I understand the role and purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rules imposed upon the Government of the USA. I also am familiar with its origins in history and influences such as the Federalist Papers, and the philosophies behind those which were mostly assumed from Ancient Rome and Hellenist Greece.
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But just like you are implying that the constitution does so does the bible. It is interpreted by men to fit their passions desires and whatevers. Lol. And actually....the constitution is as close as it comes to man attempting to emulate the gospel in terms of self governance. The problem is that it is designed to be upheld by Godly men and women but it has been perverted by ungodly ones.......just like the bible. Lol
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^^ This! I agree with what you said totally, except for the end, and I'll explain why in a second. But first, I wish people understood more what we're trying to say....you don't have to agree with what everyone does, but it's important that their rights are protected to do those things, otherwise you live in some fascist dictatorship or theocracy, which is far worse.
As far as guns go, I used to think exactly like you, but I can't deny the evidence. Statistics show something very simple: The more guns that are around, the more deaths and injuries will occur, and the numbers are staggering. Doesn't matter if the violence was intentional or accidental, I'm not talking specifics, just generalizing the data. You're also WAY more likely to shoot a loved one, family/friend, than you are some burglar or something. The fact is we would live in a MUCH safer place if there were NO guns around. I know some will say "Well, people get injured and die from car accidents, should we outlaw cars?" The answer is no. The intended purpose of cars are not to crash...they are useful. People should sky dive if they want to, too. But guns, the ONLY purpose they have is to stop something from moving. Their purpose is to kill, and that's what they do. There is almost no good that can come from them.
This country has more guns already than all other countries put together. There are far more guns than people. Human error proves it's a downward pernicious spiral. You forget to put it away and it gets stolen or finds it's way in a kids hand. Just a single moment of irresponsibility can have deadly consequences...it's just not worth it, I've come to find.
Even in the case where you are a cashier in a store and a robber comes with a gun requesting the money, it's an intimidating and scary situation, and the cashier is likely not trained for these situations and how to handle a gun...their more likely to wind up dead or hurt themselves than if they just comply and give them the money and call the cops ASAP after the burglar leaves. It's the safest way, and this is what cops actually tell store owners. (I have a few cops in my family).
Most other first world countries do not have any of the gun problems we do. We have thousands of deaths each year. It's ridiculous.
I don't think any of us really want to live in the wild west era where everyone is walking down the street with a gun. You go to the supermarket and shop or a bar to drink and everyone is armed at all times? That's just a dangerous environment. I don't trust humans that much. They will screw up and they are irrational and get angry and...it would be just a nightmarish situation. I hope some of these points I've raised will make you re-think your position. But I don't fault you for it....I hate taking away rights too...but I'll make an exception with guns. It's just a bad thing all around. We'd all be safer if they didn't exist.
As far as guns go, I used to think exactly like you, but I can't deny the evidence. Statistics show something very simple: The more guns that are around, the more deaths and injuries will occur, and the numbers are staggering. Doesn't matter if the violence was intentional or accidental, I'm not talking specifics, just generalizing the data. You're also WAY more likely to shoot a loved one, family/friend, than you are some burglar or something. The fact is we would live in a MUCH safer place if there were NO guns around. I know some will say "Well, people get injured and die from car accidents, should we outlaw cars?" The answer is no. The intended purpose of cars are not to crash...they are useful. People should sky dive if they want to, too. But guns, the ONLY purpose they have is to stop something from moving. Their purpose is to kill, and that's what they do. There is almost no good that can come from them.
This country has more guns already than all other countries put together. There are far more guns than people. Human error proves it's a downward pernicious spiral. You forget to put it away and it gets stolen or finds it's way in a kids hand. Just a single moment of irresponsibility can have deadly consequences...it's just not worth it, I've come to find.
Even in the case where you are a cashier in a store and a robber comes with a gun requesting the money, it's an intimidating and scary situation, and the cashier is likely not trained for these situations and how to handle a gun...their more likely to wind up dead or hurt themselves than if they just comply and give them the money and call the cops ASAP after the burglar leaves. It's the safest way, and this is what cops actually tell store owners. (I have a few cops in my family).
Most other first world countries do not have any of the gun problems we do. We have thousands of deaths each year. It's ridiculous.
I don't think any of us really want to live in the wild west era where everyone is walking down the street with a gun. You go to the supermarket and shop or a bar to drink and everyone is armed at all times? That's just a dangerous environment. I don't trust humans that much. They will screw up and they are irrational and get angry and...it would be just a nightmarish situation. I hope some of these points I've raised will make you re-think your position. But I don't fault you for it....I hate taking away rights too...but I'll make an exception with guns. It's just a bad thing all around. We'd all be safer if they didn't exist.
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Again, you don't have to justify it morally to justify it legally. Stop trying to force other people to share your religious beliefs! lol it's so simple. I can't believe people don't get it. Suppose you were a minority with these christian views and the entire country was 95% homosexuals and they wanted to outlaw heterosexuality...would you then realize that it would be wrong to force their views on you?
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I'm not sure honestly. I think they have a different interpretation of homosexuality being an abomination. They interpret abomination as something "not natural" and not something loathed and disgusted. If it is that... the bible is explicit that homosexuality is immoral. The constitution makes no such explicit or implicit statement against it. In fact, the constitution implicitly allows for homosexuality. It's quite a bit different.
I'm very much in favor of certain protections and freedoms that the Constitution allows for. I'm not sure what that has to do with the current presidential choices and their position on the right to bear arms, gay marriage and abortion.
I am in favor for the right of the private citizen to own guns. I'm against gay marriage and abortion and don't see how this is protected by the Constitution. Both of these policies came about not from the Constitution but as a result of liberal judges imposing their own personal view outside of the scope of what the document actually says and provides for.
The biggest threat to gay marriage and abortion comes from the US Constitution itself. Hopefully, one day, future president(s) will appoint Supreme Court Justices who will interpret what the document actually says, and stop imposing their own personal views. When that happens gay marriage and abortions will legally cease to exist.
I am in favor for the right of the private citizen to own guns. I'm against gay marriage and abortion and don't see how this is protected by the Constitution. Both of these policies came about not from the Constitution but as a result of liberal judges imposing their own personal view outside of the scope of what the document actually says and provides for.
The biggest threat to gay marriage and abortion comes from the US Constitution itself. Hopefully, one day, future president(s) will appoint Supreme Court Justices who will interpret what the document actually says, and stop imposing their own personal views. When that happens gay marriage and abortions will legally cease to exist.
No it doesn't. The Bible is of no private interpretation. The denominations that wrest the scriptures to their own doom are simply put, heretics, that's why they are messed up.
The Constitution is nowhere close to the Bible, it stands even in opposition to it. It's the source of much of the problems we see in real life, it's the source of many of the problems we discuss here about America almost daily. Even in the Federalist Papers, the foreirunner documents to the Constitution, ancient roman and greek religion and history is of more affinity to the Constitution than the Bible. So it's of little wonder a lot of the problems that arise in America due to the Constitution are shockingly close to what the ancient histories describe.
The Constitution is nowhere close to the Bible, it stands even in opposition to it. It's the source of much of the problems we see in real life, it's the source of many of the problems we discuss here about America almost daily. Even in the Federalist Papers, the foreirunner documents to the Constitution, ancient roman and greek religion and history is of more affinity to the Constitution than the Bible. So it's of little wonder a lot of the problems that arise in America due to the Constitution are shockingly close to what the ancient histories describe.
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I'll just say I don't shoot to kill anything. I love to go out shooting with my dad and my brothers. I just shoot for the fun of it, target practice. My dad has on occasion hunted deer (which the family would eat). I believe he was a good steward with his weapons in that we always ate what he "stopped moving".
I don't disagree that people are accidentally shot. I think that's more of a broken safety measure than it being the gun's actual fault. I don't disagree that people use weapons to rob and murder people. I just don't think criminals typical go and get their guns legally. To my knowledge, the US doesn't allow the sale of fully automatic machine guns, but yet, criminals still get them somehow.
I'll just say I don't shoot to kill anything. I love to go out shooting with my dad and my brothers. I just shoot for the fun of it, target practice. My dad has on occasion hunted deer (which the family would eat). I believe he was a good steward with his weapons in that we always ate what he "stopped moving".
I don't disagree that people are accidentally shot. I think that's more of a broken safety measure than it being the gun's actual fault. I don't disagree that people use weapons to rob and murder people. I just don't think criminals typical go and get their guns legally. To my knowledge, the US doesn't allow the sale of fully automatic machine guns, but yet, criminals still get them somehow.
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