ok, so alternating daytime and nighttime... is the approximately 12-hour average we see today, or was it significantly different back then?
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ok, so alternating daytime and nighttime... is the approximately 12-hour average we see today, or was it significantly different back then?
I was talking about what your views were.
I believe earlier you agreed that on time four, the word for day/time means 12-hour day in every case except for the end of time four.
I believe you've said that at least some of the other instances of the day/time word mean "time".
so, I conclude from this that, in your view, the passage (gen 1) has the same word for day/time meaning in some instances 12-hour day, and in others "time".
the question was not 'does the word have different meanings in different contexts'
it was 'does the word have different meanings in the same passage in the scriptures'. maybe it does, I don't know... I haven't seen any examples yet.
God is the one doing the accomplishing. how long does God 'need' to do something?
I'd say anywhere from 'instant' to a trillion years or more.
so, the answer that I'm seeing is that no, the story doesn't say how long 'time' is.
at this point, it looks to me like you're being deliberately obtuse.
I asked what your view was, but I don't see anything in your response about your views.
you're a smart person, too smart to be sincerely answering in that way, imo.
But even men had days of indefinite length, they did not see days as the same length, they would see some days as lasting longer than others. They had nothing to measure time with. Days did not have a fixed length. Consider Joshua's long day,
consider how we say 'the day flashed past' or 'its been a long day'.
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Here's something else to consider about the "world that then was" of 2 Pet.3, pointing to why God brought a destruction upon the old earth with a flood of waters to end Satan's original rebellion of old, at some point in between Gen.1:1 and Gen.1:2.
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV
Per Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is simply another title for Satan.
Those phrases above in bold represent the time of Satan's original rebellion against God. That's when Satan drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him in rebellion.
Do you notice within that same timing we are shown Satan did that rebellion of old with a system having "seven heads, and ten horns, and seven crowns"?
That is not about his future system of today that's to have ten crowns per Rev.13:1. That one of old that had only seven crowns involved his exalting himself with that old beast kingdom he first rebelled with, a third of the sons of God in rebellion with him.
That time is about this parable God gave in Ezek.31 using the Assyrian to point to him metaphorically in that time of old when Satan was exalted, and then rebelled against God. There's a similar parable in Ezek.28 about him in that time also:
Ezek 31:3-9
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
KJV
Although God gave that as a message to Pharaoh, and using the Assyrian, we know neither of those were in God's Garden of Eden. But Satan once was.
In Ezek.31:6, God temporarily leaves His parable of using the high cedar and trees in His Garden to symbolize Satan's high status in that time before he rebelled, and then tells us directly, "and under his shadow dwelt all great nations". Why did God leave those symbols with that statement about nations dwelling under his shadow? and then right after that continue with His metaphor of the high cedar and trees in His Garden of Eden? When our Heavenly Father does something like that in His Word, it means He's showing us something we need to consider more deeply.
Our Lord Jesus revealed that point again right there in Rev.12:3-4 about the system of old that Satan as that "red dragon" of old rebelled against God with, drawing a third of the angels into rebellion with him. That means the idea of 'nations'... literally existed in that time old when Satan first rebelled. And it has mean about the sons of God in that time of those nations, not flesh man, for Adam had not yet been created then when Satan first rebelled with that original system of seven heads, ten horns, but only seven crowns.
How many have also missed this in Isaiah 14, where God is giving a proverb (or parable) about Satan again:
Isa 14:7-12
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, "Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, "Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?"
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV
There's that cedar metaphor again with the trees speaking about Satan in verse 8. It's easy to just pass this off and say all that is given about Satan's eventual casting into his pit prison of Rev.20, which it is about that. But our Heavenly Father didn't just use that cedar and trees analogy again here to point to this present world. It's pointing to the parable He gave in Ezekiel 31 about Satan's original status in His Garden also. And I believe that 'nations' pointer is included also.
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV
Per Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is simply another title for Satan.
Those phrases above in bold represent the time of Satan's original rebellion against God. That's when Satan drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him in rebellion.
Do you notice within that same timing we are shown Satan did that rebellion of old with a system having "seven heads, and ten horns, and seven crowns"?
That is not about his future system of today that's to have ten crowns per Rev.13:1. That one of old that had only seven crowns involved his exalting himself with that old beast kingdom he first rebelled with, a third of the sons of God in rebellion with him.
That time is about this parable God gave in Ezek.31 using the Assyrian to point to him metaphorically in that time of old when Satan was exalted, and then rebelled against God. There's a similar parable in Ezek.28 about him in that time also:
Ezek 31:3-9
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
KJV
Although God gave that as a message to Pharaoh, and using the Assyrian, we know neither of those were in God's Garden of Eden. But Satan once was.
In Ezek.31:6, God temporarily leaves His parable of using the high cedar and trees in His Garden to symbolize Satan's high status in that time before he rebelled, and then tells us directly, "and under his shadow dwelt all great nations". Why did God leave those symbols with that statement about nations dwelling under his shadow? and then right after that continue with His metaphor of the high cedar and trees in His Garden of Eden? When our Heavenly Father does something like that in His Word, it means He's showing us something we need to consider more deeply.
Our Lord Jesus revealed that point again right there in Rev.12:3-4 about the system of old that Satan as that "red dragon" of old rebelled against God with, drawing a third of the angels into rebellion with him. That means the idea of 'nations'... literally existed in that time old when Satan first rebelled. And it has mean about the sons of God in that time of those nations, not flesh man, for Adam had not yet been created then when Satan first rebelled with that original system of seven heads, ten horns, but only seven crowns.
How many have also missed this in Isaiah 14, where God is giving a proverb (or parable) about Satan again:
Isa 14:7-12
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, "Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, "Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?"
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV
There's that cedar metaphor again with the trees speaking about Satan in verse 8. It's easy to just pass this off and say all that is given about Satan's eventual casting into his pit prison of Rev.20, which it is about that. But our Heavenly Father didn't just use that cedar and trees analogy again here to point to this present world. It's pointing to the parable He gave in Ezekiel 31 about Satan's original status in His Garden also. And I believe that 'nations' pointer is included also.
The behemoth of the Book of Job? I believe that's about a dinosaur. Are you going to pop that Job Scripture at me about Job being created with the dinosaurs?
Care to try again? Behemoth has a tail like a cedar tree. Ever looked at a hippo tail?
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Amen, A Lebanon cedar tree. a grown man standing next to one looks like an ant!
Check out www.genesispark.com straight stuff for Christian apologetics on young earth and dinos.
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Hi truthman8, and welcome to CC!
here's something I noticed just during the time this thread has been going.
early in the story,
"God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night." (NASB)
when the sun comes along in the fourth day to 'rule the day', I think it's ruling that same kind of day that God was talking about. meaning, that there were 24-hour days before the fourth day.
the sun takes part in 'separating the light from the darkness', just what God was doing earlier.
my feeling is that when the fourth day comes along, God delegates to the sun something he had been doing earlier.
The rotation of the earth is slowing down.
It was spinning too fast for life to exist when it was first formed.
No.
That would be your assertion.
Remember, you cannot show scripture, yourself, as it takes up too much bandwidth (your silly claim...of which, is far better than claiming that your dog ate your scriptures).
The Hebrew lexicons state this.
Yawm ALWAYS indicates the passage of time.