getting dates about a young earth

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valiant said:
Well your view of God is not my view of God. You obviously agree with my statement, which means your view of God is as a Deceiver.
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No, How did God decieve

He made the earth to be inhabited, Whether it took him billions of years or 7 days, He made the earth to be inhabited..

It would only take alot more power and work to do it in 7 days thats all. No deception at all..

A world created to be inhabited would have to be complete.. Mankind could not survive on an unfinished world..


But your right about one thing, we have a different view of God.

My God is all powerful He can create a world ready to be inhabited in 6 days, I guess your is not capable of doing this.. So I think I will take my God,, whether he did it in 7 days or 7 billion years does not matter.. Can he do it is what does. :(
 
here's a thought about God & deception



I think everyone here has agreed that God formed adam out of the dust.
was God being deceptive when he gave adam 98.8% of the same genes as the chimpanzee sitting nearby?


a person looking at the evidence, who considers the bible religious myth, would say they are related, that they had a common ancestor maybe six million years earlier.


DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps
 
Dan_473 said:
a common objection to the days being 12 or 24 hours is that the sun doesn't come along until day four.
if the sun is there on or before day 1, then the days could be 12/24 hour or epochs, imo.

can yawm only mean epoch?
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You keep trying to revert everything into being 24hrs....i.e. your YEC mindset keeps coming through.

However, you keep missing the obvious.

Please tell us, if each 'Day' is supposedly 24hrs in length....And each day was opened and closed....why is it that 'Day 7' was Opened but NEVER closed?

We are in the seventh 'day' right now.


I think we have a new Guinness world record for the longest 24hr day on record!!!
 
eternally-gratefull said:

No, How did God decieve

He made the earth to be inhabited, Whether it took him billions of years or 7 days, He made the earth to be inhabited..

It would only take alot more power and work to do it in 7 days thats all. No deception at all..

A world created to be inhabited would have to be complete.. Mankind could not survive on an unfinished world..


But your right about one thing, we have a different view of God.

My God is all powerful He can create a world ready to be inhabited in 6 days, I guess your is not capable of doing this.. So I think I will take my God,, whether he did it in 7 days or 7 billion years does not matter.. Can he do it is what does. :(
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according to you God deceived by making a world in 7 days that looked as though it had taken billions of year.

You don't believe he could work in that time scale. So stop kidding yourself

by the way it would actually take more power to do it In billions of ears,
 
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Bowman said:
Please tell us, if each 'Day' is supposedly 24hrs in length....And each day was opened and closed....why is it that 'Day 7' was Opened but NEVER closed?
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Your logic is faulty here. The (alleged) length of the seventh day does not dictate the length of the first six. Just because it was not "closed" in the Genesis account does not mean it was not closed. God may have been implying something else by not 'closing' it, He may not. Either way it is an argument from silence. It is poor hermeneutics to take what is decidedly unclear and apply it to twist what is clear. Better to start with what is clear: In six days He made the heavens and the earth, the seas, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day..." (Exodus 20:11). Any period of time other than regular days (roughly 24 hours) simply doesn't make sense. Every attempt to stretch Genesis 1 into epochs violates Exodus 20:11.
 
Dino246 said:
Your logic is faulty here. The (alleged) length of the seventh day does not dictate the length of the first six. Just because it was not "closed" in the Genesis account does not mean it was not closed. God may have been implying something else by not 'closing' it, He may not. Either way it is an argument from silence. It is poor hermeneutics to take what is decidedly unclear and apply it to twist what is clear. Better to start with what is clear: In six days He made the heavens and the earth, the seas, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day..." (Exodus 20:11). Any period of time other than regular days (roughly 24 hours) simply doesn't make sense. Every attempt to stretch Genesis 1 into epochs violates Exodus 20:11.
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nonsense. it simply means that God's days and man's days are seen to be of a different length
 
valiant said:
nonsense. it simply means that God's days and man's days are seen to be of a different length
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If this were true, then we cannot discern anywhere in Scripture that a day means roughly 24 hours, or the daylight hours, or even an epoch, because it might mean "God's days" which are allegedly different. If days in Genesis are not the same thing as days in Exodus, then the command to keep the Sabbath day is meaningless. I don't see how they could mean different things and maintain the integrity of Scripture.
 
Dino246 said:
Your logic is faulty here. The (alleged) length of the seventh day does not dictate the length of the first six. Just because it was not "closed" in the Genesis account does not mean it was not closed. God may have been implying something else by not 'closing' it, He may not. Either way it is an argument from silence. It is poor hermeneutics to take what is decidedly unclear and apply it to twist what is clear. Better to start with what is clear: In six days He made the heavens and the earth, the seas, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day..." (Exodus 20:11). Any period of time other than regular days (roughly 24 hours) simply doesn't make sense. Every attempt to stretch Genesis 1 into epochs violates Exodus 20:11.
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Then to refer to the previous six yawm-periods as 24hrs/ea is equally without merit...
 
Dan_473 said:
I'm not against reason by any means, nor against giving a reason for the hope that's in me.

a particular kind of reason,
from your post #459
"...the only answer is without satisfactory reason to the agnostic or atheist..."
is something that might not be attainable.


actually, the thing peter wants us to give a reason for is the hope in us.

how about this? "reading the bible, with a plain and literal approach when that seems to be the style of the passage, gives me peace and joy in a troubled world."
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The hope is the Gospel isn't it, which is revealed in the bible.
 
Dan_473 said:
say, Bookends, what's your take on this?

when adam was formed, was he formed with a body ready-to-go when God breathed into it?

if so, is it a big step between that and the sun being made ready to start fusing hydrogen?
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God created Adam, this I know. As for the details I don't know. God could have created Adam as an infant and nursed him till he could care for himself. "We" assume in the lack of details that Adam was made a full complete man from beginning. I certainly don't have a problem with either scenario.

As far as the sun, I think all the elements where created at the beginning and came together-formed over time. The sun isn't a living being depending on complex individual systems that are necessary for life. And I admit, it's an opinion. God could have thrown everything together at once if He wanted to.
 
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Originally Posted by valiant nonsense. it simply means that God's days and man's days are seen to be of a different length
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Dino246 said:
If this were true, then we cannot discern anywhere in Scripture that a day means roughly 24 hours, or the daylight hours, or even an epoch, because it might mean "God's days" which are allegedly different. If days in Genesis are not the same thing as days in Exodus, then the command to keep the Sabbath day is meaningless. I don't see how they could mean different things and maintain the integrity of Scripture.
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As it is true your thinking needs straightening out. God's days are far larger than man's days (a day is with God as a thousand years).If you can't read exodus in that light then I am sorry for you. It isn't meaningless to me, and it isn't needed to retain the integrity of Scripture.

the Hebrews didn't have fixed times as we do because we are scientific,
 
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valiant said:
nonsense. it simply means that God's days and man's days are seen to be of a different length
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So if God told me to meet him in a certain place in one day, I might have to try living a thousand years to make that appointment? Would God be waiting there for my bones to blow in to that meeting?
 
Bowman said:
That's still 12hrs.

Jesus said that a day is 12hrs in length...so, your idea of 24hrs is mute based upon this fact, alone...
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Evening plus morning is more than 12 hours lol. Nighttime plus daytime is one day. It's really not too hard to figure out if you just take the Bible as it is written.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Thats not true.. You can not have it one way in one argument, then another way in the other.

I See God in creation. in 6000 years. Science does not prove it is older. And we do not need to believe it is older to believe in God..

No one back in the time of rome was looking at nature and saying the earth must be billions of years old. They looked at the complexity of nature, that is what should have led them to God.. Not how old it was. which would have meant nothing to them (they had no way of knowing anyway)

People did not start thinking the earth was older until recent history..
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Jesus' miracles on earth where done to prove that He was the Christ and to draw people to Himself, not to demonstrate all of God's holy attributes.

Are you sure what people thought or lack there of about the earths age in Paul's day? Do you have any source(s)? BTW interesting point.
 
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