HAPPEN, AND THERE IS NO SYMBOLISM IN THIS PROPHECY:

Zechariah 14:2-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] All the land from Geba to Rimmon* south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.

What is living water? v 8

 

[Bladerunner]

To me it feels like the preterism view is awfully complicated.
They have to symbolize a lot of things to mean one thing only, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

The danger I can see with an allegorical interpretation is that you can come up with all sorts of doctrines and ideas and make it match any historical event if you symbolize and look hard enough.
This is why I think the literal interpretation is vastly superior because it can only be interpreted one way which means everyone will get the same PLAIN doctrine by just reading the text as it is.

I also think if someone has to spend an hour explaining away one verse, maybe they got the wrong interpretation?

Issachar92..... The literal interpretation is a good way IF,,,, one uses the History and Grammatical structures along with the literal view. Let's take an example.

In the story of Abraham and Isaac Genesis 22, one might wonder what God was trying to do. Why was he testing Abraham and Why such a drastic test.. To kill your own son! Yet, we find out that prior to Gen 22, God had promised that nations would arise out of Isaac. So, Abraham knew that if he did indeed kill his son. God would have to resurrect him if He keep his word and Abraham Loved and completely believed in GOD. What about the place where the sacrifice was to take place. We find out through history that the place was the exact place another SON was to be sacrificed. While the Father of this Son could have stopped it, he did allow it. This SON was of course Jesus Christ. The OT revealed what the NT concealed.

I find that if one looks at the Bible (KJV) as the Divinely Written, inspired Word of GOD (not inerrant) but close to it, 66 Books written over 3500 years ago, by 40 inspired authors. The some 1800 prophecies written across its pages have been around 50%- 60% completed. The fulfillment rate of the Prophecies has been 100% to date.

As one scholar put it, "What is revealed in the OT is Concealed in the NT. What is Concealed in the OT is revealed in the NT.

One other Item I have found that is helpful. The use of the KJV version above all the others. What I am saying is that if you use the other versions (recently compiled by who knows who), always use the KJV to verify the meaning of the scriptures.

ALWAYS ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE USE: CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.......read the whole paragraph and not just a verse taken out of context.....Do these and you can too understand the Bible as it was intended by God.

 

[popeye]

Only pretrib harmonizes with the rapture of the ripe fruit in rev 14,which BTW, immediately follows the first fruit Jews being in heaven.

 

[PlainWord]

All of those are great doctrine for us. 2 timothy 3:16. Yup. Good check

Can I suggest you study up on the use and meanings of personal pronouns? This applies to anyone who thinks "you" means people 2,000 years into the future.

The below is taken from List of Pronouns

First Person: The person or people speaking or writing: I, we, me, us
Second Person: The person or people being spoken or written too: you, you
Third Person: The person, people or things being written about: she, her, he, him, it, they, them

Nothing in the passages I cited indicates a 2,000+ year understand and a transfer from the immediate audience to their descendants. In fact everything about all of these passages indicates an applicability to the audience and people of their day (1st century).

So, when Paul writes this:

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

And when he uses the person pronouns listed above, he is speaking specifically to them:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day.

There is no transferring of identity going on. Just because you've always been taught in some future fulfillment, doesn't make it so. Instead, all of these events happened, you just weren't around to witness it.

 

[Bladerunner]

Can I suggest you study up on the use and meanings of personal pronouns? This applies to anyone who thinks "you" means people 2,000 years into the future.

The below is taken from List of Pronouns

First Person: The person or people speaking or writing: I, we, me, us
Second Person: The person or people being spoken or written too: you, you
Third Person: The person, people or things being written about: she, her, he, him, it, they, them

Nothing in the passages I cited indicates a 2,000+ year understand and a transfer from the immediate audience to their descendants. In fact everything about all of these passages indicates an applicability to the audience and people of their day (1st century).

So, when Paul writes this:

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

And when he uses the person pronouns listed above, he is speaking specifically to them:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day.

There is no transferring of identity going on. Just because you've always been taught in some future fulfillment, doesn't make it so. Instead, all of these events happened, you just weren't around to witness it.

Oh, I did not know Koinonia Greek had all these......I really don't think they thought the way you or I do in those days...

 

[PlainWord]

Oh, I did not know Koinonia Greek had all these......I really don't think they thought the way you or I do in those days...

Start at 1 Thes 1:1 and begin reading. Please point out to me the verse where Paul stops addressing them and switches to discussing events thousands of years into their future. Then start at Mat 24:1 and do the same thing. I want to see the verse where we are told Paul (or Jesus in the case of Mt 24) is no longer discussing their generation and where they leap frog over 100 generations to get to us.

 

[VCO]

Yeah, right. Paul wasn't writing to Timothy about those men. The men in Timothy's day were fine. They were not evil following false doctrines. Paul had to be speaking of conditions thousands of years into the future. That was on his mind. You're right. Timothy didn't need any encouragement.

That is a sad state of affairs, how badly the church has gobbled up this nonsense that you espouse.

I am in the hospital with pneumonia, without my laptop. Yeah, I am typing this on my cell. So you will have to look these verses up yourself. Jesus said the things He said, and sense all Scripture was inspired by Him, that includes all the NT, was for the disciples AND those who listen to THEM. WE ARE THOSE WHO LISTEN AND HEAR THEM.

 

[PlainWord]

Yeah, I have noticed, and when I was a teenager in Nebraska, there were almost NONE. In fact, I never even heard the term until recent years.

Matthew 24:21-25 (RSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Lo, I have told you beforehand.


2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,

These passages refer to the conditions just prior to the Aug 10, 70 AD destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.

 

[PlainWord]

I am in the hospital with pneumonia, without my laptop. Yeah, I am typing this on my cell. So you will have to look these verses up yourself. Jesus said the things He said, and sense all Scripture was inspired by Him, that includes all the NT, was for the disciples AND those who listen to THEM. WE ARE THOSE WHO LISTEN AND HEAR THEM.

Sorry to hear that dear Brother. I will pray for your speedy recovery. Indeed all scripture is inspired and God is not the author of confusion. So unless He tells us that He was no longer addressing them and instead their descendants thousands of years later, we have to assume He was still talking to them, about them.

Example. In Dan 12, the angel is telling Daniel what is going to happen at the time of the end (of his nation) and says this:

The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time.

So clearly this is for the "sons of (his) people" and not for the people in Daniel's day. But we don't see that in the NT prophesies, do we? Anyway, please relax and let not your heart be troubled. Get well. There will be plenty of time for you to figure this out if you have eyes to see.