Not By Works

[Ariel82]

I agree with all. I do feel that if one denies Christ, he is lost, but that's a different thread.

What is interesting is when somone says they'll only believe what Jesus says,
And then verses are posted that are DIRECTLY from Jesus
And they are questioned!

My question was,his motive in posting.
.I don't believe those verses say what he wants them to say. If he is trying to use them to show you can lose your salvation.

 

[followjesus]

I said Jesus clothed us.

Currently we are wearing this:

Ephesians 6:10-18New International Version (NIV)

The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
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But when He comes back He will give us white robes.

if you look closely ariel, it is instructions for us to put that armor on, it doesnt say you have been suited up already, it says put on these things, you stand firm. He directs us to pray He doesnt say Jesus already prayed for you. your wuote here is directions for what to do, written to believers. that is the thing paul teaches many things meant for us to do, not because we dont need to, jesus already Has....but we do those things Because of what Jesus did do, in teaching the gospel, and then dying for us to be included. but we are the ones who do the things taught.

Paul is always saying " you do this, because Jesus did what He did" i would simply challenge you to look at what is there and ask is paul saying youve already been suited up, or is He saying suit up, Jesus provided the armour, we are to stand firm and suit up with it. stroll through His epistles looking for whether He is saying theres nothing you can do, or if Hes saying do these things Because of the vast, Long deep wide and High Love of Jesus Christ who suffered so much for you.

 

[FranC]

2 Peter 2
14They have eyes full of adultery,g insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slavesh of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”****

They are children of the Earthly Jerusalem, Hagar and the Old covenant and not the Heavenly Jerusalem, Sarah and the new covenant.

This are people who are not chastened by the Holy Spirit and not born again Children who inherit eternal life but hated siblings like Esau.

What do you think it mean to go the way of Balaam?

Ariel,
I'm truly surprised at you. You seem so smart and down to earth.
Could you read the above again and see if you don't see this?

Some people who had escaped the defilement of the world, BY THE KNOWLEDGE of the Lord and SAVIOR Jesus Christ
have AGAIN becme entangled in the defilement and are overcome by the world.

so, the people were lost, then escaped the defilement of the world --- now they are saved.
Then they have AGAIN become intangled --- now they are lost again

And I'd like to hear someone on this thread explain BY THE KNOWLEDGE and tell me it means of the mind, what with all the Greek lessons going on here ---- I certainly hope people here know what Knowledge means in the Greek.

Mathew 1:25
English Standard Version
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

 

[followjesus]

Pardon. Jesus the messiah on earth, a young man goes on his knees before the King
and asks what he must do. It was all a show, here I am, rich, successful, know my
scriptures, this is the crowning of my achievement.

And Jesus says follow me. God is inviting him to walk into eternity. A showman who
will have to become ordinary, be like everyone else. Religion was just a badge so people
could admire him, wealth and faith, together, a double wammy.

But following Jesus was just too much, no pride, no glory, no standing for adulation.
But God was there calling him, if he truly wanted the Lord, there was nothing to stop him.
Many today feel the same way, being a doorkeeper in the Kingdom would be too lowly
for them.

id be satisfied with the job of washing feet at the furthest door away as long as its in His Kingdom.

I want to Know what is beyond our comprehension to imagine those things God has prepared for those who Love Him, no eye has seen nor ear has Heard....but if im washing feet il be able to see and Hear and it will not dissapoint thats for certain

 

[Ariel82]

Jesus word matthew 6:14-15 "For IF YE forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father WILL ALSO forgive you: 15But IF YE forgive not men their trespasses, NEITHER WILL your Father forgive your trespasses."

forgive others or God will chastens you.

Jesus word matt:7:2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

make sure you practice righteous judgement and don't be a hypocrite...lots of folks need to remember this one...

Jesus word ....Matt. 7:21"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

yep fares among the wheat faking like Judas Iscariot did for the money, power and game.

Jesus word Matt 7:24-27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

Jesus is the only Rock on can build upon. All else is shifting sand.

Matt 16:24-27Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Weigh the cost...are you willing to give up your life to follow Jesus?

27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

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yep see above post about gold, silver,precious jewels,hay and stubble...

Luke 11:28 "But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

true..

Jesus word about the holy spirit john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

yes we are sealed by the Holy Spirit..

Luke 9:26 "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."

proudly proclaim Jesus to the world..

Jesus said consistantly its about His word, following Him, learning from Him. there is no reason for any of us to question His word. if what Jesus says sounds like its not right, its because our belief is not right and we need to change and conform our belief to What He said. Jesus very clearly taught what to do and how to Live. He taught the consequences for refusal of His word, and reward for accepting and keeping His word. He taught that those who persevere in His word would be saved.

And that's where we disagree.

Jesus said faith in Him and His redeeming work on the cross saves.

The above is how we should run the race but the prize is NOT salvation but a crown of righteousness to be given to some in Heaven.

 

[FranC]

Sure.....for claiming knowledge of the bible you sure miss a lot....No man comes to the Father except through Jesus and the way to hell is broad and MOST go that route....even the number that peddles works will go that route according to Jesus.....under the designation "many"

Thank you once again for being God and telling me I'm going to hell.
And the billions of Others.

Do you read what I post?
Do you understand what it is I'm saying to you?
§Are you like a parrot and you just keep repeating the same sinful things?

people here should stop posting just so YOU could stop sinning.

 

[Ariel82]

if you look closely ariel, it is instructions for us to put that armor on, it doesnt say you have been suited up already, it says put on these things, you stand firm. He directs us to pray He doesnt say Jesus already prayed for you. your wuote here is directions for what to do, written to believers. that is the thing paul teaches many things meant for us to do, not because we dont need to, jesus already Has....but we do those things Because of what Jesus did do, in teaching the gospel, and then dying for us to be included. but we are the ones who do the things taught.

Paul is always saying " you do this, because Jesus did what He did" i would simply challenge you to look at what is there and ask is paul saying youve already been suited up, or is He saying suit up, Jesus provided the armour, we are to stand firm and suit up with it. stroll through His epistles looking for whether He is saying theres nothing you can do, or if Hes saying do these things Because of the vast, Long deep wide and High Love of Jesus Christ who suffered so much for you.

Long as you aren't saying you make your armor, I don't see what issues you have with my statements.

You can put your own armor on if you like.

God put mine on for me and is teaching me how to use it.

 

[Ariel82]

Ariel,
I'm truly surprised at you. You seem so smart and down to earth.
Could you read the above again and see if you don't see this?

Some people who had escaped the defilement of the world, BY THE KNOWLEDGE of the Lord and SAVIOR Jesus Christ
have AGAIN becme entangled in the defilement and are overcome by the world.

so, the people were lost, then escaped the defilement of the world --- now they are saved.
Then they have AGAIN become intangled --- now they are lost again

And I'd like to hear someone on this thread explain BY THE KNOWLEDGE and tell me it means of the mind, what with all the Greek lessons going on here ---- I certainly hope people here know what Knowledge means in the Greek.

Mathew 1:25
English Standard Version
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Did you read or understand anything I posted or just see it wasn't how you saw it and ignored everything said?

I mention the old and new covenant,hagar, Sarah, and more, but no comment on any thing I said.

 

[blue_ladybug]

ROFL.. All Matthew 1:25 says, is that Joseph and Mary didn't have sex until AFTER Jesus was born..

Ariel,
I'm truly surprised at you. You seem so smart and down to earth.
Could you read the above again and see if you don't see this?

Some people who had escaped the defilement of the world, BY THE KNOWLEDGE of the Lord and SAVIOR Jesus Christ
have AGAIN becme entangled in the defilement and are overcome by the world.

so, the people were lost, then escaped the defilement of the world --- now they are saved.
Then they have AGAIN become intangled --- now they are lost again

And I'd like to hear someone on this thread explain BY THE KNOWLEDGE and tell me it means of the mind, what with all the Greek lessons going on here ---- I certainly hope people here know what Knowledge means in the Greek.

Mathew 1:25
English Standard Version
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

 

[Grace777x70]

I will post this one more time so that there can be no more mis-representing of what is being said about works. It just baffles my mind how people can say the complete opposite of what you are saying no matter how many times you say it.

I don't chafe at the term "our doing". We do participate in what God is doing in and through us.

What I would chafe at is the notion that we put "the doing" from ourselves by self-effort and not from the life of Christ in us. It's all a matter of where this "work originates" from - our flesh or from our inner man in Christ.

Outwardly they can look the same. I know that only God that looks on our heart can answer that question but it is subtle difference between works-based righteousness and faith-based righteousness.

Another term I use a lot that may throw some off is that I say we are to "rest" in the finished work of Christ. The word "rest" can bring the connotations that we do nothing which is not the truth. It's the exact opposite.

I won't speak for the others but as far as works or fruit go from a believer in Christ - here is what I believe when considering John Chapter 15 and the "works/fruit" of a believer.

Jesus is the Vine - we are the branches. The branch bears fruit..it does not produce it.

Without Him we can do nothing. We are to remain/abide/rest in the Lord - abide/remain/rest in the Lord and what He has done for us in His finished work. John 15

The life of the Vine supplies the "sap"needed for the bearing of fruit but it is His fruit that is produced in us.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not a lazy passive existence where we do nothing as some like to accuse others of believing.

When we know that God has already provided everything we need and we access His wisdom, provision, strength by faith - we'll be governed by the Holy Spirit in a highly strategic and active life.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is not an inactive lifestyle. It's a Spirit-led lifestyle where we flow in good works ( His fruit bearing in us ) that God had planned for us all along.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our obedience in action.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our warfare.

Resting/remaining/abiding in the Lord is our faith in action. - we are fighting the good fight of faith

Hebrews 4:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

There is a vast difference between "us" doing things and the Lord doing things through and in us.

We can do things in our own flesh like Abraham tried to fulfill the will of God by creating an Ishmael or wait for the Lord to work through us to produce the child of promise - Isaac. Galatians 4:22-24, 30

Psalm 127:1 (NASB)

Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.

 

[Ariel82]

We can do Greek...

Greek Concordance: ἐπιγνώσει (epignōsei) -- 7 Occurrences

Philemon 1:6 N-DFS
GRK: γένηται ἐν ἐπιγνώσει παντὸς ἀγαθοῦ
NAS: through the knowledge of every
KJV: by the acknowledging of every
INT: might become in [the] acknowledgment of every good [thing]

2 Peter 1:2 N-DFS
GRK: πληθυνθείη ἐν ἐπιγνώσει τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God
KJV: through the knowledge of God,
INT: be multiplied in [the] knowledge of God

2 Peter 2:20 N-DFS
GRK: κόσμου ἐν ἐπιγνώσει τοῦ κυρίου
NAS: of the world by the knowledge of the Lord
KJV: through the knowledge of the Lord
INT: world through [the] knowledge of the Lord

 

[Ariel82]

Philemon 1v 6and I pray that the sharing of your faith may become effective for the full knowledge of every good thing that is in us for the sake of Christ

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Knowledge of Christ could be about seeing the blessings being a part of a Spirit filled church had to offer. Not "knew" in a sexual or intimate sense.

 

[followjesus]

I agree with all. I do feel that if one denies Christ, he is lost, but that's a different thread.

What is interesting is when somone says they'll only believe what Jesus says,
And then verses are posted that are DIRECTLY from Jesus
And they are questioned!

That is exactly what the blindfold of accepting a false doctrine does sister. the gog teaches blaitantly that only Jesus words that are conditionless such as " the owrk of God is this, to believe in the One He has sent" <<those things are for christians, but when Jesus in whom that verse is saying believe in Him, says " do this orthis or that" which you understand like myself and others He is all about directing and teaching us, then the gog teaches thats "the law of moses and you died to it" , only whats after the cross is for you even in light of the great commission matt 28:18-20, clearly says go into all the world and teach them to obey whatsoever i have commended you <<<this statement is made after the "cross" but still its not acceptable if there smething meant to do.

to really understand the other side of this, you have to see the teaching they are coming from from such as paul ellis and joseph prince, among many others today. its gone further than calvin even did. much further than billy graham. its outright denial of the gospel. Have you noticed its " the gospel of the grace of christ" <<it even removes Jesus name from its title. based on the way paul spoke, which we are warned of by Peter. There is proper order the 4 gospels as you know already have to be the foundation in order to understand what the apostles are even saying. Paul Just was educated different so His words are different, but His teachings are the same.

its just blindness because the Light is found in the true Gospel. His word is the light so the gog preachers have to sell the "real truth" for 19.95 and Jesus doesnt win popularity contests when you know His word, so they omit those things people dont like to Hear such as " you cannot serve both God and money" so the book labels it Law. someone who holds grudges doesnt want to Hear " if you forgive men when they sin against you, your father will forgive you, but if you dont, he wont" so, they call it law even thought none of these teachings are in the Law of moses, they make is seem like the gospel changed and its all about exalting the word grace.

 

[FranC]

forgive others or God will chastens you.

make sure you practice righteous judgement and don't be a hypocrite...lots of folks need to remember this one...

yep fares among the wheat faking like Judas Iscariot did for the money, power and game.



Jesus is the only Rock on can build upon. All else is shifting sand.



Weigh the cost...are you willing to give up your life to follow Jesus?

yep see above post about gold, silver,precious jewels,hay and stubble...

true..

yes we are sealed by the Holy Spirit..

proudly proclaim Jesus to the world..


And that's where we disagree.

Jesus said faith in Him and His redeeming work on the cross saves.

The above is how we should run the race but the prize is NOT salvation but a crown of righteousness to be given to some in Heaven.

Two commens:

1. You ask if we're willing to give up our lives to follow Jesus.

Most here are not even willing to say they have to do works for Jesus -- forget about giving up their lives.

2. The race is not for salvation but for a crown. So Paul and Peter and Barhalomew and Others, travelled all over and gave up their life for a crown or a reward, not for salvation? That was rather smart of them, what say you?



§The following is a Greek Bible commentary on 1 Corinthians 9:24-27


Expositor's Greek Testament

1 Corinthians 9:24-27. § 30. PAUL’S ASCETICISM. The last words of § 29 indicate that the writer feels his own salvation to be bound up in his mission to his fellowmen.

The self-denial practised for the latter of these objects is necessary, in point of fact, for both. His example should teach the Cor[1383] the need of stern self-discipline on their personal account, as well as in the interests of weaker brethren.

From 1 Corinthians 9:24 onwards to 1 Corinthians 10:22 P. pursues this line of warning, addressed to men who were imperilling their own souls by self-indulgence and worldly conformity. Of the danger of missing the prize of life through indiscipline P. is keenly sensible in his own case; he conveys his apprehension under the picture, so familiar to the Cor[1384], of the Isthmian Games.

 

[Ariel82]

ἐγίνωσκεν ►
Englishman's Concordance
ἐγίνωσκεν (eginōsken) — 4 Occurrences
Matthew 1:25 V-IIA-3S
GRK: καὶ οὐκ ἐγίνωσκεν αὐτὴν ἕως
KJV: And knew her not
INT: and not knew her until

Mark 15:10 V-IIA-3S
GRK: ἐγίνωσκεν γὰρ ὅτι
NAS: For he was aware that the chief priests
KJV: For he knew that the chief priests
INT: he knew indeed that

Luke 7:39 V-IIA-3S
GRK: ὁ προφήτης ἐγίνωσκεν ἂν τίς
NAS: were a prophet He would know who
KJV: a prophet, would have known who and
INT: a prophet would have known anyhow who

John 2:25 V-IIA-3S
GRK: αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐγίνωσκεν τί ἦν
NAS: for He Himself knew what
KJV: for he knew what was
INT: he indeed knew what was

Greek Concordance: ἐγίνωσκεν (eginōsken) -- 4 Occurrences

 

[Ariel82]

Two commens:

1. You ask if we're willing to give up our lives to follow Jesus.

Most here are not even willing to say they have to do works for Jesus -- forget about giving up their lives.

2. The race is not for salvation but for a crown. So Paul and Peter and Barhalomew and Others, travelled all over and gave up their life for a crown or a reward, not for salvation? That was rather smart of them, what say you?



§The following is a Greek Bible commentary on 1 Corinthians 9:24-27


Expositor's Greek Testament

1 Corinthians 9:24-27. § 30. PAUL’S ASCETICISM. The last words of § 29 indicate that the writer feels his own salvation to be bound up in his mission to his fellowmen.

The self-denial practised for the latter of these objects is necessary, in point of fact, for both. His example should teach the Cor[1383] the need of stern self-discipline on their personal account, as well as in the interests of weaker brethren.

From 1 Corinthians 9:24 onwards to 1 Corinthians 10:22 P. pursues this line of warning, addressed to men who were imperilling their own souls by self-indulgence and worldly conformity. Of the danger of missing the prize of life through indiscipline P. is keenly sensible in his own case; he conveys his apprehension under the picture, so familiar to the Cor[1384], of the Isthmian Games.

So the guy is like Iraenus...doesn't mean he is right.

Paul preached against believing works of the Law (which is the moral code written in all men's heart) saves...only Jesus saves.

If you prefer commentaries to the Bible, it's your choice.

 

[Grace777x70]

In fact people that believe in the gospel of the grace of God in Christ are quick to say that we are saved unto good works.

Where the "conflict" arises is from the nature and origin of the work - self-effort or from the life of Christ manifesting in and through us.

Outwardly they look the same. Abraham tried to "do the will" of God and tried "to fulfill the word of God " in his own self-effort and created an Ishmael.

( much the same as can be done by trying "to do" Jesus' words in our fleshly will-power )

God doesn't recognize our own efforts in the flesh even when trying to fulfill the words of God.

God told Abraham "Take your son, your only son..." God did not even acknowledge Ishmael as a legitimate son.

God only acknowledges that which is "born of Him and His life".

 

[followjesus]

Long as you aren't saying you make your armor, I don't see what issues you have with my statements.

You can put your own armor on if you like.

God put mine on for me and is teaching me how to use it.

I have no problem with what you have said at all, but im able to debate and then leave it there go ask God to forgive myself and others if there be any offense and then move on. I have zero issue with you because you arent about explaining whyu Jesus words dont apply <<< thats the only thing that i take issue with.

I was simply asking you to take a look at the scriptures you posted is all, hoping you might see the difference of whats there. im glad Hes teaching you to use it. ill just refrain from this debate it seems like the same debate ive ended up in for a year or more on here. i was just honestly tryoing to stir up a sight in you, but it sounds like you have it worked out . God bless in the things of Jesus Christ

 

[Grace777x70]

For some reason this quote about the indwelling life of Christ drives some people off the deep end. Why this truth expressed here which is to rely on Christ inside of us for doing good works would "bother" anyone other then someone that feels any one can good things and all is fine. This statement would bother any of us that has a works-based belief system and I can understand why.

Quote:

You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.

The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose.

The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!

The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).

We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.

.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God.

“Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice.

You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."



Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ

 

[Ariel82]

If your foundation is faith in Jesus finished work on the cross for the remission of your sins, his ressurection and ascension to heaven. If you are sealed with God's holy spirit than you WILL BE SAVED, even if all your works burn up in the fire. God will pull you out, like He did Daniel's three friends.

However if your works stand and are gold or silver,you will get a reward in Heaven. This is the crown Paul races for, NOT salvation.

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1 Corinthians 3
10According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilledb master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

No comments on this scripture?