morning is ALWAYS the beginning of the day, and evening its end.
the sun rules over 'signs and seasons, days and years' (verse 15), and over the day as opposed to the night (verse 16-17) and to separate light from darkness,
getting dates about a young earth
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morning is ALWAYS the beginning of the day, and evening its end.
the sun rules over 'signs and seasons, days and years' (verse 15), and over the day as opposed to the night (verse 16-17) and to separate light from darkness,
No.
Water is water.
Same term is used in Arabic.
Btw...I find it humorous that the two staunch YEC's (Tintin & Dan) both liked your question post. Little do they know that you are a bonafide OEC...
How ironic...
:smoke: again my brethrens and my fellows
the earth in the beggining as weve said before
it is defined spiritually something like
the only begotten son says unto his disciples . ...
:read:
Luke: 24. 38. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
:happy: thats the idea how the earth is
without form and empty in the beggining
something like no flesh and bones as one of
many qualities of spirit . ...
:blush: and unto the light in the beggining
we could foretell that the creation of light which came from the stars which gives light to the present earth now can also found from the written holy scriptures itself
:read:
Genesis: 1. 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
~:» HE ALSO MADE THE STARS :8)
~:› also as the apostle of the gentiles says . ...
:read:
1 Corinthians: 15. 37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
:ty:
godbless us all always
the earth in the beggining as weve said before
it is defined spiritually something like
the only begotten son says unto his disciples . ...
:read:
Luke: 24. 38. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
:happy: thats the idea how the earth is
without form and empty in the beggining
something like no flesh and bones as one of
many qualities of spirit . ...
:blush: and unto the light in the beggining
we could foretell that the creation of light which came from the stars which gives light to the present earth now can also found from the written holy scriptures itself
:read:
Genesis: 1. 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
~:» HE ALSO MADE THE STARS :8)
~:› also as the apostle of the gentiles says . ...
:read:
1 Corinthians: 15. 37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
:ty:
godbless us all always
. ... oh by the way
and for the water it goes a little something like this and not the kind of water as we thought literally :rofl:
:read:
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless someone is born of water and spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.
6*What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7*Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you to be born from above.’e
8*The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
:smoke: again my brethrens and my fellows
the earth in the beggining as weve said before
it is defined spiritually something like
the only begotten son says unto his disciples . ...
:read:
Luke: 24. 38. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
:happy: thats the idea how the earth is
without form and empty in the beggining
something like no flesh and bones as one of
many qualities of spirit . ...
:blush: and unto the light in the beggining
we could foretell that the creation of light which came from the stars which gives light to the present earth now can also found from the written holy scriptures itself
:read:
Genesis: 1. 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
~:» HE ALSO MADE THE STARS :8)
~:› also as the apostle of the gentiles says . ...
:read:
1 Corinthians: 15. 37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
:ty:
godbless us all always
and for the water it goes a little something like this and not the kind of water as we thought literally :rofl: :read:
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless someone is born of water and spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.
6*What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7*Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you to be born from above.’e
8*The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
:smoke: again my brethrens and my fellows
the earth in the beggining as weve said before
it is defined spiritually something like
the only begotten son says unto his disciples . ...
:read:
Luke: 24. 38. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
:happy: thats the idea how the earth is
without form and empty in the beggining
something like no flesh and bones as one of
many qualities of spirit . ...
:blush: and unto the light in the beggining
we could foretell that the creation of light which came from the stars which gives light to the present earth now can also found from the written holy scriptures itself
:read:
Genesis: 1. 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
~:» HE ALSO MADE THE STARS :8)
~:› also as the apostle of the gentiles says . ...
:read:
1 Corinthians: 15. 37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
:ty:
godbless us all always
cool! I just asked because it seemed like most people on the thread were saying a day started in the evening.
literal light produced by the sun, to give light upon the earth
thanks! and does the sun start producing light when God says, "Let there be light"?
i've got an opinion about how creation and the observed universe jive, but i'm open to it being wrong -- i've always said, just as God posed the question to Job -- i wasn't there when He formed the worlds.
i think Dan has a point - that the two pieces of information that earth was void, and the Spirit of God was hovering over 'the face of the waters' doesn't necessarily indicate that everything we're reading in Genesis is from the vantage point of the surface of the earth. a "void and formless earth" doesn't even have a "surface" since it's "formless" -- topologically speaking. but maybe everything i know about topology, geometry and math in general is wrong too
hey, maybe i just asked some good questions
if posthuman is an oec, that would be great!
I've found his thinking to be solid, and his ideas presented politely.
my mind has already changed during the course of this thread, and I want to be open to new information.
why do the Jews mark the beginning of a day at sunset ?
and why does Genesis read "and there was evening, and there was morning, the (nth) day" ?
why does the whole account start in darkness - and then move into light ?
Their choice. Nothing to do with Gen 1,,
Because it is describing the end and beginning of 'the day'.
darkness and evening are two different things
Gen 1:4-5
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
KJV
Not the same concept of Gen.1:14 with the sun and moon.
Who are the children of the day, and who are the children of darkness?
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
KJV
Not the same concept of Gen.1:14 with the sun and moon.
Who are the children of the day, and who are the children of darkness?
i've got an opinion about how creation and the observed universe jive, but i'm open to it being wrong -- i've always said, just as God posed the question to Job -- i wasn't there when He formed the worlds.
i think Dan has a point - that the two pieces of information that earth was void, and the Spirit of God was hovering over 'the face of the waters' doesn't necessarily indicate that everything we're reading in Genesis is from the vantage point of the surface of the earth. a "void and formless earth" doesn't even have a "surface" since it's "formless" -- topologically speaking. but maybe everything i know about topology, geometry and math in general is wrong too
hey, maybe i just asked some good questions
Problem with that is, the Hebrew phrase tohuw va bohuw does not necessarily mean "without form, and void".
Secondly, God is showing waters overspread upon the earth at Gen.1:2 and continues showing that all the way to His dividing and moving those waters to expose the dry land underneath. To think that's about some state of 'nothingness' defies the logic of that Scripture.
I fail to see when I pour a glass of drinking of water that what's in my glass is 'empty and void'.
The "without form, and void" translation from the Hebrew is incorrect, and can easily be seen by how those Hebrew words are used elsewhere in God's Word, in most cases about something that was once in a good state going bad, which is a different kind of idea for nothingness, instead meaning vanity and ruin.
But instead what the KJV translators applied with "without form, and void" was a mystic philosophical idea that was popular with the Renaissance which began the so-called Age of Reason.
the whole point is that the account begins in darkness. That is not by any stretch of the imagination evening, Evening is the end of the day, It begins at 3.00 in the afternoon to twilight, The Hebrews spoke of 'between the two evenings'.
on the popular meaning the first yom began in pitch darkness. By no means can it be called evening, There was no 'evening' at the beginning.
does the end of day one come before the beginning of day one, then?
I'm not trying to be silly, I'm trying to understand what you're saying.
the evening and the morning is a poetic description signifying end and beginning of the day, 'there was an end and a beginning of the first period of light,
The day is defined as 'God called the light day', a period of light with beginning and ending,
Jesus defined it as 'there are twelve hours in the day'.