getting dates about a young earth
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eternally-gratefull
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Only possible explanation is that 5,000 years is actually a pretty long time.
God's word doesn't even hint at an ancient history past the genealogies back to Adam. The Bible's account of Adam sets a reasonable time frame from creation week until the time of Jesus. From him onward it doesn't take a genius to figure out the whole time involved. On the other end of the mental capacity issue, some insist a "day" of creation really meant millions of years per day. How then did the plants created on day 2 survive millions of years in the evolutionist's long night before the sun was created on day 3?
Evolution depends upon an ancient earth in the billions of years of age, and a huge library of foolishness.
The parts of God's Word that points to it.
In 2 Pet.3 when Peter said that many are "willingly ignorant" that the earth was old, "the earth standing out of the water, and in the water", he wasn't talking about the flood of Noah's time.
2 Peter 3:5-7
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
KJV
God did not re-create the heavens and the earth after the flood of Noah. Peter was referring to the state of the earth in Gen.1:2 to Gen.1:9, about a more ancient flood upon the earth, with the earth standing in the waters and out of the waters when God parted the waters to make the dry land appear (again). The earth before the flood of Noah's day is part of today's established heavens and the earth. The waters receded and the same created earth was there under those waters of Noah's days.
The earth's state of "without form" (Hebrew tohuw) at Gen.1:2, God said in Isaiah 45:18 He did not create it that way (tohuw again but translated there as "in vain").
In Jer.4:23-28, that time of old at Gen.1:2 is what God was speaking about, the time when He first shook this earth and destroyed ancient cities and man off the earth. There was no man then, not even Noah and his. The main difference then was that 'man' idea refers to the state of angels living upon the earth, not flesh man. It was when Satan drew a third of the angels to earth with him in rebellion per Rev.12:3-4, which also shows us about a beast kingdom he had setup in rebellion then, having only seven crowns instead of the ten for the final one in our near future.
I know this is difficult for many to understand, and it's pretty much hidden in God's Word because He put quite a bit of it in parable form (like Ezek.28 about the time when Satan as a covering cherub was once perfect in his ways, and in Ezek.31 which is a parable about the time when Satan was exalted in God's Eden in that old world, and then rebelled). But that was the time when God placed this earth into the state of vanity and bondage of corruption that Paul spoke of in Rom.8. The very first sin against God was not with Adam's fall; it was when Satan first rebelled against God, even as Apostle John said that the devil sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8).
The creation of flesh man represents the corruption from what happened at Satan's rebellion of old, in that old world. This is why the concept of 'death' and corruption began at the time of Satan's sin, and why death was assigned to Satan and will perish with Satan, and why Adam had to fall in order for God to send His Son and offer us eternal Life through Him.
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eternally-gratefull
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Peter was not talking about Noah?
So tell us, Since he finished the passage saying the heavens that are (post flood) are being preserved until the end (will not again be destroyed by flood as God himself promised)
What else could it be?
Sorry, But you will need more than that.
As for jeremiah, That is a weak argument. I could easily interpret it a different way.. It does not prove anything.
Again, Why does god need millions of years? to make earth habitable to mankind, UNLESS he used evolutionary tactics, nothing makes sense. .
good! and then God brought all those wild animals, including dinosaurs, to adam to see what he would call them.
I was watching a pbs program about a recent fossil find, of the largest thigh bone ever found (about 8 feet). the scientists interviewed said it was about 100 million years old.
to me, adam living at the same time as that dinosaur is a real issue, if common dates about the dawn of man and the time of the dinosaurs is used.
I'm not sure what you mean by "evolutionists like you"... I certainly don't think of myself as an evolutionist.
adam doesn't name the fish species, imo. so, adam doesn't name every species on earth today.
would you agree with that?
yes, exactly! and they also ate a good supply of animals in most cases...
to me, that doesn't really fit with "Thorns and thistles it will bring forth to you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you will eat bread."
so sounds like adam named all the wild animals, including the dinosaurs.
how long ago, would you say, adam was naming the dinosaurs?
Originally Posted by valiantI believe that God brought them to man as and when they came in contact, The naming was a process taking months or even years.
Adam was responsible for naming them for then all would know who was 'master', just as God had named creation.
He named the animals and birds that he came across that were alive at the time
No.
The dinos you are referring to went extinct millions of years before Adam was created.
Homo sapiens sapiens date back to tens of thousands of years....not millions of years.
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True. But the old earth timeline is derived from that which pertains to evolutionary timeline. Evolution is nothing without its uniformitarianism of millions and billions of years. There's no need to believe in an old earth, evolution-wise or sans evolution. Either way, it makes nonsense of the Gospel and its foundation.
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Adam named all of the animal and bird kinds that he came across (that were alive at the time). Death and disease weren't a thing until Adam and Eve rebelled against God. It would've taken Adam less than half a day (waking hours) to name all of the animal and bird kinds.