getting dates about a young earth

[Bowman]

Re: You struck out....

Nay, but what they call YEC actually is the orthodox view and the only view with any tangible evidence.

No.

Though admittedly as with the old earth mythology/new age revisionism, YEC theories also have undergone a modernistic sorta spin off. Lol though I'd be inclined to agree that with each passing day the so-called young creation does get older indeed.

Young earth/young Universe does not fit with either General Revelation, or Special Revelation.

Indeed, and we can see in the old earth mythologies and modern heretical cosmologies heavy Greek/Hellenistic influence. After all their old earth myths such as Big Bang are basically a rehash of this very concept of a perpetual universe. It's not hard to figure out, just look what they like to name their fantasy planets, space mission programs, etc.

Just two weeks ago, Einstein's Relativity was proven completely, with the discovery of black hole gravity waves.

It took 100 years to validate all of Einstein's predictions, making it the most proven principle in all of physics.

Thus....you can rest at ease knowing that the Universe that we live in is billions of years old.

 

[Bowman]

Re: You struck out....

The burden of proof is to prove the sun is a star.

Its not a burden at all.

Both General and Special Revelation come to your rescue...

The original claim is the sun is its own distinct object.

Where?

Man has extensively observed the sun, you can go out and just look up in the day time and see it for yourself. The stars also been observed much throughout time. You can also test and observe this yourself. The stars are innumerable and are apparently much smaller and unique to one another even.

1 Corinthians 15:41

[SUP]41 [/SUP]There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

And Revelation tells us that stars are angels.....and?

Jacked.

The sky or atmosphere or the firmament, the celestial waters, the terrestrial waters, etc. was created on Day 2 lol.

Genesis 1:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So...now you move on to more jacked YEC water-canopy theory...?

 

[Bowman]

Re: You struck out....

Lol no, because even they say so. It's the point in time when their theories become in vogue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_(astrophysics)

Basically this is why they can't date the earth to the theme of this topic. Revisionist sci-fi writers of the 20th century lol.

Your 'anyone with a pulse can edit this wiki' is a broken link....

Lol you asked this originally;


I merely responded how it be, my apologies perhaps I am too quick witted myself sometimes. Lol someone has to rep the orthodox cosmology, but nonetheless there's no point in hating each other over whether the 5,000 some years of the known existence of the creation is old or young. Lol though I am amused by your wit as always. Be well old Bowman, praise Jesus.

You keep giving yourself way too much credit.

Psalm 113

1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise, O ye servants of the Lord, praise the name of the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Blessed be the name of the Lord from this time forth and for evermore.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the Lord's name is to be praised.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who is like unto the Lord our God, who dwelleth on high,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]That he may set him with princes, even with the princes of his people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the Lord.

And....?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Re: You struck out....

No.






Young earth/young Universe does not fit with either General Revelation, or Special Revelation.

There is no special revelation or private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Just two weeks ago, Einstein's Relativity was proven completely, with the discovery of black hole gravity waves.

It took 100 years to validate all of Einstein's predictions, making it the most proven principle in all of physics.

Thus....you can rest at ease knowing that the Universe that we live in is billions of years old.

Actually it was not proven, they showed a fake picture and claim that is somehow proof of Einstein's Relativity fantasy. That's not proof at all. It's the typical modus operandi of old earth mythologists and new age heretics. They show some fabricated images and theoretical models and claim this is somehow proof of their absurd fantasies. It's not proof, it's just more hoaxes.

Proof would be like historical accounts, tangible artifacts, etc. such as the Bible which implies that the whole of creation is only a few thousand years old.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Re: You struck out....

Its not a burden at all.

Both General and Special Revelation come to your rescue...

Lol then you prove right there that the old earth mythology and new age heresies are not biblical but rather rquire some sort of special revelation. Whom does their general and special revelations come from? It's no surprise it's from relatively young atheists, heretics, and pagans.

Where?

See 1 Corinthians 15:41 or Genesis 1.

And Revelation tells us that stars are angels.....and?

Jacked.

Doesn't say that stars are angels, merely that the Seven Stars are the Seven Spirits of the Seven Churches, which are the Seven Lampstands.

So...now you move on to more jacked YEC water-canopy theory...?

I just posted for you what the Bible says. Calls the heavens waters throughout the Bible. So it is quite logical and orthodox.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Re: You struck out....

Your 'anyone with a pulse can edit this wiki' is a broken link....







You keep giving yourself way too much credit.











And....?

Well you or anyone interested I'm sure can find it on Wikipedia or any other source. Wikipedia just nice to give others who haven't looked into these theories so closely a starting point.

And in that Psalm you can see clearly it is the sun which moves, not the earth.

 

[Dan_473]

but [God] doesn't reveal everything to us and often works in mysterious ways.

yes! and would you agree that God might reveal more things to one group of people than another?

 

[Dan_473]

Because Christians used "because the bible says so" in the age of human enlightenment drove more of the same and lead to Christian Liberalism, which lead many Christians to an over pendulum swing called Christian Fundamentalism.

Doesn't Peter state that we should give a reason for our faith (1 Peter 3:15), reason can be the beginning for a spiritual experience. I'm sure I could find many Christians who's testimony involve reason. Are you against Christian apologetics?

I believe in giving my kids and others reasons to believe, it only makes the foundation stronger.

Consider Proverbs 15:28,
28 The heart of the righteous studies how to answer,
But the mouth of the wicked pours forth evil.

I'm not against reason by any means, nor against giving a reason for the hope that's in me.

a particular kind of reason,
from your post #459
"...the only answer is without satisfactory reason to the agnostic or atheist..."
is something that might not be attainable.


actually, the thing peter wants us to give a reason for is the hope in us.

how about this? "reading the bible, with a plain and literal approach when that seems to be the style of the passage, gives me peace and joy in a troubled world."

 

[Dan_473]

God didn't stop sin either, does that make Him responsible for it or approve of it?

God commands the spirit to go and deceive.
but God doesn't command anyone to sin.

 

[Dan_473]

Sure thing, brother.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

2nd Timothy 3:16-17

Here are a few examples:

[SUP]25 [/SUP]He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! [SUP]26 [/SUP]Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” [SUP]27 [/SUP]And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Luke 24:25-27

[SUP]44 [/SUP]He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

Luke 24:44-45

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual

1st Corinthians 2:13

thanks!

and I see this part, "Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures"
meaning that the truth was in some way hidden from them, and that they were only able to understand it with God's help.

 

[Dan_473]

Paul did not say in Romans 1 that we could know God's attributes by the miracles Jesus had done, but that we could know God's attributes by the things He had made. When we observe creation it has the appearance of age, lots of evidence points to an old earth and an older universe. By stating to an unbeliever that they must deny what they see in order to know God goes against what Paul said in Romans 1 and may hinder them from going further. Right off the bat they may see God or more likely Christians as ignorant dogmatists.

You are comparing apples with oranges here.

say, Bookends, what's your take on this?

when adam was formed, was he formed with a body ready-to-go when God breathed into it?

if so, is it a big step between that and the sun being made ready to start fusing hydrogen?

 

[Dan_473]

General Revelation.

is there something

in the scriptures

that indicates that the period of time is billions of years? not millions?

 

[valiant]

say, Bookends, what's your take on this?

when adam was formed, was he formed with a body ready-to-go when God breathed into it?

if so, is it a big step between that and the sun being made ready to start fusing hydrogen?

we talk about what we do not know

 

[Dan_473]

Literal epochs.




This is per the lexical definition of yawm.

Sequential epochs of time, just as told to us in Gen 1.

a common objection to the days being 12 or 24 hours is that the sun doesn't come along until day four.
if the sun is there on or before day 1, then the days could be 12/24 hour or epochs, imo.

can yawm only mean epoch?

 

[valiant]

It seems to me that everyone is saying that God made it look like millions of year, but deceived us as He did it in much less.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul did not say in Romans 1 that we could know God's attributes by the miracles Jesus had done, but that we could know God's attributes by the things He had made. When we observe creation it has the appearance of age, lots of evidence points to an old earth and an older universe. By stating to an unbeliever that they must deny what they see in order to know God goes against what Paul said in Romans 1 and may hinder them from going further. Right off the bat they may see God or more likely Christians as ignorant dogmatists.

You are comparing apples with oranges here.

Thats not true.. You can not have it one way in one argument, then another way in the other.

I See God in creation. in 6000 years. Science does not prove it is older. And we do not need to believe it is older to believe in God..

No one back in the time of rome was looking at nature and saying the earth must be billions of years old. They looked at the complexity of nature, that is what should have led them to God.. Not how old it was. which would have meant nothing to them (they had no way of knowing anyway)

People did not start thinking the earth was older until recent history..

 

[Dan_473]

we talk about what we do not know

right, we don't know adam's body size, "age" when he was formed.

do you have an opinion on this? was adam formed as a newborn baby, maybe about 7 pounds, laying in the dirt?

 

[Dan_473]

It seems to me that everyone is saying that God made it look like millions of year, but deceived us as He did it in much less.

I'm thinking, the truth is veiled from those who won't access God's revelation in the scriptures.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems to me that everyone is saying that God made it look like millions of year, but deceived us as He did it in much less.

Oh, DO you feel deceived? Poor Guy. I see no deception I see him doing what he has to do. no matter what it took.


Why do we need to feel decieved, He made earth to be inhabited.. If it took him millions of years to make an earth able to be inhabited, this tells he can not do all things, maybe he is not all he says he is.. Why did it have to take him billions of years, when he could have made it all at the same time, He has the power to do so..

 

[valiant]

Oh, DO you feel deceived? Poor Guy. I see no deception I see him doing what he has to do. no matter what it took.


Why do we need to feel decieved, He made earth to be inhabited.. If it took him millions of years to make an earth able to be inhabited, this tells he can not do all things, maybe he is not all he says he is.. Why did it have to take him billions of years, when he could have made it all at the same time, He has the power to do so..

Well your view of God is not my view of God. You obviously agree with my statement, which means your view of God is as a Deceiver.