The Rapture

[VCO]

Agreed!
Seems like mo preterists are coming online

Yeah, I have noticed, and when I was a teenager in Nebraska, there were almost NONE. In fact, I never even heard the term until recent years.

Matthew 24:21-25 (RSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Lo, I have told you beforehand.


2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,

 

[VCO]

That's okay, I stopped reading most of your posts some time ago. You keep stating and restating the same old doctrine I grew up with and grew out of as it is not Biblical.

We know that too:


2 Timothy 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.

 

[abcdef]

At least most posting here can understand that the fly scorpions are the fallen angels that tried to pollute the human race, to stop Messiah from coming. They are the ones that took wives that were the daughters of men, and were extremely successful,

The sons of God were the sons of Adam, who intermarried with the non-human souls (not in a covenant relationship with God) around them.

in that ONLY Noah and his family remained faithful. Thus that motivated God to destroy the human race and start over.

All other human souls in the covenant relationship with God and Adam were destroyed.

Those particular demons were locked in the Abyss,

Jude 6, "And the angels that kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day."


How did they get out to earth?

They will not be coming out before the day of judgement.

and even the 2000 demons in the demoniacs at GADARA, were aware of that fact and were petrified that Christ was about to send them to the Abyss too.

Where did the spirits go when they left the swine? When the swine died?

Revelation 9:1-12 (YLT)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And the fifth messenger did sound, and I saw a star out of the heaven having fallen to the earth, and there was given to it the key of the pit of the abyss,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] and he did open the pit of the abyss, and there came up a smoke out of the pit as smoke of a great furnace, and darkened was the sun and the air, from the smoke of the pit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And out of the smoke came forth locusts to the earth, and there was given to them authority, as scorpions of the earth have authority,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and it was said to them that they may not injure the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but--the men only who have not the seal of God upon their foreheads,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented five months, and their torment is as the torment of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and in those days shall men seek the death, and they shall not find it, and they shall desire to die, and the death shall flee from them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And the likenesses of the locusts are like to horses made ready to battle, and upon their heads as crowns like gold, and their faces as faces of men,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and they had hair as hair of women, and their teeth were as those of lions,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and they had breastplates as breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings is as the noise of chariots of many horses running to battle;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they have tails like to scorpions, and stings were in their tails; and their authority is to injure men five months;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and they have over them a king--the messenger of the abyss--a name is to him in Hebrew, Abaddon, and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] The first woe did go forth, lo, there come yet two woes after these things.

The iron beast empire comes out of the abyss,

But how did the iron beast empire, get into the abyss?

I believe the timing of that LITERAL EVENT, is definitely STILL FUTURE, because will be recorded by every historian and news reporter in the world.

Who is the iron legs empire?

Who is the 4th beast empire of Dan. 7?

Who is the iron 4th beast empire that comes out of the abyss? the beast? That kills the 2 witnesses?

!929, The Roman Empire returns as a nation, Vatican, well documented, reported and is common knowledge.

Most or possibly even all of the Tribulation Saints will have been martyred,

Yes, 70 ad to 1929, most were killed, then after the 5th trumpet, Israel of the natural branches were driven back to Israel to restore Jerusalem. 1929-1967

and thus ONLY the 144,000 Jews sealed in their mortal bodies

How can they be in heaven with Jesus in Rev 14, if they are in their mortal bodies?

to repopulate Israel will be spared this WOE, pronounced on the unbelievers of this world.

The seals and trumpets are on the unbelieving natural branches.

 

[Bladerunner]

Just to add, I'm not a full preterist. I still see some future prophesy remaining to be fulfilled.

The you are a partial preterist.

 

[PlainWord]

We know that too:


2 Timothy 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Who did Paul write the above to?

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, [SUP]2 [/SUP]To Timothy, a beloved son:

He was writing to Timothy. He wasn't writing to you or me or anyone else in the 21st century. He wasn't writing to anyone in the 20th century or 19th century or 10th century AD. Those future people were not on Paul's mind. Timothy was on his mind. This is the point you pre-tribbers cannot seem to grasp. Of course there is instructions, and words of wisdom for our edification in there but the words Paul wrote were for the person or audience he wrote them to. The purpose was for them. You think all NT prophesy was directed at us. Not so and this is where you (and many others) err.

Now who was Paul speaking of in your red text which you so ignorantly aim at me? Was Paul writing about me as you suggest? How about turning back one page.

But you (Timothy) have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, [SUP]11 [/SUP]persecutions, afflictions... [SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and impostors (of Timothy's day) will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived (leading up to the GT of 70 AD). [SUP]14 [/SUP]But you (Timothy) must continue in the things which you (Timothy) have learned and been assured of...

How about that? Paul was speaking of evil men in Timothy's day. They were the imposters who don't tolerate sound doctrine. They were the ones who turned away from the truth, deceiving others, NOT ME!!! They were the ones who were punished in the Great Tribulation of 70 AD.

VCO, we can go around and around as often as you like but if I cannot get you to recognize audience relevancy, there is no hope of correcting you from your crazy pre-trib rapture ideas. You've ignored the appearing of Christ and the great tribulation of the Jews that already happened in 70 AD. The rapture followed by another future period of great tribulation is not taught.

It will be like the days of Noah (when the world is about to end), everything appearing to be normal, then wham, the wicked ones are taken to judgment.

 

[PlainWord]

The you are a partial preterist.

I can accept that label.

 

[VCO]

The sons of God were the sons of Adam, who intermarried with the non-human souls (not in a covenant relationship with God) around them.
[TOO MUCH TWISTED THEOLOGY TO ANSWER IN ONE POST AND I HAVE WAY BETTER THINGS TO DO?]

Please name the books where you got that totally twisted theology?

the sons of God were angels who left their proper sphere (Jude 6) and intermarried with women on earth, a form of sexual disorder that was most hateful to God. Those who hold this view point out that the expression "sons of God" in Job 1:6 and 2:1 means angels who had access to the presence of God. Also, "the sons of God" as a term for angels is a standard Semitic expression. The passage in Jude 6, 7 suggests that the angels who left their own abode were guilty of vile sexual behavior. Notice the words "as Sodom and Gomorrah" at the beginning of verse 7, immediately after the description of the fallen angels.
Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

The passage, then, refutes pagan beliefs by declaring the truth. The sons of God were not divine; they were demon-controlled. Their marrying as many women as they wished (possibly this is the origin of harems) was to satisfy their baser instincts. They were just another low order of creatures, though powerful and demon-influenced. Children of these marriages, despite pagan ideas, were not god-kings. Though heroes and "men of renown," they were flesh; and they died, in due course, like all members of the human race. When God judges the world—as He was about to—no giant, no deity, no human has any power against Him. God simply allots one's days and brings his end.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

6:2 the sons of God saw the daughters of men. The sons of God, identified elsewhere almost exclusively as angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), saw and took wives of the human race. This produced an unnatural union which violated the God-ordained order of human marriage and procreation (Gen. 2:24). Some have argued that the sons of God were the sons of Seth who cohabited with the daughters of Cain; others suggest they were perhaps human kings wanting to build harems. But the passage puts strong emphasis on the angelic versus human contrast. The NT places this account in sequence with other Genesis events and identifies it as involving fallen angels who indwelt men (see notes on 2 Pet. 2:4, 5; Jude 6). Matthew 22:30 does not necessarily negate the possibility that angels are capable of procreation, but just that they do not marry. However, to procreate physically, demons had to possess human, male bodies.

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

Job 1:6 (ASV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them.

Job 2:1 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah.

Jude 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2 Peter 2:4-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;





SEE YOUR TWISTED THEOLOGY CONTRADICTS SCRIPTURE ALL OVER THE PLACE.


It says ALL SHALL BE CHANGED, Flesh and Blood cannot inherit heaven, BUT THE CHANGED GLORIFIED BODY IS IMMORTAL AND HAS BEEN CHANGED SO THAT IT CAN GO TO HEAVEN.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

[VCO]

Who did Paul write the above to?

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, [SUP]2 [/SUP]To Timothy, a beloved son:

He was writing to Timothy. He wasn't writing to you or me or anyone else in the 21st century. He wasn't writing to anyone in the 20th century or 19th century or 10th century AD. Those future people were not on Paul's mind. Timothy was on his mind. This is the point you pre-tribbers cannot seem to grasp. Of course there is instructions, and words of wisdom for our edification in there but the words Paul wrote were for the person or audience he wrote them to. The purpose was for them. You think all NT prophesy was directed at us. Not so and this is where you (and many others) err.

Now who was Paul speaking of in your red text which you so ignorantly aim at me? Was Paul writing about me as you suggest? How about turning back one page.

But you (Timothy) have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, [SUP]11 [/SUP]persecutions, afflictions... [SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and impostors (of Timothy's day) will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived (leading up to the GT of 70 AD). [SUP]14 [/SUP]But you (Timothy) must continue in the things which you (Timothy) have learned and been assured of...

How about that? Paul was speaking of evil men in Timothy's day. They were the imposters who don't tolerate sound doctrine. They were the ones who turned away from the truth, deceiving others, NOT ME!!! They were the ones who were punished in the Great Tribulation of 70 AD.

VCO, we can go around and around as often as you like but if I cannot get you to recognize audience relevancy, there is no hope of correcting you from your crazy pre-trib rapture ideas. You've ignored the appearing of Christ and the great tribulation of the Jews that already happened in 70 AD. The rapture followed by another future period of great tribulation is not taught.

It will be like the days of Noah (when the world is about to end), everything appearing to be normal, then wham, the wicked ones are taken to judgment.

NO, because that is a reference to FUTURE PROPHECY, which the false prophets you learned from, totally deny that it exists.

YOU WILL ALSO FIND almost NOBODY on this site will fall for the deceiving false prophecy explanations that you are desperately trying to peddle. YES, your kind are described in this verse:


2 Timothy 3:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]. . . impostors will become worse, deceiving and being deceived.


But you will have almost NO SUCCESS on this site, because I have found that most who post here, are too well GROUNDED IN THE WORD, to fall for the kind of twisted theology you are peddling. You literally are wasting your time here.

 

[VCO]

The you are a partial preterist.

Sounds to me that he wants to keep that out available, for when we prove with Scripture, the things he preaches are contradicting Scripture.

 

[Rockrz]

I can accept that label.

That's saying "I only believe some part of God's Word"

 

[Issachar92]

Yeah, I have noticed, and when I was a teenager in Nebraska, there were almost NONE. In fact, I never even heard the term until recent years.

Matthew 24:21-25 (RSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Lo, I have told you beforehand.


2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,

Im not gonna lie before I came online I had no idea what preterism even was. And I dont know of a single believer in real life who holds to preterism.
Everyone I know is premillenial.

 

[VCO]

Im not gonna lie before I came online I had no idea what preterism even was. And I dont know of a single believer in real life who holds to preterism.
Everyone I know is premillenial.

AMEN! It sounds like your Country has a HEALTHY BIBLE BELT TOO. I never heard of it until a couple years ago, when I was debating one of them here.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,


2 Timothy 3:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;


It is just yet another signs of the times Brother.


Matthew 24:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences {diseases that kill many}, and earthquakes in various places. {That is all over our nightly news on TV}


We are getting close, perhaps we will not have to die before we meet HIM in the air.

 

[psalm6819]

All I have to say is what a glorious day that will be = )

 

[VCO]

All I have to say is what a glorious day that will be = )

Revelation 22:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

 

[Bladerunner]

Yeah, I have noticed, and when I was a teenager in Nebraska, there were almost NONE. In fact, I never even heard the term until recent years.

Matthew 24:21-25 (RSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Lo, I have told you beforehand.


2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,

what about your Idealist, progressive dispensationalist, replacement Theology, covenant theology, Athiest, Inclusionist, etc. I could go on and on.... but you get the picture. There are many more of them that there are us.

 

[Bladerunner]

The main problem with you pre-trib dispensationalists is that you have no audience integrity. You claim to be pure literalists yet you're the furthest thing from it. You add 2,000 year gaps, where none are taught and you take direct communication ("audience integrity") and apply it to their descendants thousands of years into the future.

Example 1:

and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels.

Who was Paul speaking to and comforting, the first century Thessalonians who were suffering under enormous persecution or 21st century Christians living in relative peace and safety?

Example 2:

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Who was Jesus speaking of, those standing before Him or their distant descendants?

Example 3:

[SUP]64 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Who was Jesus speaking to, the Sanhedrin questioning Him or their descendants thousands of years into the future who had nothing to do with His death?

Example 4:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ..."

What age where they in, the present age, or some future age thousands of years in their future? If it's the latter then they had no blessed hope of seeing God and Jesus appear. Under your view, that "blessed hope" did not apply to them.

Example 5:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Who was Paul speaking to here and comforting? Who was alive at the time Paul wrote this? The Thessalonians or their descendants thousands of years into the future? What comfort would that be for them if this event that Paul was comforting them with was millennia into their future?

Example 6:

[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, [SUP]40 [/SUP]God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

Speaking of the martyrs who went before them, the writer of Hebrews is saying that those martyrs would not be made perfect (receive glorified, indestructible and incorruptible bodies) apart from those living Christians contemporary to the writer. The implication is that they would be made perfect with this martyrs in their lifetimes.

Example 7:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

Unless Christ were to come to church of Ephesus quickly, as in their lifetime, what difference would it make to them if their lampstand was removed? He is telling them to repent, not their descendants thousands of year later.


Example 8:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Would Christ come to the church of Pergamos if they don't repent or was He talking to someone else?

Example 9:

Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Why would they need to watch if He wasn't to come to them in their lifetime? Why watch for an event thousands of years into the future. The passage has a ring of immanency to it and a realistic threat that requires their immediate compliance.

Example 10:

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Was this written to the church in Philadelphia or not? What good is this promise if they were going to be dead for thousands of years before the hour of trial was to come?

I could go on and on. Remember, "Audience Integrity." Words have meanings and warning have meanings to those they were delivered to. Sorry if this offends your futuristic views.

The problem with your interpretation(s) is that you keep moving the goal post... Is it Symbolic or Historical or grammitcal. One minute a particular verse is only symbolic but if challenged the the verse is then something else.

As far as the thief in the night goes,,,, it is apparent you are not watching much less believing it. It is ok. for I and the others will continue to believe until our resurrection via the rapture or our souls residing in heaven after our death here on earth ( I doubt you even believe in this point) awaiting the resurrection of our bodies. Either way it does not matter.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello BladeRunner,

This is directed at PW:

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Was this written to the church in Philadelphia or not? What good is this promise if they were going to be dead for thousands of years before the hour of trial was to come?

It was written to the church of Philadelphia, but all of the letters were directed to every believer in each of the seven churches, as well as to the entire church period throughout the centuries up until the resurrection takes place.

Since all of those in Philadelphia and the rest of the original churches have long since died and the "hour of trial" has not yet taken place, then the promise is to those believers who will be alive just prior when the "hour of trial" begins, which is another designation for "the day of the Lord" the time of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

Your example above which says "I will also keep you from the hour of trial" because the promise is to those believers who would be present prior to when the "hour of trial" begins. We could use your faulty example from the scripture below:

"Therefore the LORD himself will give you a sign. Watch! The virgin is conceiving a child, and will give birth to a son, and his name will be called Immanuel." - Isa.7:14

Regarding the above, Isaiah was speaking to king Ahaz saying "the Lord himself will give you a sign. Yet, it would be 700 years before Jesus would be born after that prophecy. Therefore, the sign was obviously not to king Ahaz, but to those who would be present to see its fulfillment. That is the same thing that is happening with the Lord's promise when he said "I will keep you out of the hour of trial."

Therefore, the promise in Rev.3:10, is for those believers who would be alive at the time that the Lord comes to gather His church in order to keep them out of the hour of trail.

 

[Bladerunner]

The sons of God were the sons of Adam, who intermarried with the non-human souls (not in a covenant relationship with God) around them.

The sons of God were not sons of MAN. Adam was God's direct creation. The Angels were God's creation. Eve was created out of God's previous creation.

the Seth line was and has been debunked many years ago. One problem, with this interpretation is the women of Seth. Yes, the women. ? All the women are Canaanites?????? WHY...WHY..WHY...where not any of the other women pretty enough or something??????? So far no one has really answered this question but rather they have dodged it and tried to change the subject.

 

[Issachar92]

To me it feels like the preterism view is awfully complicated.
They have to symbolize a lot of things to mean one thing only, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

The danger I can see with an allegorical interpretation is that you can come up with all sorts of doctrines and ideas and make it match any historical event if you symbolize and look hard enough.
This is why I think the literal interpretation is vastly superior because it can only be interpreted one way which means everyone will get the same PLAIN doctrine by just reading the text as it is.

I also think if someone has to spend an hour explaining away one verse, maybe they got the wrong interpretation?

 

[Ahwatukee]

To me it feels like the preterism view is awfully complicated.
They have to symbolize a lot of things to mean one thing only, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

The danger I can see with an allegorical interpretation is that you can come up with all sorts of doctrines and ideas and make it match any historical event if you symbolize and look hard enough.
This is why I think the literal interpretation is vastly superior because it can only be interpreted one way which means everyone will get the same PLAIN doctrine by just reading the text as it is.

I also think if someone has to spend an hour explaining away one verse, maybe they got the wrong interpretation?

Good morning Issachar92,

Full Preterism is dangerous in that, along with allegorizing end-time events, claiming that the resurrection has already taken place, puts them under the same condemnation as Hymeneas and Philetus who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. Regarding this, Paul called it godless chatter, that it would spread like gangrene, that they had wandered from the truth and that they were destroying the faith of some. Preterism is detrimental to ones salvation.

The correct way to read the book of Revelation is "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." Take it at face value unless there is obvious symbolism. People who interpret Revelation as being completely symbolic are in error right from the get-go. In his book, one writer proclaimed that the book of Revelation is hyperbole i.e. exaggerated, not to be taken literally.

Those who do so will never be able to properly interpret the book of Revelation or end-time events.