Secret Rapture

[DP]

Why then was most prophets killed, even Jesus?
who said if they persecute me, they will also persecute us.

From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar
and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body,
and after that have no more that they can do.

5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed
hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 23:31 (KJV)
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.


Mark 10:34 (KJV)
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him,
and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Acts 3:15 (KJV)
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead;
whereof we are witnesses.

Psalms 44:22 (KJV)
Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long;
we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Romans 8:36 (KJV)
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Romans 11:3 (KJV)
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars;
and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Matthew 23:34 (KJV)
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye
scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Well, you've not been reading all of my posts then, because I never said none of us would be killed during the tribulation.

But all of God's people killed? No. Otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left on earth to be "caught up" on to Christ on the last day.

 

[PlainWord]

Your doing it again. Only the 6th Seal contains events about the "day of the Lord" when God's wrath comes upon the wicked. The 6th trumpet and 6th vial does not contain that, but instead is the time of tribulation with the beast reign on earth.

DP, sorry if what I am sharing doesn't jive with your views. I've explained this before. The seals merely "seal" the scroll. They are like an index. Once removed, the scroll and what is written on the inside and backside of the scroll can be read. Yes, exactly, the 6th seal discusses events which happen just prior to the Day of the Lord/Wrath/Return of Christ events. Thank you, we agree on this part. The 6th trumpet describes the Battle of Armageddon. This is absolutely a "Wrath event/Day of the Lord," event. You have to locate these trumpets by finding these events in the OT.

Joel Chapters 2 and 3 are describing the same events as Mat 24:29-30 and Rev 6:12-17 and 9:13-21, 16:12-16.

In Joel 2 God calls the locust army His army that He sent among His people, to do what? To strip the bark off their tree, leaving it white and bare (see Joel 1).

There are two armies discussed in Joel. The first is the "Northern Army" this is Satan's army. The second army is God's army sent from heaven to destroy those who came up against Israel. This army of Joel 2 is the same as the 200 million man army of the 6th trumpet. God's army attacks and utterly destroys Satan's army of the north which is AKA, the Armies of Gog and Magog of Ezek 38. This is Satan's army:

Joel 1: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For a nation has come up against My land, Strong, and without number; His teeth are the teeth of a lion...

The "lion" comparison is important, as you will see later. This is the same army as mentioned here:

Ezek 38: [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land.

This northern Muslim army is also discussed in Daniel 11:

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.

Jesus describes this same event in Mat 24:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This "Great Tribulation" is, as I've been saying, the result of the invasion of Israel by Satan's Muslim army. John describes this army of the north (sea) in Rev 13:

Rev 13: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.

So what we have is a Muslim army from the North attacking Israel causing those in Judea to flee. This army is causing "Great Tribulation" for Israel. This Muslim army is of Satan although God allow it to, as He says in Zech 13: to refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. Daniel says the same thing in 11: [SUP]35 [/SUP]And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

So yes, God allows Israel to be attacked by the Muslim army of the North to refine and test His people. But God isn't doing the attacking and this isn't God's wrath. 2/3 of Israel will be killed during the Great Tribulation caused by Satan's Muslim army from the North. So what we have is an massive invading Muslim army from the North but with a few southern Muslim nations which are in alliance such as Ethiopia and Libya as we are told here:

Ezek 38:5: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet

and here:

Dan 11:43: He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels.

God becomes incredibly angry at those who attacked and wiped out 2/3 of His Children of Israel. If you pay close attention, you will see that God's wrath comes AFTER the Great Tribulation and is in direct response to it. The setting again is Israel. The massive Muslim army of the north is in Israel having just killed 2/3 of the saints there. Now we see this passage from Ezek 38 and it is powerful and it is the Day of the Lord God Almighty:

Ezek 38: [SUP]18 [/SUP]“And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, [SUP]20 [/SUP]so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ [SUP]21 [/SUP]I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”’


Enter God's 200 million man army which comes from the north and east, from the area of the Euphrates where the 4 angels were bound. This is the 6th trumpet. Again, the location is the Euphrates which is located to the North and East of Israel.

Rev 9: [SUP]14 [/SUP]saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million...

This is an army from heaven, God's army.

Dan 11: [SUP]44 [/SUP]But news from the east and the north shall trouble him...

From the east and north. Again, Joel tells us of this holy army of God, which cannot be defeated in Joel 2.

Joel 2: A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. [SUP]3 [/SUP]A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Their appearance is like the appearance of horses.

So we have fire before and flame burning behind this army. They look like horses. Nothing escape them. Their target? The invaders from the North, the Muslim army.

Rev 9: [SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth and in their tails...

With God's army, He shortens those days of Great Tribulation against His people, His Elect chosen of Israel. Otherwise, Satan will kill them all. Are you now able to see this?

 

[DP]

DP, sorry if what I am sharing doesn't jive with your views. I've explained this before. The seals merely "seal" the scroll. They are like an index. Once removed, the scroll and what is written on the inside and backside of the scroll can be read. Yes, exactly, the 6th seal discusses events which happen just prior to the Day of the Lord/Wrath/Return of Christ events. Thank you, we agree on this part. The 6th trumpet describes the Battle of Armageddon. This is absolutely a "Wrath event/Day of the Lord," event. You have to locate these trumpets by finding these events in the OT.

I well know what the scroll represents, no need to go into that.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period is not the battle of Armageddon, like I told you before. You've got that out of sequence for the end. The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period continues all the way into Rev.11, up to the sounding of the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe. And what happens on that 7th Trumpet sounding per Rev.11? All the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and The Son, and His cup of wrath is poured out upon the wicked, and the time for reward of His servants comes, i.e., Millennial timing. Thus the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period is still... about the time of great tribulation, the beast kingdom and another beast still in control upon the earth.

And per the event of the 7th Vial, which is when Armageddon happens, that is the final day of this present world. It is the "day of the Lord" events. So that is not 6th Trumpet timing, it's 7th Trumpet timing. It's the timing of Ezekiel 39 with the great supper for the fowls upon the wicked and army that comes out of the northern quarters upon Israel.

Joel Chapters 2 and 3 are describing the same events as Mat 24:29-30 and Rev 6:12-17 and 9:13-21, 16:12-16.

There are two armies discussed in Joel. The first is the "Northern Army" this is Satan's army. The second army is God's army sent from heaven to destroy those who came up against Israel. This army of Joel 2 is the same as the 200 million man army of the 6th trumpet. God's army attacks and utterly destroys Satan's army of the north which is AKA, the Armies of Gog and Magog of Ezek 38. This is Satan's army:

Look at my post #240 I think, where I covered those things from Joel. The locusts represent a symbolic army, then at their latter time the northern army (a real army) is mentioned, and then Christ's army from Heaven is mentioned. The northern army coming out of the northern quarters is not the locust working God describes especially in the Joel 1 chapter, and more in the Joel 2 chapter. Only near the coming "day of the Lord" does He describe that northern army, which is about the army of Ezekiel 38-39 coming upon Israel on the final "day of the Lord".

So we have to learn to separate the locusts working from that Ezekiel 38 army, because that's about two different timings per God's Word.

One of the ways God showed us the locusts is not a real military army is in the Joel 2:8 verse. When they fall upon a sword they are NOT wounded. Those of a real army would be wounded. That lets us know that the locust working, which is about the reaping of the wealth of God's people prior to the end, is about another type of working, a working to get controls over God's people, and all nations for that matter. That especially is what the stages of the four types of locusts reveals to us in the Joel 1 chapter, and in the Joel 2:25 verse. The locust army represents a 'progressive' working upon the earth, not a single final battle like Armageddon will be with the "northern" army on the last day.

 

[prove-all]

Well, you've not been reading all of my posts then,
because I never said none of us would be killed during the tribulation.

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you are right I did not read all of the posts on this thread.
but only commented on this statement you gave.

"So you believe God is [not able] to protect His Own then"


I was just pointing out that even Jesus was killed and tortured,
and warned that his apostles where also going to be tortured and killed.

so was God able to protect them ? yes He could have, but the bible says did not.

 

[popeye]

Well, you've not been reading all of my posts then, because I never said none of us would be killed during the tribulation.

But all of God's people killed? No. Otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left on earth to be "caught up" on to Christ on the last day.

Wow,you just stumbled on one of 7reasons your debunked theory is impossible,and are oblivious to the obvious.

Post trib invincible ignorance

 

[popeye]

I well know what the scroll represents, no need to go into that.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period is not the battle of Armageddon, like I told you before. You've got that out of sequence for the end. The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period continues all the way into Rev.11, up to the sounding of the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe. And what happens on that 7th Trumpet sounding per Rev.11? All the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and The Son, and His cup of wrath is poured out upon the wicked, and the time for reward of His servants comes, i.e., Millennial timing. Thus the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period is still... about the time of great tribulation, the beast kingdom and another beast still in control upon the earth.

And per the event of the 7th Vial, which is when Armageddon happens, that is the final day of this present world. It is the "day of the Lord" events. So that is not 6th Trumpet timing, it's 7th Trumpet timing. It's the timing of Ezekiel 39 with the great supper for the fowls upon the wicked and army that comes out of the northern quarters upon Israel.



Look at my post #240 I think, where I covered those things from Joel. The locusts represent a symbolic army, then at their latter time the northern army (a real army) is mentioned, and then Christ's army from Heaven is mentioned. The northern army coming out of the northern quarters is not the locust working God describes especially in the Joel 1 chapter, and more in the Joel 2 chapter. Only near the coming "day of the Lord" does He describe that northern army, which is about the army of Ezekiel 38-39 coming upon Israel on the final "day of the Lord".

So we have to learn to separate the locusts working from that Ezekiel 38 army, because that's about two different timings per God's Word.

One of the ways God showed us the locusts is not a real military army is in the Joel 2:8 verse. When they fall upon a sword they are NOT wounded. Those of a real army would be wounded. That lets us know that the locust working, which is about the reaping of the wealth of God's people prior to the end, is about another type of working, a working to get controls over God's people, and all nations for that matter. That especially is what the stages of the four types of locusts reveals to us in the Joel 1 chapter, and in the Joel 2:25 verse. The locust army represents a 'progressive' working upon the earth, not a single final battle like Armageddon will be with the "northern" army on the last day.

The whole world worships the beast.

Wow you don't even have a basic foundational handle on end times.

Your deal exists apart from the word.
In your mind,you are hiding from the bogey man for 7 years.
You are totally duped

 

[popeye]

Well, you've not been reading all of my posts then, because I never said none of us would be killed during the tribulation.

But all of God's people killed? No. Otherwise there wouldn't be anyone left on earth to be "caught up" on to Christ on the last day.

^^^This would make a great siggy line^^^

"mind over scripture" LOL

 

[popeye]

More proof of a pretrib rapture



[video=youtube;U7stH0H-7qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7stH0H-7qo&list=PLgdTolniJ_v4hHzZtK86y-xlTPKSxySGo[/video]

 

[PlainWord]

The whole world worships the beast.

Wow you don't even have a basic foundational handle on end times.

Your deal exists apart from the word.
In your mind,you are hiding from the bogey man for 7 years.
You are totally duped

The whole world worships the beast, Popeye?

That is just not true!! Only the "Earth and those who dwell in it" will be forced to worship the Islamic Beast from the North.

...and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

There will be plenty who refuse. They will be killed.

...that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

The BEAST is the OTTOMAN EMPIRE which is of course the ISLAMIC EMPIRE that was mortally wounded in 1922 but returns as the IMAGE of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE and is called, the "Leopard, Bear, Lion BEAST from the SEA."

This Leopard, Bear, Lion BEAST from the SEA does not have dominion over the entire planet. They control only 1/4 of the world. Daniel identifies the region that the Leopard, Bear and Lion come from in Daniel 7. I suggest you take the time to study and understand this.

John makes clear: [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Only those who dwell on the earth WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN in the BOOK OF LIFE will worship or serve this Islamic Beast Kingdom.

In case you haven't heard. ISIS has commanded that every Muslim swear allegiance to them or be killed. ISIS is operating in the region of the Leopard, Bear, Lion right now!!

 

[Chuckt]

[video=youtube;Ri8pkC-D8Qs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8pkC-D8Qs&list=PL5F8F5FCDFAF999E8[/video]

 

[Chuckt]

[video=youtube;tRVWUXYCEgc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVWUXYCEgc[/video]

 

[popeye]

Agreed, I was just trying to see if anybody would quote some passages that support a secret rapture that seems so popular in movies such as the Left Behind series. I have yet to find anybody give any thing with any substance that would support such an event. After all, some people repeat it as if it were fact. I saw a thread on this subject here on Christian Chat that I haven't read yet maybe someone supported it there.

That is a postrib cliche.

I never hear it in pretrib circles.

Just another rabbit trail post tribs use

 

[Chuckt]

[video=youtube;_SLr2BT45Rg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SLr2BT45Rg[/video]

 

[popeye]

The whole world worships the beast, Popeye?

That is just not true!! Only the "Earth and those who dwell in it" will be forced to worship the Islamic Beast from the North.

...and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

There will be plenty who refuse. They will be killed.

...that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

The BEAST is the OTTOMAN EMPIRE which is of course the ISLAMIC EMPIRE that was mortally wounded in 1922 but returns as the IMAGE of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE and is called, the "Leopard, Bear, Lion BEAST from the SEA."

This Leopard, Bear, Lion BEAST from the SEA does not have dominion over the entire planet. They control only 1/4 of the world. Daniel identifies the region that the Leopard, Bear and Lion come from in Daniel 7. I suggest you take the time to study and understand this.

John makes clear: [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Only those who dwell on the earth WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN in the BOOK OF LIFE will worship or serve this Islamic Beast Kingdom.

In case you haven't heard. ISIS has commanded that every Muslim swear allegiance to them or be killed. ISIS is operating in the region of the Leopard, Bear, Lion right now!!

Uh,yeah,those refusing are killed

LEAVING ONLY BEAST WORSHIPPERS.

You actually AGREE with me PW

 

[Chuckt]

I believe in the pre-trib rapture so this is my position as well as many others.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The church is in Revelation 5:9 singing the song in heaven. 23 out of the 24 manuscripts have Revelation 5:9 saying "thou hast redeemed us" so we are raptured before the tribulation.

We receive our resurrection bodies at the end of the age or last day:

New American Standard Bible
"But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."

Daniel 12:13 "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Revelation 4:1 ¶ After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.


g3326 μετά meta (after) g3778 οὗτος houtos (these things).

The future age is after these things.


A study on meta tauta (after these things):

https://books.google.com/books?id=mx...atauta&f=false


Jesus Christ gives the division of the book of Revelation:

"Write the things which thou hast seen (1), and the things which are (2), and the things which are hereafter (3)" (Revelation 1:19)

The things which thou hast seen is the past, the things which are is the present and the things which are hereafter are the future.

After Revelation chapter 3, the church isn't mentioned anymore unless it is referred to as the Harlot but in Revelation chapters 4-5, the Church is in heaven and the Great Tribulation takes place. In chapters 6-18 and in Chapter 19, Christ returns to earth. Chapter 20 gives us the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The Great White Throne Judgment is set up and then in Revelation 21-22 Eternity with God begins.

Revelation 4:1 ¶ After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

After what? "After what" is meta tauta. Chapters 1, 2 and 3 discussed the Church so Revelation chapter 4 is after the Church things. The lie is to bring the Church into the future things because the Church is not here during the great tribulation.

When the Church gets to heaven, it loses its definition of the Church because heaven is represented as twenty four elders and translated in the resurrection:

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

"The resurrection and the translation of the saints (see John 14; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-52)" are notes that I cannot pass up. To put the church on the earth "after these things" is to ignore the resurrection and translation of the saints because the rest of the book of Revelation refers to the ecclesiastical system left on earth as the Harlot.

(Use of material by Dr. J Vernon McGee used in this post.)

 

[PlainWord]

Let me say this again to everyone. Please take the time to study and learn Biblical symbols and their meanings. If you don't, you will end up not understanding anything prophetic.

For Instance:

the SEA = Restless Masses of Society; Unruly, Lawless Men. In this case we are talking about followers of Islam, Jihadists more specifically. The use of this symbol can be found in various places.

Isa 57: [SUP]20 [/SUP]But the wicked are like the troubled sea, When it cannot rest, Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
Jud: [SUP]13 [/SUP]raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame.
Luk: 21: ...on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;[SUP]26 [/SUP]men’s hearts failing them from fear...

BEAST = an Evil, Satan Influenced EMPIRE

Dan 7: [SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.
Rev 13: And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...

So when we see a "Beast rising up from the Sea" don't make the mistake that many make. This isn't describing a giant Sea Monster crawling up out of the ocean.

When you see this:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Please don't see a giant BEAST crawling out of Hell which wages war on two fire breathing Christian dudes. That isn't what is being discussed.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Now then, if we're talking about Scripture pointing out the particular DAY of God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked, also called "the day of the Lord" by God's OT prophets and by Paul and Peter, burning man's works off the earth like Peter said in 2 Pet.3:10, then those Revelation Scripture events are covered within the 7th Trumpet, 7th Vial, and 6th Seal.

Hello DP,

You didn't address what I presented. At the 4th seal, a fourth of the earth's population is killed. Based on the current population of 7 billion, a fourth would equal 1.7 billion people and Jesus is the One who is initiating that as he is the One who is breaking the seals. Stop jumping to other scripture and address that. What you and many do not understand is that, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments together are the fulfillment of God's wrath, also referred to as "the day of the Lord." It is not just individual parts of those judgments, but the three sets of seven judgments are all of God's wrath, with the exception of some like the 5th seal which doesn't cause any fatalities. From the opening of the first seal, this begins God's wrath, which includes the fatalities resulting from the first four seals.

Furthermore regarding Peter, he was speaking in a broad sense of end-time events and not a chronological one, for we know from other scriptures that, the earth does not get destroyed right when Jesus returns to end that age and that because once he returns he will rule on this present earth for a thousand years. Therefore, the destruction of this heaven and earth does not take place until after the thousand years and after or during the great white throne judgment. After the thousand years, then John sees the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Let me say this again to everyone. Please take the time to study and learn Biblical symbols and their meanings. If you don't, you will end up not understanding anything prophetic.

For Instance:

the SEA = Restless Masses of Society; Unruly, Lawless Men. In this case we are talking about followers of Islam, Jihadists more specifically. The use of this symbol can be found in various places.

Isa 57: [SUP]20 [/SUP]But the wicked are like the troubled sea, When it cannot rest, Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
Jud: [SUP]13 [/SUP]raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame.
Luk: 21: ...on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;[SUP]26 [/SUP]men’s hearts failing them from fear...

BEAST = an Evil, Satan Influenced EMPIRE

Dan 7: [SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.
Rev 13: And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns...

So when we see a "Beast rising up from the Sea" don't make the mistake that many make. This isn't describing a giant Sea Monster crawling up out of the ocean.

When you see this:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Please don't see a giant BEAST crawling out of Hell which wages war on two fire breathing Christian dudes. That isn't what is being discussed.

I like you for some reason.

 

[Chuckt]

I like you for some reason.

What he quoted are interpretations and therefore making the Bible not literal. When people depend on non literal interpretations then it is possible to make the Bible say something that it doesn't say. The willingness to do that is a non-dependence on God. It shows the non-Christian ness of the whole thing.

 

[RobbyEarl]

What he quoted are interpretations and therefore making the Bible not literal. When people depend on non literal interpretations then it is possible to make the Bible say something that it doesn't say. The willingness to do that is a non-dependence on God. It shows the non-Christian ness of the whole thing.

So I'm not supposed to like Him?