THE RAPTURE

[God4me]

"24Jesus presented another parable to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. 27The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them.30Let both grow together until the harvest. At the proper time I will tell the harvesters, “First collect the weeds" and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.”

When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, at the same time, the angels will go out and first collect the weeds (wicked) to be thrown into the fire (Hades). After the wicked are gathered, then the angels will gather the wheat (righteous) and they will enter into the millennial period and repopulate the earth along with Israel. The wicked who are collected first are the "one taken" group and the "one left" are the wheat. When the Lord comes to gather His church it will be reversed. The Lord will appear and the righteous in Christ will be gathered first and the wicked will be left and that to endure the wrath of God.

If what you say is true, who is Jesus and His people going to reign over during the 1000 year reign? .
And who will be the ones the devil deceives when he is let loose.
You have to know when Jesus is talking figuratively, and when He isn't.
First the church is raptured, then the antichrist comes, then the 144.000 and the multitude go in the mid trib rapture. Then the two witnesses are raptured.
There is no mention of all the wicked being taken before or during the 1000 year reign.

 

[popeye]

God kept Noah alive when the flood killed the entire world.

In an ark,a type of heaven,miles above the earth,then returned post judgement.

But we must,we must ,not connect those obvious dots right?

 

[popeye]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

If you have the seal of God you are saved when Jesus comes, if you have the mark of or worship the beast you will die when Jesus comes.


Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

i don't see 1000 years x 2 it is the same time period in all these verses and the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were over (2nd resurrection).

If satan is locked up for 1000 years with no one to deceive (he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.) when he come out of prison he has people to deceive (2nd resurrection).Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That fails when the parable of the 10 virgins is brought to light.

The foolish were believers. Born again. "sealed"

 

[God4me]

Hello God4me,

Here is the chronological order of prophetic events according scripture:

* The church is still in the process of being built

* The Lord will appear and the dead will resurrect and the living will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord.

* The antichrist will make his seven year covenant with Israel

* The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments (wrath of God) will continue through the entire seven years.

* In the middle of the seven years, the abomination will be set up in the holy place and the antichrist will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God.

* During that last 3 1/2 years, the antichrist will have authority over the GTS until Christ returns.

* After the 7th bowl has been poured out, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and he will send out his angels and they will first collect the weeds (one taken) who will be killed by that double-edged sword.

* The beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. (Rev.19:20)

* The great tribulation saints who had died will be resurrected (Rev.20:4-6)

* Satan will be thrown into the Abyss and restricted there during Christ's thousand year reign (Rev.20:1-3)

* At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released for one last rebellion, then thrown into the lake of fire (Rev.20:10)

* The unrighteous dead are resurrected and stand before God at the great white throne judgment

* This present heaven and earth depart from God's presence

* New heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem.

* Eternity ...........................................................................

Agreed., We have the basics right, and we agree on the basic events, [The main events]

 

[God4me]

You just demonstrated a prejudgment dynamic.

You need a postjudgement dynamic.

You say,Noah was delivered after the flood.

Noah CAME BACK DOWN, after the flood.

Thanks for the pre trib rapture analogy

I didn't say Noah was delivered after the flood, The flood delivered him.

 

[God4me]

The setting is wrong

The sortof wicked left behind is bizarre

Then they are dealt with as a group. A raptured group.
This only happens at the get judgement,where a group is thrown into a lake of fire.

Tares burned as a group.

Another thing is,only half the earth,under your dynamic,is wicked,the other half are what?

The wicked are left behind at the rapture.

 

[God4me]

Close

The 5foolish were doing that.

Oil is the ticket for the rapture train and wedding chamber

The 5 foolish virgins didn't go up in the rapture, they were left behind.
Although they were Christians, [The oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit], They were backsliden.

 

[Ahwatukee]

If what you say is true, who is Jesus and His people going to reign over during the 1000 year reign?

The great tribulation saints are those who become believers after the church has been gathered and during that last seven years. Many of them will be killed because of their testimony for Christ and the word of God where others will make it through the great tribulation alive. The woman of Rev.12 is Israel and she will be cared for out in the desert by God for that last 3 1/2 in that place prepared for her by God (Mt.24:15-21, Rev.12:6,14). It is the GTS and Israel and all who are born from them during the thousand years who we will rule over with the Lord during that time.

And who will be the ones the devil deceives when he is let loose.

Those whom the devil deceives at the end of the thousand years, will be those who will have been born on the earth during that thousand year period.

There is no mention of all the wicked being taken before or during the 1000 year reign.

If you will and read the parable of the wheat and the weeds in Mt.13, you will see that the parable is speaking about the end of the age, which is when Jesus returns to the earth after God's wrath. This is where he sends out his angels and they "First collect" the weeds, where they will be killed by the double-edged sword, where the birds eat their flesh and their spirits go into Hades which is the place of departed spirits.

 

[popeye]

The wicked are left behind at the rapture.

...along with the 5 foolish virgins. Roughly half the church.

 

[popeye]

The great tribulation saints are those who become believers after the church has been gathered and during that last seven years. Many of them will be killed because of their testimony for Christ and the word of God where others will make it through the great tribulation alive. The woman of Rev.12 is Israel and she will be cared for out in the desert by God for that last 3 1/2 in that place prepared for her by God (Mt.24:15-21, Rev.12:6,14). It is the GTS and Israel and all who are born from them during the thousand years who we will rule over with the Lord during that time.



Those whom the devil deceives at the end of the thousand years, will be those who will have been born on the earth during that thousand year period.



If you will and read the parable of the wheat and the weeds in Mt.13, you will see that the parable is speaking about the end of the age, which is when Jesus returns to the earth after God's wrath. This is where he sends out his angels and they "First collect" the weeds, where they will be killed by the double-edged sword, where the birds eat their flesh and their spirits go into Hades which is the place of departed spirits.

It just dawned on me.

Under your template,you have one with the mark taken. This is a problem.

The one left also has a mark. All the earths population has the mark or looses their heads.

This is WHY Israel is hidden and protected

 

[GaryA]

It does not make [ scriptural ] sense to believe in a 'pre-trib' rapture and, at the same time, also believe that the 'weeds' are "taken" first. The 'rapture' [ itself ] is the "taking" of the 'righteous', and is represented by the reaping of the earth in Revelation 14:16.

 

[God4me]

...along with the 5 foolish virgins. Roughly half the church.

And the Jews

 

[DP]

1Cor.15? What is that actually talking about. I believe it will be the time of the gathering of Gods people. We will meet Christ in the air and then its off to Jerusalem to the kingdom rest. What do you believe and why?

Apostle Paul is speaking of the resurrection and the change to the "spiritual body" of the world to come, both which will manifest on the day of Christ's 2nd coming on the day of The Lord. It is the same timing as the 1 Thess.4 events, and the Matt.24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 events.

Isaiah 25 is where Paul was pulling from in 1 Corinthians 15 about death being swallowed up on that day. It applies to death being swallowed up for all peoples and nations on that day.

Those above Bible Scriptures are revealing that beginning with Christ's future Millennial reign, the only type of death remaining will be the casting into the "lake of fire" at the end of the 1,000 years, which is a spiritual death, called the "second death" in Rev.20.

 

[popeye]

I didn't say Noah was delivered after the flood, The flood delivered him.

Leave out the preparations preflood/ prejudgment?

Leave out that the flood carried Noah up into the heavens with the righteous,and RETURNED to earth POST JUDGMENT?
Leave out that ark is a type of heaven?

Leave out that nothing at all happened post flood/post judgment?

You literally need scissors for that position to get traction.

 

[popeye]

And the Jews

They get ushered to safety. Then gathered in rev 14.

The foolish virgins are martyred then found in heaven rev 7.

All Gods family make it to the wedding feast.

Harvest is 4 parts

In Leviticus

 

[popeye]

The 5 foolish virgins didn't go up in the rapture, they were left behind.
Although they were Christians, [The oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit], They were backsliden.

You are one of the few that understand that.

I was thrown off a site for bringing that to light.

....a pre trib rapture sight.

LOL

 

[popeye]

The Lord told his disciples and therefore all believers that, he was going to the Father's house to prepare rooms for us and that he would return and take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places. The fulfillment of the promise is found in 1 Thes.4:13-17 and 1 Cor.15:51-53. Since we are not appointed to suffer wrath and God's wrath will take place in between now and the time that Christ returns to the earth to end the age, then believers must be removed prior to the beginning of God's wrath.

Also, it is very important for us to be watching for the Lord's return because He told us to. It is referred to as the blessed hope and there would be no blessed hope if we were to go through God's wrath.


Gathering of the church |<----------- Seven Years of Wrath ------------> The Lord's return to the earth

^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[popeye]

Where in the end times, does the Bible say the wicked will be taken and the righteous left.
The ones who are left could be the back sliders, because according to Jesus, only half the Church goes up on the rapture.
And with this deceiving false grace teaching growing the way it is, many many people are living in sin.

Your view makes God a respecter of people. Because if, as you say, they aren't the Church that are left, That will.mean God chosen to take some and not others.

This is a game changer.

Why didn't I see this before.

Makes the one taken,one left a solo pretrib rapture dynamic.

It COULD refer to the gathering of the tares,but that is after the millennium.

What it does,for post tribs,is put a mark on the one taken.

Makes postrib rapture theory impossible

 

[popeye]

We also would have a CHRISTIAN working normally and getting a paycheck,plus millions with the mark eating,working and sleeping DURING THE GT,and not turning in the haters / Christians.

NO WAY THAT IS PLAUSIBLE.

POSTRIB Rapture impossibility

 

[popeye]

If post trib rapture doctrine is carried just a few feet down the road of plausibility it ABSOLUTELY FALLS APART.

Big time