Question about Moses

[Adstar]

Why didn't Moses make it into the Promised Land?


Was it because of disobedience or was it because of a lack of faith?

Are they one and the same thing?


I think Moses misrepresented God at the Rock by causing the water to flow by his own strength and understanding instead of relying on the Provision and Work of God. Which caused Israel (and everyone else who would attempt to emulate them) to think that is the way.

Is there more to it than this?

The incident with the Rock and the water was the cause of Moses being banned from the Promised land.. Moses forced Gods hand during that incident.. Moses never gave the glory to God, He never told the people that God told him to do it, As far as they where concerned it was Moses who was bringing water forth from the stone..

Numbers 20:KJV
7 ¶And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

So Moses said that WE as in Moses and Aaron where bringing water out of the Rock for the people.. Now of course God was the only one who could bring water out of the Rock but to the people it would seem that Moses was taking the credit along with Aaron for causing the water to be produced.. Moses had to hit the stone twice.. God was placed between a rock and a hard place because if He did not cause the water to flow then the people would have killed Moses and Aaron on the spot and the whole exodus endevour would have ended in chaos.. So God was forced to bring forth water and was thus humiliated by Moses on that day..

 

[mud]

not just SIN but ..." "Because you did not believe Me, ..........{to hallow
Me in the eyes of the children of Israel,}.......... therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the
land which I have given them.".........
..........the act of striking the rock dishonored God's power to the followers

 

[Grandpa]

Wasn't it also alluded to somewhere that the Rock was Christ and Moses hitting it the reason for Christs Punishment?

Or was that just a story I heard as well...?

 

[Grace777x70]

The first time at the rock - Moses was told to strike it "once" and the water flowed out. The second time Moses took it on himself to strike the rock 2x's.

To me it is an analogy of Christ can only be struck once for our deliverance - not repeated times. The promised land is a type of entering into Christ's completed work.

There are still giants in the land ( which is our flesh ). The promised land is not going to heaven as there will be no giants there to contend with.

Only Caleb and Joshua entered the promised land because they were the only ones that believed the word of the Lord. Let us today also believe the word of the Lord in all that Crist has already done for us so that we can enter into the rest of Christ. ( In Christ there are vineyards that we did not plant and houses we did not build..etc.)

 

[Adstar]

Wasn't it also alluded to somewhere that the Rock was Christ and Moses hitting it the reason for Christs Punishment?

Or was that just a story I heard as well...?

That sounds like a tradition of men if i ever heard one

 

[Grandpa]

Christianity can be confusing and difficult sometimes.

Its hard to believe, to really believe, when the evidence suggests something else. Which is called doubt, which is the enemy of faith....

You know what's kind of awesome though? Even though Moses messed up, numerous times, he still made it to the Kingdom of God. The Lord Jesus Christ was talking to him and Elijah in Matthew 17.

When I first read that Moses didn't enter the Promised Land I thought God had sent him to hell. I thought that was the symbolism. But He didn't. God apparently isn't that harsh. Even during disobedience and lack of faith.

So there is still hope for me. And you too.

 

[Grace777x70]

Wasn't it also alluded to somewhere that the Rock was Christ and Moses hitting it the reason for Christs Punishment?

Or was that just a story I heard as well...?

1 Corinthians 10:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

 

[Grandpa]

That sounds like a tradition of men if i ever heard one

Maybe 1 Corinthians 10...

But then we start getting into what if.

What if Adam wouldn't have eaten from the tree?

What if Moses would have obeyed God at the Rock?

What if the Jews believed in their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ?

What if our philosophy and guesses were correct?

 

[Grace777x70]

Christianity can be confusing and difficult sometimes.

Its hard to believe, to really believe, when the evidence suggests something else. Which is called doubt, which is the enemy of faith....

You know what's kind of awesome though? Even though Moses messed up, numerous times, he still made it to the Kingdom of God. The Lord Jesus Christ was talking to him and Elijah in Matthew 17.

When I first read that Moses didn't enter the Promised Land I thought God had sent him to hell. I thought that was the symbolism. But He didn't. God apparently isn't that harsh. Even during disobedience and lack of faith.

So there is still hope for me. And you too.

I agree...Grandpa

The Israelites died in the wilderness and failed to enter into the promised land. ( the promised land BTW is not going to heaven as there will be no giants in heaven to fight - it's a picture of living in Christ's life here on this earth ).

They did not enter into the promised land because of their unbelief ( some translations have that word as disobedience - Greek word).

Moses did not enter into the promised land as well because of his disobedience - yet Jesus was shown talking with him and Elijah at the Mount of Transfiguration. Moses is with the Lord now.

Moses died in the wilderness with all those other Israelites - all that died in the wilderness had different forms of unbelief/disobedience which led for them not entering into the promised land - which to us is a picture of the life of Christ being manifested in us in this earth now.

It's interesting to note that no one died nor was God angry with any of them that came out of Egypt until the Law was brought forth which the people asked for of Moses. After that - that's when they started to die.

Before that they were in grace based on Abraham's covenant and no one was harmed or died and everything was supplied by the Lord for them.

We need to stop this foolishness about people that are "in Christ" losing salvation for going to be with the Lord and start preaching Christ to people so that they can avoid the pit-falls of this life and walk in the inheritance that is theirs in Christ.

We need to be teaching the grace and love of Christ so that people can be built up in Him and walk in freedom in this present world. God is not looking for ways to keep people away from Him which is why Jesus died for us and took away the sin of the world.

He loves us dearly and wants us to be with Him and has provided everything we need and its through belief in Christ alone.

Let's preach the gospel for in "it" is the power of God for salvation. In "it" the righteousness of God is revealed and the righteous shall live by faith to faith. ( not our own righteous doing although we will do good works by His life in us manifesting our as we grow in Him ) We need to hear the gospel every day as Christians in order to grow up in Him.

And there is a time for warning and rebuke for those that are not relying on Jesus for everything and how we believe will influence the quality of life we have here on this earth.

Some will die prematurely and will not be partakers of the quality of life that is in Christ to those who believe. The answer to unbelief is to preach the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Most people have not probably even heard the real gospel yet so they don't know how to properly life in the true Christian life - which is completely dependent on Christ's finished work.

 

[Grandpa]

I don't think people realize how difficult it is for people to rest in Christ.

Just like the slaves in Egypt had the slave mentality, workers have worker mentalities.

And we all are/were workers at some point. Because it is the law, and our work at it, that brings us to Christ.


Just like everything else we try to do in our own strength and will, its impossible, it can't be done. Without Me you can do nothing.

I have to remind myself of that sometimes. And the Lord reminds me as well...

 

[Miri]

Just something else that came to mind. Maybe there was also an element
that a new season was about the happen.

The old season Egypt, slavery, 40 years wondering, etc Moses was the leader for that
season.

The new season, entering promised land, conquering nations, establishing a new people.
Maybe the new season needed new leaders with new vigour and a fresh vision.

Sometimes it's time to step down from leadership.

So I have another question to ponder on. If... Moses had done everything
correctly would he have entered the promised land and if so, would he then have
quickly died for the new generation of leaders to be raised up.
Or if he had lived, would he have been the right person to continue on and still be the leader.

I kind of see some parellels with my own church here. For over 10 years we have been looking for
a new church building planning, encouraging, praying, etc. The senior pastor is brilliant by the way.

Then when it all came together and just before we moved into the new building, the senior
pastor stepped down it was his idea to retire. He still goes to the church by the way there was
no falling out or conflicts.

The other pastors and elders unanimously agreed to appoint another person up to the role
of senior pastor. The new person is very passionate on evangelism and drawing people to Christ.
Everyone believes he is the right person to take the church forward into this new season of
growth we are experiencing. Every week we hearing of a new person who comes to church
and is born again.

On the very first service we held in the new building, a visitor from the local community came and
was so moved by the service that they had to leave the auditorium as they couldn't stop crying.
They were led to Christ by a church member who noticed.

So a new church building, a new work to start, a new senior pastor.

Was a new leader inevitable for the Israelites?

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't think people realize how difficult it is for people to rest in Christ.

Just like the slaves in Egypt had the slave mentality, workers have worker mentalities.

And we all are/were workers at some point. Because it is the law, and our work at it, that brings us to Christ.


Just like everything else we try to do in our own strength and will, its impossible, it can't be done. Without Me you can do nothing.

I have to remind myself of that sometimes. And the Lord reminds me as well...

I agree...

Sometimes when others "hear" that "we are resting in Christ's work." - they "hear" that we are saying we do nothing. In fact people that believe in the gospel of Christ are quick to say that we are saved unto good works.

Where the "conflict" arises is from the nature and origin of the work - self-effort or from the life of Christ manifesting itself in our lives as we bear His fruit.

Outwardly they look the same. Abraham tried to "do the will" of God in his own self-effort and created an Ishmael. God doesn't recognize our own efforts in the flesh even when trying to fulfill the words of God.

God told Abraham "Take your son, your only son..." God didn't recognize Ishmael as the son of the promise which is by faith in God's word and work only.

Resting in the Lord is not a passive, lazy existence. When we know that God has already provided everything we need in Christ and we access His wisdom, provision, strength, and protection by faith, we'll be governed by the Holy Spirit in a highly strategic and active lifestyle.

Rest is not an inactive lifestyle. It's a Spirit-led lifestyle where we flow in the good works that God had planned for us all along.

Resting in Christ is our warfare,

....resting in Christ is our obedience to the faith,

....resting in Christ is our faith in action.

 

[Grandpa]

Was a new leader inevitable for the Israelites?

I think so.

I think all of Gods Plans are inevitable.

Which is highly controversial. And as you may have noticed I don't have too much of a problem with that... lol

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I was always under the impression that Israel came out of Egypt wandered in the desert for 40 years, went to Canaan. Moses died (because he hit the rock) and in kabaam, Israel took control of Canaan… but that is not what happened.

God told Moses even before the rock that only Joshua and Caleb will enter the promised land.

I didn’t have time to research all the verses myself but I found this handy peace (not my work):

After 11 months in the region of Mount Sinai, the Israelites set out for the "promised land" (Numbers 10:11-12). They soon began to complain about their hardships (11:1). They complained about the food, saying, "If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost - also the cucumbers, melons, leeks, onions and garlic. But now we have lost our appetite; we never see anything but this manna!" (11:4b-6, NIV) Their complaining angered God and frustrated Moses (11:1, 10). Moses prayed (11:2, 11-15). God showed both judgment and grace (11:1b, 33; 11:2, 16-17, 31-32).
After arriving at Kadesh Barnea (along the southernmost part of the promised land), the Lord said to Moses, "Send some men to explore the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites. From each ancestral tribe, send one of its leaders (Numbers 13:1-2, NIV). So they went up and explored the land (13:21). After coming back, they confirmed that the land was good, saying, "it does flow with milk and honey!" (13:27). However, they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size (13:32). "We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them" (13:33b).
That night all the people of the community raised their voices and wept aloud. All the Israelites grumbled against Moses and Aaron (14:1-2b). And they said to each other, "We should choose a leader and go back to Egypt" (14:4). But [Joshua and Caleb], who were among those who had explored the land … said … "If the Lord is pleased with us, he will lead us into that land, a land flowing with milk and honey, and will give it to us. Only do not rebel against the Lord. And do not be afraid of the people of the land… Their protection is gone, but the Lord is with us" (Num 14:6-9b). But the whole assembly talked about stoning (killing) them (Num 14:10a).
The Lord said to Moses, "How long will these people treat me with contempt? How long will they refuse to believe in me?" I will strike them down" (14:11a, 12a). But Moses interceded for Israel and asked God for forgiveness (14:13-19). God replied, "I have forgiven them, as you asked. Nevertheless, … not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their forefathers" (14:20, 23a). The Lord said to Moses, "[Tell them], 'In this desert your bodies will fall - every one of you twenty years old or more … who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land … except Caleb … and Joshua (14:29-30). Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the desert" (14:33).
The next day, the Israelites decided to enter the land anyway (14:40). But Moses said to them, "Why are you disobeying the Lord's command? This will not succeed! Do not go up, because the Lord is not with you. You will be defeated by your enemies" (14:41-42). Nevertheless, in their presumption they went up toward the high hill country … Then the Amalekites and Canaanites who lived in that hill country came down and attacked them and beat them down all the way to Hormah (14:44-45).

 

[Miri]

He hit the rock, then KAbOOM!

That made me laugh

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Moses rebelled against God's commandment. Moses did not sanctify God before the eyes of the children of Israel:

Numbers 27:

12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Get thee up into this mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given unto the children of Israel.

13 And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered.

14 For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.



Moses petitioned for a leader for the Israelites and God granted the request:

Numbers 27:

15 And Moses spake unto the LORD, saying,

16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

17 Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the LORD be not as sheep which have no shepherd.

18 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him;

19 And set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation; and give him a charge in their sight.

20 And thou shalt put some of thine honour upon him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient.

21 And he shall stand before Eleazar the priest, who shall ask counsel for him after the judgment of Urim before the LORD: at his word shall they go out, and at his word they shall come in, both he, and all the children of Israel with him, even all the congregation.

22 And Moses did as the LORD commanded him: and he took Joshua, and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation:

23 And he laid his hands upon him, and gave him a charge, as the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses.



Although Moses did not set foot in the promised land, God showed the land to Moses:

Deuteronomy 34:

1 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,

2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,

3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.

4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.

5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.

9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face

 

[Magenta]

I see where you are coming from, although God did not tell Moses to strike the rock,
only to speak to it. That could have interesting parallells as well. The word became flesh etc.

Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb, and you shall strike the rock, and water shall come out of it, and the people will drink.” And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel. (Exodus 17:6 ESV) Oh, I was thinking about a different passage

 

[FreeNChrist]

Why didn't Moses make it into the Promised Land?

God did take Moses to the Promised Land, didn't He?

 

[FreeNChrist]

[video=youtube;dGxPj15U6Ag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxPj15U6Ag[/video]

 

[eph610]

Wasn't it also alluded to somewhere that the Rock was Christ and Moses hitting it the reason for Christs Punishment?

Or was that just a story I heard as well...?

The Rock represents Jesus because he is the rock and the living water, Moses struck the rock twice, therefore he did not believe in God's way and he put crucified Christ again, through his disbelief.