How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

[EarnestQ]

If the world is flat, who is behind the conspiracy to deceive people for two to three thousand years?

And why would they care in the first place?

If they had that much money and power, wouldn't they just prefer to continue gaining money and power rather than playing such an expensive and pointless game?

 

[EarnestQ]

Which is more likely, that half of the world is in on a pointless conspiracy to deceive the other half, and has been for thousands of years, or that there are a few thousand people who are not in touch with reality, and they encourage one another in their insanity?

In as much as "you can't reason with insanity", what is the point of myself and others spending so much time responding to silly threads like this one?

 

[EarnestQ]

Open your weather app, there's a section for viability. What's the farthest the human eye can see? Like 25 miles at sea level?

I can see hundreds of millions of miles ... at night. The stars are farther away than the horizon.

 

[EarnestQ]

Do those who believe in a flat earth consider satellite TV dishes to be demonic deception?

In light of current TV programming, I will concede that much of it might be "demonic reception."

 

[Posted]

If the world is flat, how do time zones work?

31 sec of a proposed FE model, This is not my video. Most "things" that "work" on the Globe model seem to also "work" on the Flat Model.
[video=youtube;hiOhsKAR6OY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOhsKAR6OY[/video]

 

[Posted]

Which is more likely, that half of the world is in on a pointless conspiracy to deceive the other half, and has been for thousands of years, or that there are a few thousand people who are not in touch with reality, and they encourage one another in their insanity?

In as much as "you can't reason with insanity", what is the point of myself and others spending so much time responding to silly threads like this one?

As I have said earlier, I thank people willing to take a step back and examine what they have been taught. I know as Gods Word states that the whole world is deceived, Rev 12:9 [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So I don't mind entertaining things that MAY be Biblically based like a Stationary Geocentric Flat Earth With Corners. If it is true then those that claim the Bible is inaccurate in this area won't have a leg to stand on.

I don't think it's ok to stereo type "flat earthers" and call them insane.. Maybe some are, but maybe some are just keeping an open mind.
Rom 1:22 [/FONT][FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is of course all my opinion and I wish that anyone being called insane for questioning something is sane enough to know that accusation is false.[/FONT]

 

[GaryA]

You do know - don't you - that there is a HUGE difference between this:

As I have said earlier, I thank people willing to take a step back and examine what they have been taught. I know as Gods Word states that the whole world is deceived, Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So I don't mind entertaining things that MAY be Biblically based like a Stationary Geocentric Flat Earth With Corners. If it is true then those that claim the Bible is inaccurate in this area won't have a leg to stand on.

I don't think it's ok to stereo type "flat earthers" and call them insane.. Maybe some are, but maybe some are just keeping an open mind.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

This is of course all my opinion and I wish that anyone being called insane for questioning something is sane enough to know that accusation is false.

and this:

As I have said earlier, I thank people willing to take a step back and examine what they have been taught. I know as Gods Word states that the whole world is deceived, Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So I don't mind entertaining things that MAY be Biblically based like a Stationary Geocentric Flat Earth With Corners. If it is true then those that claim the Bible is inaccurate in this area won't have a leg to stand on.

I don't think it's ok to stereo type "flat earthers" and call them insane.. Maybe some are, but maybe some are just keeping an open mind.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

This is of course all my opinion and I wish that anyone being called insane for questioning something is sane enough to know that accusation is false.

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( hehe )

 

[Garyoakv]

Okay homie got tired reading all these questions of yours. Type profile says you're 60 , but the internet has information in your fingertips. No excuse. Research it, real talk. And to answer where this started. Re read Genesis.

 

[Garyoakv]

Who told you hundreds of miles? Where did you get that information from. If it's nasa , then please explain how astronauts past through the" deadly radiation, call Allen belts in between the earth and moon" but but we're able to freaken walk on the moon. Hey ,hey.. hey, by the way, why.. is there no stars from moon? Talk about bullshit

 

[PeterJens]

You guys make me laugh.
Either you are trolls or you have no education.

GPS which is on most phones will only work because of special relativity and
satallites in geostationary orbits around the earth.

Now the accuracy of these clocks has to be to 0.000000001 of a second.
The atomic clocks on each satallite have to be adjusted every day to take into
account of relativity effecting the clocks.

Now you can prove this all works because you can see you point on the earth
to within metres/feet.

Now there are satallites that cover the earth, literally and they would all be visible
in a flat earth model and simply would have never been put up there.

Now every launch of satallites costing 100's millions of $, again follows specific limitation
of gravity, earths rotation etc.

So other than you are the only sane people on earth and everyone else is deluded, or
you are the deluded ones, and literally everyone else sees the earth is round.

But hey, we do need a good laugh everyday, so who am I to decry a comedy show.

 

[posthuman]

Okay homie got tired reading all these questions of yours. Type profile says you're 60 , but the internet has information in your fingertips. No excuse. Research it, real talk.

good advice, Oakwood.

hey, by the way, why.. is there no stars from moon?

why you no google?

answer this question:
why don't you see any stars while the sun is out?

((same reason photographs from space of objects like the earth, the moon, or satellites brightly lit by the sun don't show stars in them.))

Talk about bullshit

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cameras-photography/tips/shutter-speed.htm

 

[posthuman]

According to the "vanishing point"
van·ish·ing point
noun
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• 1.
  the point at which receding parallel lines viewed in perspective appear to converge.
  
  
  
• 2.
  the point at which something that has been growing smaller or increasingly faint disappears altogether.
  
  
  

To our perspective looking out on the horizon with a plane flying toward us... wouldn't it have to "appear at the horizon" first and as it flies closer to us, the distance between the horizon and plane "grows" in appearance but in fact the plane never gained or lost altitude. Why wouldn't the same effect happen if the sun was replaced for the plane (on a flat earth)? ~Again, this is a sincere question and I am looking at all options while I learn, we've all got to start somewhere... Knowing that I know nothing compared to the knowledge available is TRUE KNOWLEGE.

no.

perspective does not make things dip below the horizon.

what is being suggested is tantamount to this:

flip the whole plane/sun idea sideways --



imagine the track on the left is a flat world, and the track on the right is your line of vision, looking at the sun.
how far away do the tracks actually cross each other, forming an X ?
so that you see half the sun below the horizon, and half of it above -- while it is not so far away that you can't perceive it at all?

the human eye has a lower limit on what it can see. there are objects so small that your eye can't perceive them.
that's what's meant by "vanishing" in the term "vanishing point" -- objects appear smaller the further away they are, and at some distance, they are too small to perceive anymore.

but that is not what happens with the sun.

the sun does not get so small that you cannot see it.

in fact,

 

[EarnestQ]

The same math and science, gravitational and electron theory that make it possible for you to read this post via your computer, describe the nature of a spherical earth.

If you are using a computer to read and make posts, then you are using the same physics that predict the commonly understood nature of physical reality.

Your argument for superior righteousness, wisdom and understanding of the Bible and the God of Creation can only come if you are making and reading these posts through prayer alone. If you are using a computer, you are admitting that the math and physics that makes up the computer also explains the world as it is know around the world and has been known for at least two thousand years.

Either stop using your computer, because it is based on the demonic deception of "science", or admit the earth is a rough sphere.



Those who dispute the nature of reality and credit it to someone enforcing their imagination (deception) over the whole world (I.E. a conspiracy to promote a spherical earth), are themselves the ones who are trying to enforce their deception over reality.

They are not willing to submit to God's truth in their lives. They are self-deceived and promoting the deception of the father of lies. They are not honoring the God of truth and the truth of God with their self deception.

Unfortunately over 90% of them, I speculate, cannot work through their delusion and therefore nothing I, or anyone else, says will help the break out of their delusion. Only God can help that 90%+.

I am hopeful that there is at least a few percent who are ready to move out of their delusion and perhaps will consider what has been written in the above posts. The 90% would not have read this far in this post.

For those of you who are intentionally promoting this FENS even though you know better, would you please PM me and explain why. I'll not violate your confidence, and you can always just open up a new user name.

Thank you.

 

[Karraster]

Train tracks are interesting. Even more interesting, the builders of those tracks never, ..let that word sink in, (never) factor in the supposed earth curvature. Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. I can't find where any builder of anything, bridges, city planners (flood zoning) any of them.. account for earth curvature...why is that? Hey, if anybody has proof to the contrary, please present it. (my brother in law works for xyz, and he says....is not proof)I have questions..the more I research this the more round spinning ball does not compute.


Where does the 2000 year concensus that the earth is a spinning ball come from? (EarnestQ) In their writings, Luther and Calvin said otherwise.

 

[Posted]

no.

perspective does not make things dip below the horizon.

what is being suggested is tantamount to this:

flip the whole plane/sun idea sideways --

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imagine the track on the left is a flat world, and the track on the right is your line of vision, looking at the sun.
how far away do the tracks actually cross each other, forming an X ?
so that you see half the sun below the horizon, and half of it above -- while it is not so far away that you can't perceive it at all?

the human eye has a lower limit on what it can see. there are objects so small that your eye can't perceive them.
that's what's meant by "vanishing" in the term "vanishing point" -- objects appear smaller the further away they are, and at some distance, they are too small to perceive anymore.

but that is not what happens with the sun.

the sun does not get so small that you cannot see it.

in fact,

I only intend the videos below to help present my question(s). You'd only need to watch the first 40 sec here.
[video=youtube;F8LQ_3jjdMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LQ_3jjdMw[/video]

 

[Posted]

and below you'd watch from 12:00 to how ever long you wish to get the idea of my wondering how these sunsets are possible on a globe with the numbers given in the Heliocentric Model.
[video=youtube;fYLwvffoHPw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYLwvffoHPw[/video]

 

[EarnestQ]

As I have said earlier, I thank people willing to take a step back and examine what they have been taught. I know as Gods Word states that the whole world is deceived, Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So I don't mind entertaining things that MAY be Biblically based like a Stationary Geocentric Flat Earth With Corners. If it is true then those that claim the Bible is inaccurate in this area won't have a leg to stand on.

I don't think it's ok to stereo type "flat earthers" and call them insane.. Maybe some are, but maybe some are just keeping an open mind.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

This is of course all my opinion and I wish that anyone being called insane for questioning something is sane enough to know that accusation is false.

I stand corrected.

Earlier this year I was open to the remote possibility that there might be some evidence for a flat earth myself. But after pondering it and posting on it for the last six months I doubt I can be convinced of a flat earth at all.

I affirm your keeping a "skeptical open mind". I apologize for not bothering to get a better understanding of your position.

Thank you for correcting me.

Regarding the insanity claim: I define "insanity" as living by a false view of reality and refusing to change. By that definition, until we come to Christ, we are all insane. Our sanity grows only as we conform to his nature and love Him more with all of our heart mind body and strength.

By my measure, we are all insane to one extent or another because only Jesus lived a perfect life.

 

[posthuman]

I only intend the videos below to help present my question(s). You'd only need to watch the first 40 sec here.
[video=youtube;F8LQ_3jjdMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LQ_3jjdMw[/video]

the sun is doing exactly what it should do in this video if the earth is a globe, and exactly what is utterly impossible for it to do if the earth is flat. setting.

i don't know what you think i'm supposed to be seeing.

if the earth is flat, the sun should have visibly remained at greater than 15 degrees above the horizon the whole time and moved almost entirely from left to right. it should certainly never appear to be halfway below the horizon -- that's completely impossible in your paradigm.


you're looking for a video that shows the sun shrinking to 30% of it's normal 'noon-time' size, still completely above the horizon at all time, even as much as 30 degrees above the horizon, in northerly latitudes, and somehow mysteriously dimming to complete darkness while doing so ((mysteriously because at 30% smaller, it shouldn't actually be any more than 30% dimmer)). oh yeah, and this should happen in the north, not in the east and west. you want a video showing the sun at midnight, due north, as high in the sky as it actually is about 8 or 9am.

¿porque no comprende usted?

 

[posthuman]

people aren't nuts for questioning things.

people are nuts for completely ignoring plain evidence and clinging to ideas that have been thoroughly discredited 10,000 times.

people are nuts for rejecting the answers they get when they question things.

 

[posthuman]

and below you'd watch from 12:00 to how ever long you wish to get the idea of my wondering how these sunsets are possible on a globe with the numbers given in the Heliocentric Model.
[video=youtube;fYLwvffoHPw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYLwvffoHPw[/video]

this video is so full of lies, misinformation and idiocy that i don't even know where to start.

one thing is that the sun is a small apparent disc in our field of view -- it doesn't fill up the whole sky. so the claim that it should fade across the whole skyline is BS. and all the vids it shows ((some of which look obviously doctored)) are showing a ton of lens flare around the sun that disguises it's actual size -- which hardly changes at all.

but most importantly -- which completely discredits all of that garbage -- is that the sun is actually setting in all of those images. i don't know how many times i have to keep repeating this, but if the earth is a snowglobe, the sun never sets.

perspective only makes the distance between the sun and the horizon appear to shrink with distance, to exactly the same scale, same %, that the sun itself shrinks with distance. it cannot make the sun appear to be below the horizon, especially not halfway below, and especially especially not halfway below while the sun isn't even appreciably changing apparent size.

it really is that simple.

sunrise and sunset completely and utterly discredit flat earth theory.

flat earth = no sunset, no sunrise whatsoever. light at all times. sun visible at all times from entire earth, never less than 10 degrees or so above horizon even at the furthest you can get from it.