getting dates about a young earth

[Word_Swordsman]

Peter is talking about how the scoffers of today and tomorrow think everything in creation has stayed the same and therefore they do not believe that Jesus will return. That they are willingly ignorant of the fact that God created the creation and how the world was destroyed by the Flood in Noah's time. Indeed this verse is very foretelling of the OEC and other heresies of our time which are basically premised upon denying the creation account in Genesis and the Flood account.

Peter goes on to use the Noahic Flood reference to foreshadow the end of time when the creation shall be destroyed by fire. This is another chapter where it is good to read the whole chapter and is actually pretty straight forward.

2 Peter 3

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

You have it right, sticking to what those scriptures tell. Not considering verses 6 & 7 properly replaces Noah's flood with a "Satan's flood" that the Bible doesn't describe. God simply started this planet off with no dry land, initially covered with water. There is nothing in scriptures that hints of a judgment on a world that was before Genesis 1:2. The "gap theory" was a cowardly compromise of some theologians trying to deal with newly emerging evolution theory.

Verse 7 describes Peter's world, post flood. This present world he shared with us replaced the pre-flood world Noah knew in his youth, the same earth Adam lived in. That old world was of the creation week, which was judged with water. Listing verses 1-6 alone to establish the "timing" leads to error. This second earth will be judged by fire in the future.

Indeed we are of this second world, to be replaced by a whole new world order, the New Earth Isaiah told of to come. That will be the eternal earth which will never see judgment or a curse.

Genesis 1:1 is a preamble, an opening statement, an introduction, followed by details that begin with verse 2. Taking it as evidence of a whole other creation before verse 2 is as much error as taking chapter 1 as a different creation than presented in chapter 2, which also has a preamble, in verses 1-3, followed by more creation details concerning man.

The whole distortion has been for centuries a concerted effort to eliminate the reality of significant judgment from God. Men resisted that in ancient times, on into Peter's time, and in our time, right up until the last day of this world. The result is a deliberate denial of the flood of Noah's day, and of the judgment to come. That flood is real, and ought not be distorted by crediting the rebellion of Satan and his angelic followers. We don't know when that happened, but assume times. It might have happened the day Satan deceived Eve.

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: according to one of our brethrens and fellows :8)
:read:
6. 54. And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen. 55. All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes 56. As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel. 57. And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.

and same also to our brothers :rofl: and to our sisters :happy:
which according to t

 

[ukok102nak]

and same also to our brothers :happy:
and to our sisters :rofl:
which according to them
:read:
Genesis: 6. 41. Upon the second day thou madest the spirit of the firmament, and commandedst it to part asunder, and to make a division betwixt the waters, that the one part might go up, and the other remain beneath. 42. Upon the third day thou didst command that the waters should be gathered in the seventh part of the earth: six pats hast thou dried up, and kept them, to the intent that of these some being planted of God and tilled might serve thee. 43. For as soon as thy word went forth the work was made. 44. For immediately there was great and innumerable fruit, and many and divers pleasures for the taste, and flowers of unchangeable colour, and odours of wonderful smell: and this was done the third day.
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47. Upon the fifth day thou saidst unto the seventh part, where the waters were gathered that it should bring forth living creatures, fowls and fishes: and so it came to pass. 48. For the dumb water and without life brought forth living things at the commandment of God, that all people might praise thy wondrous works.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[JosephsDreams]

It's not about the desolation of Zion either. It's about God showing them something that already happened in the past they should have understood, because of how He once before shook the earth and brought desolations, destroying man off it:

Jer 4:22
22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
KJV

"sottish" means 'silly, foolish'.

Jer 4:27-28
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

The whole earth would be left desolate, but He promised to not make a full end. That's about how He left the earth after the destruction He did with Gen.1:2.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJV



Because God placed this earth in a state of bondage in vanity, the earth mourns, seeking to be released from the state of imperfection it was placed in. This is what Apostle Paul was teaching about in Romans 8 regarding the "creature". For this reason, the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above would be black. What's that last part about?

What happens when today's clouds in the sky turn black? It's means a storm is coming! He was pointing to how His moving of the waters in Gen.1 by separating them to make today's seas caused holes in our sky atmosphere around the earth, and thus causes hot and cold air differentials to produce our violent storms on the earth, i.e, the weather of today's world. With the new heavens and a new earth, there will be no more seas. That water on the earth is going to go back up into the sky around the earth and plug all the holes, creating a literal greenhouse around the whole earth, no hot or cold spots, no violent storms, etc.

Maybe I am not understanding this. Are you saying there were violent storms since on the earth since Genesis 1 moving of the waters? Exactly what verse? What type of storms? Rain and wind, and also thunder and lightning?

 

[JosephsDreams]

DP-
I just read the posts from the last three pages. I see your referring to the line of thought of different earth ages?
That the earth was destroyed in the first age because of the battle with Satan and the fallen angels?
If this is true, do you believe the earth was inhabited in its first age?

 

[4enlightment]

You have it right, sticking to what those scriptures tell. Not considering verses 6 & 7 properly replaces Noah's flood with a "Satan's flood" that the Bible doesn't describe. God simply started this planet off with no dry land, initially covered with water. There is nothing in scriptures that hints of a judgment on a world that was before Genesis 1:2. The "gap theory" was a cowardly compromise of some theologians trying to deal with newly emerging evolution theory.

Verse 7 describes Peter's world, post flood. This present world he shared with us replaced the pre-flood world Noah knew in his youth, the same earth Adam lived in. That old world was of the creation week, which was judged with water. Listing verses 1-6 alone to establish the "timing" leads to error. This second earth will be judged by fire in the future.

Indeed we are of this second world, to be replaced by a whole new world order, the New Earth Isaiah told of to come. That will be the eternal earth which will never see judgment or a curse.

Genesis 1:1 is a preamble, an opening statement, an introduction, followed by details that begin with verse 2. Taking it as evidence of a whole other creation before verse 2 is as much error as taking chapter 1 as a different creation than presented in chapter 2, which also has a preamble, in verses 1-3, followed by more creation details concerning man.

The whole distortion has been for centuries a concerted effort to eliminate the reality of significant judgment from God. Men resisted that in ancient times, on into Peter's time, and in our time, right up until the last day of this world. The result is a deliberate denial of the flood of Noah's day, and of the judgment to come. That flood is real, and ought not be distorted by crediting the rebellion of Satan and his angelic followers. We don't know when that happened, but assume times. It might have happened the day Satan deceived Eve.

According to an old book that is called the origin of the world, that the author stated that in the beginning that some event had taken place that had caused water to materialized, floating, suspended in mid-air, but weren't no ground or nothing else, but this watery substance that looked like a sphere of water. And so God's image reflected on the surface of this sphere, but in the center of it was total darkness until light has penetrated in the center of it bring forth life. Some people believes that the Black hole is some type of womb which all life has came from it. But the flood and which most people doesn't understand is that volcanic activity has taken place that had cause the majority of all things to die; because if the world was destroyed by water only, then how the sea creatures had died? In the book of Job that it stated that the water were frozen and were encased in rock and which they had found during a erupted volcano, that they have opened up rocks and found water or crystal in it. But any way, most scientist measures the age of the world by the layers of sediments by without taking into consideration of that there were a major catastrophe that caused climate change. And so, without adding that there were a major catastrophe set everything off from the Bible. And there is evidence that there were a global flood. And there is evidence that the entire earth had spoken one language because of them finding pyramids all throughout the world with the same writings on them.


https://youtu.be/e0RcMSRBz8I

https://youtu.be/zs2bQHpy7uk



Astrophysicst Ezequiel Treister and colleagues pored over hundreds of images from Chandra X-Ray Observatory, carefully tracking tiny amounts of x-ray photons originating from extremely distant (and therefore ancient) black holes at the cores of galaxies. What they discovered was that the origins of these black holes had been largely obscured by billowing clouds of gas around them as galaxies formed. But keener observation revealed that the black holes had most likely been part of these galaxies from very early in the formation of the universe — perhaps as early as a billion years after the Big Bang. What does this mean, exactly? It's a breakthrough in our understanding of the composition of the early universe. It means that these black holes formed the building blocks of the universe as we know it today. Black holes may be far more fundamental to our universe than we realized. http://io9.gizmodo.com/5812327/black-holes-may-have-been-a-fundamental-building-block-of-the-early-universe

Japan Society: Cosmic Womb With A View: Mariko Mori's 'White Hole'

Womb Awakening As a Spiritual Path - The Fountain Of Life


[h=2]Did the Flood Trigger the Ice Age?[/h]If uniformitarian scientists have severe difficulties accounting for ice ages, how would creationists explain an ice age or multiple ice ages? Let’s start with the recent ice age.
When attempting to account for ice ages, the uniformitarian scientists do not consider one key element—the Genesis Flood. What if there truly were a worldwide Flood? How would it have affected the climate? A worldwide Flood would have caused major changes in the earth’s crust, as well as earth movements and tremendous volcanism. It would have also greatly disturbed the climate. https://answersingenesis.org/environmental-science/ice-age/where-does-the-ice-age-fit/

https://youtu.be/yvSmPqqZB3Q

 

[Dan_473]

So are you saying that it is impossible that God made Adam in a burst rather then a process, or are you stating that it is likely that God made Adam through a process rather then a burst?
If your saying it is impossible that it was a burst, please state why. Because Adam came from the dust of the earth is not convincing reason.
We are made up of earthly particles and forces. Are you saying because of that it could not have been a burst? God could not do that?
Even if you say, sure, God could do a burst, He could do anything, then please state un detail why He would have done a process rather then a burst.
I am not being adverse, I just am curious about why you would say that. The only reason why I can think of is because the bible and our science seem to point that the whole universe was a process, so man was to. But even giving that, how many times have we seen in the bible that just when it seems we have God figured out, we think we have a pattern, He does what we might call the unexpected.

The Gen 1 narrative is ALL about a sequential process.

1 through 6.

If everything was instant, like you want to force it to be, then the narrative would only have needed to mention ONE.

God could have done it in an instant, of course.
I think God did it in six days, or stages, in order to lay down a pattern for humans.

moses tells the israelites, work six days, take the seventh off, like God did.

does someone think they don't need to rest because they still have energy after six? God rested.

to make this work, though, I think the six days, or stages, need to be of the same length. otherwise, it becomes, "God worked six time periods of indefinite length, so we should work six time periods of indefinite length... which in practice becomes no commandment at all, imo.

 

[Dan_473]

Dan, you don't have to argue against fallacies

Correction: That was not the inverse.
However it is the hasty generalization, which is a logical fallacy

It is taken from the earth
it returns in a long process
therefore being taken from the earth is a long process

true, and good point.

 

[DP]

For Gabriel, you'll want to go through the root meanings on Strong's. Simply surf the links under Word Origins. It'll take you to gabar. God is my strength, Man of God, Hero of God, God is heroic, etc. are some of the ways Gabriel's name is translated. I think we get the point though.

I prefer Dr. Strong's translation, because geber was in many Scriptures used to signify a man in God's OT Word:

Deut 22:5
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
KJV

Those two verses are about how God made the creation as echoed in Genesis indeed. Taken as a whole in that Psalm, about the might and majesty of the Lord.

Verse 9 is actually pretty good too for the overall topic.

Psalm 33:9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Yeah, at Gen.1:1 He did that creating. But at Gen.1:2 the earth had already been created, and was instead in a waste state with all those waters overspread upon it. Again, remember what Peter said.

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
6 through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
RSV



That particular deluge is not about the time of Noah. It's about that time of Gen.1:2-9 when the earth was out of the water and in the water. That's why this Psalms Scripture is also speaking of those waters after He had created the earth, which is the same subject Peter was talking about in 2 Pet.3:5-6:

Ps 33:6-7
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: He layeth up the depth in storehouses.
KJV



And again, one must be careful to separate the timeline in this Scripture example:

Ps 104:5-9
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

That above is the same events Peter was covering in 2 Pet.3:5-6, pointing to Gen.1:1 to Gen.1:2.

7 At Thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of Thy thunder they hasted away.

That above 7th verse is about God moving those waters of Gen.1:2 down to Gen.1:9. The reason that word for "rebuke" is there for that time is because He used those waters to destroy that old world He had created at Gen.1:1. The word for "Thy thunder" is from a Hebrew word that means 'violently agitated, to crash, figuratively to irritate with anger' (Strong's no.7482). Those waters represented a destruction upon the face of the earth, not an act of creation. Have to get past Gen.1:2 to begin His acts of creating this present world and seas.


8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which Thou hast founded for them.

That v.8 also is about that time of Gen.1:2-9. But it can apply also to the later time of Noah's flood also.


9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
KJV

That 9th verse moves the timeline forward to after the flood of Noah's day.

Ps 77:16-18
16 The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid: the depths also were troubled.
17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: Thine arrows also went abroad.
18 The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.
KJV



That description was not about the time of Noah. It was the time when Hebrews 12 referred to when God once before shook the earth:

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

The level of shaking that is speaking of is about the overthrowing of man's works, wiping them off the earth, which is what will happen on the future "day of the Lord", but mainly by God's consuming fire. That "Yet once more" refers to an earlier shaking of the earth only. So when was that prior shaking of the earth only?

The following is a parable; it's directed to Pharaoh, but God begins speaking of the Assyrian, of one who was originally exalted in His Garden of Eden, using trees as a symbolic metaphor. We know neither Pharaoh nor the king of Assyria were ever in God's Garden of Eden, so that's a dead giveaway that He is speaking about Satan here metaphorically. I'm going to jump to the time when God cast Satan down because of his original rebellion against Him:

Ezek 31:15-17
15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
KJV

 

[Dan_473]

Adam would have grown as any human would.

great! so going with that idea, in my view, the first thing that can be reasonably called "a human", for any of us, is that first single cell, the fertilized ovum.
God forms that first single cell that we call 'adam' out of dust, and forms him 'ready to go', ready to start dividing, taking in nourishment.

 

[Bowman]

God could have done it in an instant, of course.
I think God did it in six days, or stages, in order to lay down a pattern for humans.

moses tells the israelites, work six days, take the seventh off, like God did.

does someone think they don't need to rest because they still have energy after six? God rested.

to make this work, though, I think the six days, or stages, need to be of the same length. otherwise, it becomes, "God worked six time periods of indefinite length, so we should work six time periods of indefinite length... which in practice becomes no commandment at all, imo.

God did not 'rest'.

He ceased His creative activity.

 

[Bowman]

great! so going with that idea, in my view, the first thing that can be reasonably called "a human", for any of us, is that first single cell, the fertilized ovum.
God forms that first single cell that we call 'adam' out of dust, and forms him 'ready to go', ready to start dividing, taking in nourishment.

More wishful thinking.

How many single cell humans are ready to go on their own?

Zero.

Your YEC worldview is garbage...

 

[DP]

Maybe I am not understanding this. Are you saying there were violent storms since on the earth since Genesis 1 moving of the waters? Exactly what verse? What type of storms? Rain and wind, and also thunder and lightning?

Past Gen.1:2 was God's renewing of the earth. The earth was already there under the flood waters of Gen.1:2. At Gen.1:1 was when God's original perfect creation of the earth was. In between Gen.1:1 and Gen.1:2 was when Satan's original rebellion was, and God ended that old world when Satan was then exalted and rebelled against Him.

By the time of Adam and Eve, Satan had already fallen to his state as the Tempter, death having already been assigned to him. That points to the time of his rebellion of Rev.12:3-4 when he drew one third of the angels ("stars") with him as being prior to Adam and Eve in God's Garden.

 

[Dan_473]

are you saying that all humans are constantly being made? do you mean up until death?

in your view, was adam being formed out of dust up until the second he died?

Adam was made up of the same things that we are today.

We don't snap our fingers and arrive on the scene fully formed...neither did Adam.

Use your head...

so, I take your answer to this question:
in your view, was adam being formed out of dust up until the second he died?
to be 'yes'. is this correct?

I can see the idea that the food humans eat comes one way or another from plants, and since plants grow in the dust, we are made out of dust. is this what you're saying?


one issue I see is that plants are made mostly out of water (and air?), only a small percentage of their mass comes from the soil/dust.
Concepts of Biology

 

[DP]

DP-
I just read the posts from the last three pages. I see your referring to the line of thought of different earth ages?
That the earth was destroyed in the first age because of the battle with Satan and the fallen angels?
If this is true, do you believe the earth was inhabited in its first age?

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
KJV

I believe that was a time when those "sons of God" literally, dwelt upon this earth.

 

[Bowman]

so, I take your answer to this question:
in your view, was adam being formed out of dust up until the second he died?
to be 'yes'. is this correct?

I can see the idea that the food humans eat comes one way or another from plants, and since plants grow in the dust, we are made out of dust. is this what you're saying?


one issue I see is that plants are made mostly out of water (and air?), only a small percentage of their mass comes from the soil/dust.
Concepts of Biology

Not only was Adam formed from the ground - but he was sustained from the ground.

The nutrients and building blocks that existed in the ground to begin with came from previous generations of dead animals and plant life.

Thus, once again, the strained YEC world view that death did not occur until after the fall, is a complete myth.

 

[kodiak]

No thanks, I really don't need your lesson on what Peter was talking about in 2 Peter 3. I well know he was covering the subject of 3 world ages, and the time of Noah was part of this 2nd world age we're still in today.

Because some struggle with understanding about those 3 world ages, especially the first one which God ended when He ended Satan's original rebellion, Peter mentioned how in some of Paul's Epistles they struggle with this subject also:

Wait, so you don't believe Noah's flood?
You are saying the end of the first age was Satan's flood, and the 2nd stage is still ongoing, so there was no worldwide flood in Noah's day? Am I reading what you wrote correctly?

 

[DP]

Maybe I am not understanding this. Are you saying there were violent storms since on the earth since Genesis 1 moving of the waters? Exactly what verse? What type of storms? Rain and wind, and also thunder and lightning?

I do believe the evidence left in the earth's fossil record about an original creation of life (plants and animals, time of the dinosaurs, etc.) and then a catastrophic event that happened causing a gap in the fossil record, and then new life springing up again afterwards signifying the creation past Gen.1:2 for today. Evolutionists don't preach that gap in the fossil record much, because it points to God's acts of creating and not evolution.

Scientists theorize that a giant meteor struck the earth to cause that time gap in the fossil record. That's how many of them account for that fossil gap. I don't, but instead believe that gap was caused by God shaking the old earth and emptying the waters upon it to destroy that old world with a flood, at sometime in between Gen.1:1 and Gen.1:2. Theologians call this the Gap Theory.

Wolly mammoths found frozen buried in ice in the Arctic regions, still with undigested vegetation in their mouths and in their stomachs, show they were caught in a green field grazing when they were frozen instantly. That reveals a miraculous event of waters of a flood happening all of sudden, and then instantly freezing. If they had died from a flood of waters only, then decay should have set in, but it didn't because of the plant vegetation still undigested in their stomachs and in their mouths still chewing when they were frozen.

Movies like The Day After Tomorrow were used to suggest the sudden oncoming of a storm from global warming that caused the last ice age in order to try and explain that instant freeze. They've also used that to propose there's been many ice ages upon this earth. I see that as their way of denying what happened with God's destruction of the "world that then was" of 2 Pet.3 related to the earth's state at Gen.1:2 with waters of a flood upon it.

Archaeologists also know there exists tropical fossil remains of plant and animal life at both of the earth's Polar regions, but it doesn't get much media coverage. I believe that was about God's original perfect creation at Gen.1:1, prior to a flood of waters shown at Gen.1:2. God's Word hints to the idea of the sky around the earth being once like a complete covering, a canopy. Some YEC believe that was the state of the earth in the time of Adam down to Noah, with this whole earth being like a literal Paradise, which would explain the tropical fossil evidence that exists at the earth's Poles. That's why some YEC also place the existence of the dinosaurs being from Adam's day also. I believe that evidence goes back farther in earth history, to Gen.1:2.

 

[DP]

Wait, so you don't believe Noah's flood?
You are saying the end of the first age was Satan's flood, and the 2nd stage is still ongoing, so there was no worldwide flood in Noah's day? Am I reading what you wrote correctly?

No, not what I'm saying. I do... believe the flood of Noah's day happened. I simply don't believe that's the destruction that wiped out the dinosaurs though, which was another flood shown with the waters overspread upon the earth at Gen.1:2.

 

[Dan_473]

Adam was made up of the same things that we are today.

We don't snap our fingers and arrive on the scene fully formed...neither did Adam.

Use your head...

or maybe you're saying that God was the one moving the molecules into (and around and out of?) adam, throughout his whole life. and this is true of every human since then.

is this the case?

if so, then I can see how that would work. and, a scientist looking at the observable data would say a human's molecules move and react in predictable, duplicatable ways. no god or any sort of higher intelligence is involved.

so, the scientist would have the truth 'veiled', until they read the scriptures and saw that it was God doing it all along.