The Torah of Moses is the Talmudic interpretation of Torah not Torah which if translated correctly is Instruction not law. Shaul, Yeshua, Peter, and the earliest believers in Messiah did keep the instructions of Torah out of love for YHWH.
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The Torah of Moses is the Talmudic interpretation of Torah not Torah which if translated correctly is Instruction not law. Shaul, Yeshua, Peter, and the earliest believers in Messiah did keep the instructions of Torah out of love for YHWH.
They were free from the law of Moses , they died to the law of Moses and were not under the law of Moses and as they grew in the grace and knowledge of Christ - they began to walk in His life more.
Let me ask you a question. Is it a sin for a gentile Christian to not observe the Sabbath day as in the law of Moses? Do they not obey the Lord if they don't observe the Sabbath as in the law of Moses?
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very true, very true! They can USE and ABUSE scripture and twist it like a pretzel to their liking
Yes they miss the mark and as I said before the "law of Moses" is not the same as Torah. Look it up! Jewish Religion holds the "law of Moses" above the Torah and that is their error. Christian Religion forsake Torah outright and make Messiah out to be a liar because they have been taught wrong from their fathers.
Who now sits on the seat of Moses folks. Messiah does and He is the only one that can change Sabbath however He won't because He is Lord of the Sabbath.
Shaul counted the law of Moses as ding not Torah. Why would he say he still kept it all if he didn't? Why would he be so excited that so many people zealous for Torah where coming to know Messiah? I'm not twisting scripture y'all are.
Also Shaul was Rabbi of Rabbis and kept the law of Moses better than most. Until he came to know Messiah and was blinded. What makes us think that that couldn't happen to us? Being the whole world worships Messiah and not Elohim by their faith without works.
Law of Moses better known as Mishnah is what Messiah preached against. Yes Moses wrote down the Torah of YHWH Elohim. The law of Moses was written down as a testimony against the people when they would come into the land and forget YHWH their Elohim. The Mishnah wasn't written down but oral law and tradition the Jewish Religion is following not Torah. It is where the Pher. Sit on the seat of Moses making laws to guard Torah that got them in trouble. Christian religions today do the same thing and by their teaching violate Elohim Torah which is of the spirit.
Did you answer this question?
Let me ask you a question. Is it a sin for a gentile Christian to not observe the Sabbath day as in the law of Moses? Do they not obey the Lord if they don't observe the Sabbath as in the law of Moses?
I want to understand this correctly.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law of Moses.
The purpose of the law of Moses was :
1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.
People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.
If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.
It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10
I believe the law of God is not the Law of Moses. It was the law or principle that was with the Trinity from eternity which is their nature and character being manifested. As John puts it - "That which was from the beginning".
I just read through it again. It says the false teachers are the ones doomed...
"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber"
It says "their destruction". Doesn't say anything about destruction of a believer. Emphasis above is on false teachers and false prophets.
Yeah, as a believer you don't want to get sucked into false teachings, getting lost in the shuffle. As the scriptures say.... Ephesians 5:8-11: "For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
How can God use you if you're following heresies. So pretty important, hence the warning to be aware of it. Nothing about losing salvation though.
Simple response. Murdering someone is fine, because nothing is unlawful.
We are still slaves to righteousness but because our hearts desire it.
What some are missing is this desire and they do not know why.
Emotional history matters and the lusts of the flesh need to be conquered
by the cross and love, washed clean by the blood, seeing beyond desire to
its consequences, because Christ is everything to us, Amen, Halleluyah
We are still slaves to righteousness but because our hearts desire it.
What some are missing is this desire and they do not know why.
Emotional history matters and the lusts of the flesh need to be conquered
by the cross and love, washed clean by the blood, seeing beyond desire to
its consequences, because Christ is everything to us, Amen, Halleluyah
I think your confusing the law," Torah " with the law of Moses friend. I follow the Torah of the spirit and it reveals Messiah to me daily, especially when I miss the mark. So you show me your faith and I show you my faith by my works.
As I understand it, Nimrod (first king of Babylon) was the creator of paganism (where religion itself first began), all the way back in Genesis. The paganism eventually spread to Egypt, etc, and was later embraced by Rome. To gain control of the people, Rome created their own religion in which they merged the paganism with christianity, since christianity had become so popular and they were trying to attract the christians, to control them.
The catholic church isn't even catholic... it's Babylonian. Mystery Babylon.
As for the Jews, they did get mixed up in the paganism, worship of statues, etc.
The ten commandments are the Law of Moses. I do agree that the true law of God is not the law of Moses which has 613 things in it - including the 10 commandments.
The keeping of the law of Moses including the 10 - does not make one righteous. Christ alone does that.
Did you answer this question?
Let me ask you a question. Is it a sin for a gentile Christian to not observe the Sabbath day as in the law of Moses? Do they not obey the Lord if they don't observe the Sabbath as in the law of Moses?
I want to understand this correctly.
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You believe Jesus would call a true believer "son of perdition"?? The name says the person is eternally damned while still alive. Since the future Antichrist is also called a son of perdition, are you suggesting he will be a true believer also?
In my last post, the scripture states that Judas was lost.
Those who are of Christ are no longer condemned... we have a new life in Christ.
I covered it in my previous post, so here it is again...
Katy-follower said:
First pastors shooting up heroine.. and now sacred cows being threatened with a knife
First pastors shooting up heroine.. and now sacred cows being threatened with a knife
LOL....Yep! - both are fruit from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Same tree - different manifestations of it.
Judas is typified as one of the many antichrists that were there in the first century. It would seem Judas was not given the grace of God.
The number twelve used as a metaphor is used to represent the whole of whatsoever is in view, it is without Judas. The twelve apostles (sent ones) as a remnant of all the apostles listed.. represents all of the believers on this side of the cross as Christ sends us out two by two
In the book of Revelation the twelve tribes are used to represent all of the Old Testament saints.
The tribe of Dan was excluded in the same way Judas was. Dan is typified as a serpent falling backward a indication of being under the judgment of God.
Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall "fall backward".
Falling back or backwards is like bring down fire consuming the enemies of God. It is a tradition today that those who seek after a sign before they believe. They have turned the falling back, upside down, as if it was a blessing.
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Again by looking at falling backward. I think that represents the same as Dan, those under the judgment of God.
They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Joh 18:6
The body of Chrsit one wife made up of Apostles as foundational stones and tribes to represent the city of Christ, the heavenly city prepared as the bride of Christ, the church, one gospel.