The Gun Thread
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my friend was at a service station yesterday waiting for fresh coffee to be brewed.
he noted that out of the 20 magazines in the rack, 12 were wholly concerned with guns.
imagine you were a Vulcan, and at the Vulcan refueling station there was a magazine rack.
imagine 60% of the Vulcan magazines were about deadly nerve pinches.
is this logical?
Awesome sauce.
It's logical if it's meeting customer demands.
logical for sales, lol, but inasmuch as it comments on the consumers themselves . . .
well . .
guns are lousy at opening packaged food
actually "a soft answer" doesn't really do much for canned beans either
moral:
use the right tool for the job
Peterjens- if you were fired upon and you wore a vest would you ask the perpetrator to "please shoot me in the vest"?
I think you being a subject and not a citizen as Americans are affects your view.
We americans see this in some Canadians as well.
best wishes
I think you being a subject and not a citizen as Americans are affects your view.
We americans see this in some Canadians as well.
best wishes
Peterjens- if you were fired upon and you wore a bullet proof vest would you ask the perpetrator to "please shoot me in the vest"?
I think you being a subject and not a citizen as Americans are affects your view.
We Americans see this in some Canadians as well.
best wishes
I think you being a subject and not a citizen as Americans are affects your view.
We Americans see this in some Canadians as well.
best wishes
Over my life, I have subscribed to 6 different firearm related periodicals and am a life member of the National Rifle Association. Am I not worthy for your world?
Well, no person of sound mind would use a screw driver to hammer a nail.
What'syour point?
i verbatim wrote my point:
use the right tool for the job.
to me, in this context, that brings up a couple questions:
- what's the right job for a tool whose only use is to kill or severely injure living things?
- if a publication is a tool, what is the use of one wholly concerned with deadly weapons?
no one is worthy but Christ.
what about you - what do you think all the money, time and energy you have invested in your life to the subject of deadly weapons says about you? what has the benefit been? have you been able to use any of the knowledge you have gained of various makes and models of killing machines to tangibly or allegorically further your understanding of spiritual things?
i ain't innocent in these regards. i own a firearm and know how to use it. more to the point, i study and practice longsword, a 'tool' useful also only for making war. but in doing so i train my body, exercising, and seek to apply the wisdom of its proper use to the proper use of the spiritual sword.
i am sincerely interested in allegorical wisdom of shooting people with guns as it applies to properly handling the word of truth, if there is any. since you have apparently given much thought to such things, do you have any such insight? what would be the spiritual significance/application of having the safety on/off on "the AK-47 of the Spirit" ?
((or if you keep that portion of your thinking wholly separate from the things of God, that's fine -- though i myself am not inclined anymore to compartmentalize my life in this way. everything i do, i want to see in the light of Christ, whether for good or not, for the sake of knowing the Truth))
innocence and guilt "comes into play" with how we conduct our lives in the sight of God, what we devote ourselves to, and what we put our trust in.
A wound from a 22lr, unless you were fortunate enough to miss the ribs completely and rupture the aorta, would do little more than tick off an attacker that is pumped up on adrenaline and wouldn't even be noticed by someone pumped up on some street grade pharmaceuticals.
what i would malign is obsession.
wouldn't you?
i know a man who literally built an addition onto his house in order to make space to store his rifles and pistols, because there was no more room in his dwelling place for all the ammunition, explosives and guns that he has poured all his money and time into, as though he is a priest of a projectile-weapon religion.
would you say that is healthy behavior?
i told you, i own a weapon. if anyone heard "talking about and handling guns is sinful" it came from their own consciences, not from my mouth.
wouldn't you?
i know a man who literally built an addition onto his house in order to make space to store his rifles and pistols, because there was no more room in his dwelling place for all the ammunition, explosives and guns that he has poured all his money and time into, as though he is a priest of a projectile-weapon religion.
would you say that is healthy behavior?
i told you, i own a weapon. if anyone heard "talking about and handling guns is sinful" it came from their own consciences, not from my mouth.
Don’t underestimate modern ammunition. 40gr at 1600fps is nothing to scoff at.
"I ain't innocent in this regard" was what I referred to.
Yes , you did post that you owned a firearm.
Participating in a shooting sport is not related to harming people.
In fact it is the safest of sports.
That this device may be used to halt an attack and protect people
is another function of some types of firearms.
That it may be miss used does happen.
Yes , you did post that you owned a firearm.
Participating in a shooting sport is not related to harming people.
In fact it is the safest of sports.
That this device may be used to halt an attack and protect people
is another function of some types of firearms.
That it may be miss used does happen.
Know a man who applied a 40 grain projectile traveling at 1600 fps
to an attacker in his shin, shattering the bone and costing him that leg.
a much slower criminal now if he insists on that way of living his
life before the Giver of Life calls the gift of life he has been given
back to Him. Sounds like a merciful correction of behavior and it kept
the good Christian man and family safe to continue to serve the Lord.
to an attacker in his shin, shattering the bone and costing him that leg.
a much slower criminal now if he insists on that way of living his
life before the Giver of Life calls the gift of life he has been given
back to Him. Sounds like a merciful correction of behavior and it kept
the good Christian man and family safe to continue to serve the Lord.
"another function"
lol
so when you are shooting at this:
what exactly are you practicing?
when i spar with my sword, i don't make the excuse that i'm practicing a harmless sport wholly disconnected from the purpose of the tool that i am using, even though we don't use sharps. i could easily kill or severely injure another person even with my blunt nylon federschwert. what i'm doing is literally practicing thrusting and cutting another human being. even when i run through movements alone, i am doing the same thing: practicing motions designed to slice off limbs, break bones and puncture organs. to kill.
yes, weapons are tools. tools intended for exactly one use: to harm and to kill. we can 'practice' using them and call it a sport, but that doesn't change what they are and what their use is. this thread isn't about these, after all, is it?
but this is neither here nor there. i'm not against gun ownership nor against hunting where it is practical.
i am against unhealthy gun 'cultism' and against 'sport hunting' and hunting where it is unnecessary.
and i sincerely would like to hear any spiritual lessons gleaned from gun ownership and use that goes beyond quoting "a strong man armed keepeth his house" as justification for keeping a weapon around for home defense. the point in that is that i have been enriched and blessed by meditating on the skillful use of an actual sword and applying these things to the skillful use of the word of God by allegory, and since a gun is also a weapon ((though much more like a bow than a sword)) i'd like to hear from anyone who has similarly tried to apply their hobby ((?)) to their spiritual life.
bottom line of my stance on this issue is that i am acquainted with dozens of people who have serious unhealthy obsessions with firearms, and that i believe it is a real problem in this country which is encouraged by our culture rather than discouraged. people who have failed to make car payments and rent payments because they bought yet another rifle. people who have lied, stolen and cheated just to get more weapons. people who stockpile more ammunition than the local sheriffs office. people who spend more time cleaning guns they don't use than they do changing their own children's diapers. people who have never read a novel in their entire life but have read a thousand issues of 'guns and ammo'
and i know people who spend thousands of dollars to bring home an hundred dollars worth of meat from an animal that did not need to be culled, and people who spend their saturday afternoons on their back porches indiscriminately killing every animal they see, for no reason other than 'the joy of shooting'
i hate these things.
i don't hate guns.
maybe i'm out of place here, but this is "the gun thread" and it's in the Christian Forum, so i'm hopeful that of all places on the internet to find some legitimate application of the use of a pistol to the Christian faith, this is where it may be found.
lol
so when you are shooting at this:
what exactly are you practicing?
when i spar with my sword, i don't make the excuse that i'm practicing a harmless sport wholly disconnected from the purpose of the tool that i am using, even though we don't use sharps. i could easily kill or severely injure another person even with my blunt nylon federschwert. what i'm doing is literally practicing thrusting and cutting another human being. even when i run through movements alone, i am doing the same thing: practicing motions designed to slice off limbs, break bones and puncture organs. to kill.
yes, weapons are tools. tools intended for exactly one use: to harm and to kill. we can 'practice' using them and call it a sport, but that doesn't change what they are and what their use is. this thread isn't about these, after all, is it?
but this is neither here nor there. i'm not against gun ownership nor against hunting where it is practical.
i am against unhealthy gun 'cultism' and against 'sport hunting' and hunting where it is unnecessary.
and i sincerely would like to hear any spiritual lessons gleaned from gun ownership and use that goes beyond quoting "a strong man armed keepeth his house" as justification for keeping a weapon around for home defense. the point in that is that i have been enriched and blessed by meditating on the skillful use of an actual sword and applying these things to the skillful use of the word of God by allegory, and since a gun is also a weapon ((though much more like a bow than a sword)) i'd like to hear from anyone who has similarly tried to apply their hobby ((?)) to their spiritual life.
bottom line of my stance on this issue is that i am acquainted with dozens of people who have serious unhealthy obsessions with firearms, and that i believe it is a real problem in this country which is encouraged by our culture rather than discouraged. people who have failed to make car payments and rent payments because they bought yet another rifle. people who have lied, stolen and cheated just to get more weapons. people who stockpile more ammunition than the local sheriffs office. people who spend more time cleaning guns they don't use than they do changing their own children's diapers. people who have never read a novel in their entire life but have read a thousand issues of 'guns and ammo'
and i know people who spend thousands of dollars to bring home an hundred dollars worth of meat from an animal that did not need to be culled, and people who spend their saturday afternoons on their back porches indiscriminately killing every animal they see, for no reason other than 'the joy of shooting'
i hate these things.
i don't hate guns.
maybe i'm out of place here, but this is "the gun thread" and it's in the Christian Forum, so i'm hopeful that of all places on the internet to find some legitimate application of the use of a pistol to the Christian faith, this is where it may be found.
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