Tithe!

Yet · Feb 23, 2016

Come unto Me all you that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Take My yoke upon you for I am meek and lowly in heart. And you shall find rest unto your souls. (Then go to any church and lose that rest).

For My YOKE is EASY. And My BURDEN is LIGHT. Matt.11:28-30 (The beauty of this precious truth has been destroyed by greedy pastors seeking filthy lucre. Hypocrites!)

If you love Me keep My commandments. John 14:15. (His commands are light. Forcing tithes on grandma and the poor is NOT LIGHT. You hypocrites! You that have a big income. Tithing doesn't squeeze you. So why should you care about poor families? Hypocrites!)

For they (pastors) bind heavy burdens and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders, (not to mention grandma and poor strugging families) but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Matt. 23:4

You say that this is not talking about your adorable pastor. Then quick...tell us...who IS IT talking about??

The tooth fairy? Here's another clue for you all. He was talking about the pastors in the church in Jerusalem. But things have changed since then. It's gotten worse. We have the written word. And most of Christendom is willingly clueless. Precious isn't it?

You bet. Imma rebuking hard. About time somebody did. If you think I'm tough, wait till you stand before Christ. You'll wish you had me back!

'Oh Yet, you're so bitter, so angry'. Jesus went through the church with a whip turning the money tables over screaming, making the point in so many words 'you lying thieves. You have turned My plan into a way to rob My sheep'. I'm sure glad He wasn't angry ....like me...aren't you? Hypocrites.

oyster67 · Feb 23, 2016

Yet said:

It is indeed a dark world, and the modern Church seems to be dark right along with it;

"I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus name.
On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, All other ground is sinking sand."
-Edward Mote

The darkness is vast and deep, but that is where and when one little candle can do the most good. Jesus wants you and I to be two little candles for Him in this cold dark wilderness. Otherwise, He would have already taken us home.

Jesus wanted to come back to a beautiful bride when He returned, I'm sure. But if a couple grumpy old men is all He has to work with, then He can use them

Yet · Feb 23, 2016

I love that song. But the 'SOLID ROCK' has been decimated by the enemy through self interested men for 1800 years now. A twist here, a shading there. We must continue to proclaim the simplicity of the gospel while making the paths straight again. When Christians hunger after the PEARL OF GREAT PRICE, the deceptions will fall to the way side. The stench of organized religion will compel them to seek His glorious face. His secrets will no longer be secrets to them. They shall know the TRUTH and it shall set them at Liberty. Praise His matchless and wonderful Name!

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Feb 23, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Did you even read my post? Your response essentially ignores everything I wrote.

Why are you pushing 10% into the passage about the widow's mites when she gave 100%? Why are you calling it a "tithe box" when it wasn't for tithes?

You don't want to give the God of your salvation ten percent? Abram gave 100% of the spoils(which aren't even wages/salary). The widow gave all she had in her offering. Israelites with agriculture or livestock gave multiple types of tithes, not one...it wasn't just 10%. Where are you coming up with just 10%?? Where have I stated anything about how much I give or have given?

I thank God... Shall we take a survey of thread participants and see who doesn't thank God for their blessings?

Is it still your opinion that these T/F statements are mostly true?

1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

Dino246 · Feb 23, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

The Law is specifically done away with. Romans 13:9. Hebrews 8:7;7:18-19. Colossians 2:14. The clincher, by extension, is Galatians 5:4. Tithing is part of the Law.

Yet · Feb 24, 2016

Robby, you need to set aside what your 'pastor' has been saying and check the word of God concerning tithes.

It can be a rude awaking. The way you are tithing to your 'pastor' can not be found in your bible. Now I'm sure you want to obey God and that's a good thing. However today's tithing doctrine is a man made contrivance.
People who are tithing today are breaking God's law for they are not doing it according to that law, nor can Abe's tithe be a second choice of 'how to.' Their still doing it wrong.

Not only that but placing yourself under any law places you under a curse. See: Galatians 3:10 and 5:4.
ch.3 vs.3. Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh. Look those verses up. Read the whole book of Galatians and you'll learn that men of no account have always tried to bring the body of Christ under the control of the ceremonial laws even unto this day.

This is a tradition of man that 'makes the word of God of none effect.' Mark 7:13

Yet · Feb 24, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Robby, search the NT on this. There is no special upper class exalted paid man of God. These things exist because men 'love the preeminence' like Dyotrephes did in 3John. Look it up.

The modern tithe pulling exalted, one man show, that plays golf all week, rattles off a boring 40 minute sermon on Sunday morning for a full sized paycheck is unfounded in the NT.
See: Acts 20 and 1Peter 5 and you'll see some scriptures you never heard taught on and for good reason.
There were a plurality of pastors in a given assembly and they were all commanded to work secular jobs.

Someone has told me that I ere in my thinking, that that doesn't really mean what it says. Verses 33-35. God was just kidding or something. But I don't hold to that. I'm throwing in with God.

Robby you need to go back and read all my posts and check the word of God I provided.

And about someone cleaning pipes and the septic tank.

News flash: Did you know that the guy that wrote most of the NT letters worked a job making tents? How in the world did he ever do it?

See who really does all the ministering in the assembly, and not for filthy lucre. 1 Cor. 12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12.
Its the people, the folks, all the members of the body of Christ in an open participatory meeting. There was no single, titled, exalted 'pastor' as we know it today. Elders/pastors, plural training all the members for the work of the ministry then actually, unheard of today, cutting them loose to operate their spiritual functions, ministering one unto another decently and in order in the appointed gathering.
Thats right. No single pastor. No sermon. No preaching. No tithes. My, my. How did they ever survive without a pastor and tithes?
They turned their world upside down for Christ, thousands being added to the ecclesia, without a Reverend Wonderful and tithes.

The real question that we need to ask ourselves is this. How are we surviving today with all the tithe pulling pastors and all the folks bound and mouths duct taped in the pew staring at the back of someone's head and the football game is about the only fellowship after the service?

Answer: we are not surviving. The church is deader than dirt and the world around us has lost its collective mind.

Yet · Feb 24, 2016

Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheeps clothing(suit and tie) but inside they are ravening wolves. Matt.7:15
Ravening: harpax: swindling, robbing, extortion.

Swindle: use deception to deprive someone of their money, using lies or tricks.
Its called wresting/twisting the word of God for fun and profit. In a word, Lies!

Extortion: obtaining money by threats. (They accuse folks of robbing God by falsely applying Mal.3. Threatening a curse on people for not complying to the deception. That's extortion.

Now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith(once delivered unto the saints) giving heed to seducing (Gr: planos: to wander off of the path, not found in NT) spirits and doctrines (Gr: didaskalos: teachings) of Devils. Speaking LIES in hypocrisy (Gr: hypokrisis: implying arrogance and hardness of heart) having their conscience seared with a hot iron. 1Tim. 4.

Hypocrisy, hardness of heart. And the enablers are not guiltless. Sitting in the pew and have no problem whatsoever that the poor family behind you and widow Jones next to you are being threatened by a lie and extortion by a ravening wolf, Reverend Wonderful, to cough up ten percent of their meager incomes.

Your NT calls that hypocrisy, wolves, hirelings 'that care not for the poor of the sheep'. John 10:13.
In these verses, financial hardship can most definitely be labeled a 'wolf'. Sickness is a 'wolf'. Under the law, under a curse, down under with sickness.
Does the hireling really care? If he did he'd be searching the scriptures up and down all day long to find out why a lot of folks are in a bad way in spite of their 'faithful tithing', for years, for decades, for a lifetime. Shut operations down, get alone with God and bomb bard heaven by fasting and praying to find out 'WHY'! Is the hireling afraid God might answer him with the truth of all his fraudulent doctrines?

I mean why risk losing out on easy street? Not in a million years. Hypocrite!
Instead, he plans and schemes more programs together in order to gain more members. A good rock band for praise and worship. That will bring the crowds in. Nothing but the top notch professionals need apply.
Maybe pattern after Rod Parsleys circus antics. Folks want to be entertained. Bring on the coffee and donuts.

There is no Holy Spirit around any more so they gotta draw the crowds in some way. Bigger, flashier, bells and whistles extravaganza.

More members, more tithes. More wool. More mutton. More easy street. Let the good times roll.And all the pastors in all the churches march in lockstep on these things. Wolves run in packs...don't they?

StandingFirmInChrist · Feb 24, 2016

Extortion in the Church
by Ronald W Robey

Extortion: The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.

Spanning from 1959 to 1963, Robert Stack starred as Federal Agent Eliot Ness in the TV series “The Untouchables”.

Eliot Ness worked hard at cleaning up the streets of Chicago, Illinois after the city was infiltrated by many crime bosses who would extort money from store owners using strongarm tactics, threats, and often gunplay and murder.

Extortion was a serious offense and carried a stiff sentence in the Federal Penitentiary if one was convicted of it. Eliot Ness did not go easy on those who tried to extort money from the citizens of Chicago using scare tactics.

Today, we can glean from the many episodes of “The Untouchables” an important spiritual truth. That truth is, just as crime bosses answered to Eliot Ness for their misdeeds, those who offend God’s children will also one day answer to God.

Many a pastor today stands behind a pulpit and preaches a message that is meant to extort money from their congregation through a sermon that is “under color of official right”

That message is taken from Malachi 3:8-10…. “Will A Man Rob God?”

Many a pastor has his congregation open their Bibles to Malachi 3:8-10 and read the passage that chapter 2 reveals was to the Priest’s of Israel. They then try to bring the letter to Israel out of Israel and into their city or town in their own country.

They preach to their congregation that they are “robbing God” because they are not bringing the tithe of their income to the house of God.

The pastor continues to inform his congregation that if they do not begin to tithe their money, God will attack their finances, their home, their families, their health, their jobs, their vehicles; the list goes on and on.

Friends, that message they are presenting fits the legal system’s definition of extortion. They are trying to instill fear into your mind, fear of disaster, if you don’t get protection.

They then tell you how to get protection… pay 10% of your income to God! Friends, that is extortion through and through. God is portrayed as the crime Boss, and the pastors are acting as His duly elected henchmen.

They preach the message of a 10% tithe “under color of official right,” but if one studies out the specifics of God’s Holy tithe, one will discover that they have no “official right” to collect a monetary tithe from their congregation.

God’s holy tithe was limited to within the boundaries of national Israel and was to be given to the Levites who were living in 48 cities scattered throughout Israel. It was never authorized for the New Testament Church.

God’s tithe was also never money according to Leviticus 27:30-33 and other Biblical passages,… it was agricultural.

Shame on those pastors who are guilty of extorting money from their flocks! They one day will answer to God for handling His Word deceitfully and oppressing His people with fear tactics under the guise of “official right.”

Friends, God’s Holy Word tells us in 2 Corinthians 9:7 that we are to give as we purpose in our own hearts to give. A tithe does not allow one to purpose what they will give. A tithe is a set amount…10%,… Predetermined by a second party. How is one purposing in one’s own heart what to give if he is giving 10% because his pastor tells him that is what he is required to give? The fact is, giving what your pastor determines is nothing more than giving of compulsion… giving because you have to.

Notice 2 Corinthians 9:7…

2 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The word “purposeth” is translated from the Greek word “proaireomai”, and it means “to choose for oneself”. A pastor has no “official right” to tell his congregation to give 10% of their money to his organization. God’s Word tells the congregation to “choose for oneself” what one wants to give. God did not tell that pastor to preach to his congregation that they must tithe their money. Nor did he tell that pastor that the congregation would be cursed if they didn’t tithe their money. God is not the crime Boss that the deceitful pastor is making Him out to be.

Friends, give at your place of meeting. They do need money to pay for electricity, sanitation, etc.. But give what you choose for yourself to give, not what someone else dictates that you must give. If you are giving a set amount because you have been told by your pastor to give that amount, then you are not giving according to God’s will.

Word_Swordsman · Feb 24, 2016

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

I'll leave this thread with that. I understand why many who call themselves "Christian" reject Paul the apostle. Paul revealed much of the mind of Christ, which exceeded the Law requirements.

It's quite obvious that anyone rejecting half of the New Testament supplied by Paul would be blind to that verse above. In addition, those that believe the Church has been mortally corrupted with corruption (by Satan or man) would easily reject NT scriptures that affect their wallets.

Anyone claiming to be a Christian, while believing the modern Church is corrupted because some require tithing, some asking for tithes, and teaching that any command of God of old or new is evil, is to be rejected as a false teacher.

However, any modern church congregation acting upon what they are convinced by the Holy Spirit and the written word of God as being how they should carry out 1 Cor 9:13-14, is, by God, considered doing something still holy before him, and forever subject to his blessings as recorded of him. Anyone attending with such a congregation is free to join with some other Christian congregation that believes in some alternate manner of support of their ministers.

Beware the voice of Satan who would seek to shut down a congregation in shame, for lack of support of those who preach the gospel of Christ. How God provided for the priesthood of the old covenant is to be considered the equal manner of supporting gospel ministers today. It is not a grievous task. It is not a burden. It seems a burden among the poor who are excused from paying their share of taxes to the government that protects them. Let the poor serve carnal men over them, while the righteous enjoy serving the LORD over them, and not hindered by supporting the carnal men as required by laws of men.

I am done with this thread, said enough.

StandingFirmInChrist · Feb 24, 2016

The only one guilty of "rejecting Paul" in this thread is the one pulling 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 out of its context in a feeble attempt tp prove pastors are to take tithes of Church members.

when read in context, it is clear that Paul was speaking of support, not from stationary local pastors, but from traveling ministers of thr Gospel.

Further, all other verses in the Bible where the preaching of the Gospel is seen, (posted earlier in this thread) it is by people who are travelling around, not pinned down to one location. It is Highly improbable that while every other instance of preaching of the Gospel was done by travelers, yet the single instance in 1 Corinthians 9 could be speaking of stationary ministers pinned down to a central location.

Therefore, Paul could not have been speaking of stationary pastors in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14.

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Feb 24, 2016

Word_Swordsman said:

I understand why many who call themselves "Christian" reject Paul the apostle. That explains why we quote him so often! 2 Cor 9:7 in particular, for me!

Paul revealed much of the mind of Christ, which exceeded the Law requirements. The law required multiple types of tithes. It wasn't 10%. Well over that. That's actually less than what Abram gave(on war spoils) before the law was in place...which was 100%(all). What's with the 10% gibberish when Abram far exceeded it and when the law was well over 10%?

Anyone attending with such a congregation is free to join with some other Christian congregation that believes in some alternate manner of support of their ministers. Thanks for the permission.

Anyone claiming to be a Christian, while believing the modern Church is corrupted because some require tithing, some asking for tithes, and teaching that any command of God of old or new is evil, is to be rejected as a false teacher. I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I believe Jesus died on a cross, descended into hell, and was resurrected and ascended into heaven. I believe Jesus Christ will come again and that there will be a final judgement. I believe humans are sinful and that, by surrendering one's life to Jesus Christ, one can be transformed/spiritually renewed/born-again/justified. I believe the Christian O.T. and N.T. are inspired and the essential tool for living a holy life; a life pleasing to God. I believe in free-will offerings and sacrificial giving, but reject that a tithe(10%) is the starting point for giving.

Signed: False teacher / fake believer / fake Christian

Yet · Feb 24, 2016

Anyone one who believes in the one exalted paid pastor that threatens with the tithe has been hoodwinked by lying wolves that the scriptures warn about. They make gain of you. They care not that tithing hurts the poor. They, by the enforced tithe, rob widows houses.
1cor. 9 is speaking about the apostles. The pastors are to work jobs.Acts 20

Scripture interprets scripture. If there are a plurality of elders/pastors that work jobs to support the poor and scripture backs it, where are the scriptures to back just the opposite, the single self exalted pastor that doesn't work a job but threatens the folks with tithing? There are none. ZERO, ZIP, NADA!
Any man that teaches tithing is a liar and is only trying to maintain the extortion racket that he may well be part of. He's got a stake in it.
Wolves will go to great lengths to catch and then keep their prey.

Swordsman says the assembly may have to shut down if the lie of the tithe isn't maintained. Hallelujah, shut the den of thieves down. What r u waiting for. It's out of God's divine order, shut it down. If you need help, I'll come visit, the pastor will throw me out, and thats with me not saying a word, and God will bring it to a timely demise. That's been my ministry. See: 'which pastor' for a peek at my calling.

These false shepherds lie, beg, and coerce and threaten the folks to cough up the tithe. Then they tell the folks 'HAVE FAITH' that God will take care of you after you give up your grocery money.
My question is where is the 'pastors' stellar, unshakable, abounding faith that God will provide for the 'church', so called, if indeed they are doing God's will. They are scared to death of losing out on the free extortion money.

They dare not tell the folks the truth that tithing is not NT. They fear they'ed lose their cushy 40 minutes a week job. They sense that God won't provide for their charade and it scares them witless.

Exit the dens of thieves and start a home fellowship as they did in the first century. They took care of grandma and the poor families. Oh the beauty of Christ's plan for his ecclesia. It's not in that building you go to. That IS NOT what He had in mind!!

I bet swordsman cant answer this one: in the OT, part of the tithe took care of the widows and poor.
Today the churches demand a tithe out of grandma and the poor. Why? Where did it change? Hypocrites in abundance.

I have said that I would come and teach His word on these issues for absolutely free of charge anywhere in the country and even give our free movie to you as well. I don't want your money. I want you set free. Free in Christ to abound in this life spiritually as He planned. The thieves(false shepherds) have come to steal, kill, and destroy the body of Christ. My job is to shine the light of the gospel of God on the wolves and watch them run.
No one has taken us up on our offer yet. The only way that door could open is if the titled exalted one over your life died or retired. Then you could ask me to come minister the liberating, sure word of God.

God opens the door that no man can shut. I know that. He continues to remind me that most believers are not ready YET. Most will not ever be ready to hear the full council of God. To lazy! Sound asleep. It's the poor that Jesus come preaching to the first time. It's the poor now that He's coming to rescue from the mouths of wolves.

God gave us a prophesy in '77....in Texas, ' The church isn't ready for you YET'. Then in Omaha, 'the churches you been in so far wished you never walked through their doors'!

The reason for this situation is that when we got saved we surrendered all. Who dares surrender all anymore? 'Not many wise, not many mighty, not many noble are called 1Cor. 1:26

So the prophesy said 'they're not ready YET'. That clearly means the day will come when many, not all, will finally be sick of being robbed of both their finances and their spiritual life and privileges.
Paying ten percent to sit in a pew with your mouth duct taped staring at the back of someone's head is not what 1Cor. 12, Ephesians4, and Romans 12 is telling us.
Men like swordsman won't talk about those chapters. You need to ask why, though they'll only twist the word and make something else out of it. Turn the word on its head if it doesn't support their merchandising prospects. There is bucks to be had and they'll stop at nothing to keep the cash flowing...in their direction, not yours.

Like I was told this week about a couple of clear verses that 'well it doesn't really mean that'. The verses didn't support their doctrine but rather shot it down. Of course they're gonna say 'it doesn't really mean that'. What else can they say?
If they admit to its clear teaching they'ed have to drop all their cherished religious beliefs that finance their self interested kingdoms! Not gonna happen for most. Not in a million years.
But some precious saints are already beginning to see that 'the emperor has no clothes'. God is rescuing many out of the mouths of these wolves. And the ones who are sound asleep? Sleep on, 'a little folding of the hands, a little slumber. (A comfortable pew) Your spiritual poverty is upon you.'Proverbs 6:10
Praise His matchless Name.

Yet · Feb 24, 2016

2Cor.10:5. (A few of us have been) Casting down imaginations(logismos: arguments and reasoning against the word of God/Truth) and every high thing (hypsoma: height (arrogance), pretension: an assertion though false) that EXALTS ITSELF (clerical hierarchy) against the knowledge (His word) of God.

There's a lot of arrogant pretentious arguments bucking up against the word of God on this site. The apostasy is in full swing.,we are living in the 'last hour'.....and now there are many antichrists (pastors that have taken the preeminence for 1700 years now. See 3John, Diotrephes) ...1John 2:18

Yet · Feb 25, 2016

Jeremiah gets it. Then the Lord said unto me, 'the prophets prophesy in My Name (Jesus). I didn't send them( they exalted themselves into upper chamber positions) neither have I commanded them, neither did I speak unto them, they prophesy unto you a FALSE vision(hazon: message from God) and divination(esem: witchcraft: and a thing of nought, and the deceit (lies)of their heart. Jeremiah 14:14

Divination:witchcraft: to manipulate, to put a curse on someone, to worship nature or the 'creature rather than the Creator.

Twisting scriptures to manipulate the listeners to certain action. Worshipping nature, the creature, what money can get them.

Placing a curse inadvertently on people by forcing them under 'the LAW' man made (tradition of men) or God's old covenant law, fulfilling Galatians 3:10

Galatians 5:1 .....be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage(slavery to a false hierarchy and the law such as tithing)

vs.4 Christ is become of NONE EFFECT unto you whoever of you who are trying to be justified by the law of tithing, you have FALLEN FROM GRACE. (Expounded).
You cannot purchase God's favor or blessings with cash, filthy lucre. Otherwise only the rich could afford them. Grow a clue. He came to the poor to set them at Liberty, out from under the devilish confines and chains put upon them by the pastors in Jerusalem.
He already paid for those blessings. They're free. By faith, walk in them! No longer allow the wolves to rob you of your inheritance.

Hebrews 10:26 if we sin willfully after we received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.
If we willingly sin by going for a different gospel, a different Jesus, a different spirit, a different teaching, a different doctrine, if any man comes with any other doctrine..RUN! For if you do not, a curse will be on you ......again, Gal. 3:10

Touching the unclean thing is believing a false gospel, that an apostate organized church propagates in order to 'make merchandise of you' building up their own arrogant kingdoms leaving you far short of what God had intended for your life and family. I know personally of this.

Like John Lennon said in one song ' Children don't you do what I have done'. And thats fall for all the lies of churchianity.

Praise be be unto God for opening my eyes!

fredoheaven · Feb 25, 2016

Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

Hi,
This is the way I see it.

A reference to the Book of Malachi in connection with what Apostle Paul statement as the “…laying by him in store …” is not contrary but rather making an impression for the “storehouse” giving in the OT by the people of God. If it’s not, then Apostle Paul would have used other words such as “save”, “keep”, “set aside” or “put aside” however, by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, these were not used in such a way they can bring damage to the connection with Prophet Malachi’s teaching of tithes and of Apostle Paul.

The tithe is 10% and more than the tithe is the Offering. As used by Malachi, it was in reference to the Heave Offering. Heave Offering is computed as the “tenth part of the tithe” thus 10% x 10% is 1%. The Law demands that the 1% (heave offering) be given. A quick question, is Offering not a giving? I believe both the OT and the NT refers to it as Giving. If it is giving, therefore, the base must be the tithe. The Bible says the “tithes and offerings” and not the “the tithes plus offerings”. In 2 Corinthians 8:5, the basis for the stewardship and hence Christian Giving was discovered by the exemplary of the Macedonia. They first gave themselves to God so that everything else is an easy task, in other words, the Macedonian believers will never have even the difficulty with the tithes and offerings.

Further, the NT giving is characterized by freedom (2 Corinthians 9:6-7) and responsible planning (1 Corinthians 16:2). But freedom does not negate the validity of the tithe since tithing is the natural and basic expression of stewardship. Jesus demands more than the precise compliance with the tithe but He sanctions at least the practice of tithing. Though stewardship may include more than the tithe, it is never less than the tithe.

God bless…

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Feb 25, 2016

fredoheaven said:

Fredoheaven...you could become the first pro-tither to actually answer all 8 T/F statements.

That'd be cool.

Heck, regardless of your answers, I might even give you a "like" if you can pull off the feat.

T/F statements for tithers to investigate:
1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

fredoheaven · Feb 25, 2016

Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

Fredoheaven...you could become the first pro-tither to actually answer all 8 T/F statements.

That'd be cool.

Heck, regardless of your answers, I might even give you a "like" if you can pull off the feat.

T/F statements for tithers to investigate:
1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

Hi,

What about telling us first of what you know of those things. I'll try to study it first. BTW, I am not only a pro-tither only but also a pro-giver...

Thanks God bless...

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Feb 25, 2016

fredoheaven said:

I'll try to study it first. Good approach. Take your time. You may find a Bible concordance and a good Bible dictionary to be very helpful...if you want to save time.

BTW, I am not only a pro-tither only but also a pro-giver... I am definitely a pro-giver. That I don't support tithing does not mean I oppose giving. While I don't support a certain %, I do believe there are plenty of people can offer a lot - and at times all - of their current financial resources.

What about telling us first of what you know of those things. I created the list, Fredoheaven. I made it based on continued discussions/debates on the topic. A person's answers are very revealing about his/her overall knowledge about tithing in the Bible. I'd rather you investigate and learn without my influence. Comparing our answers may turn out to be very fascinating.

StandingFirmInChrist · Feb 25, 2016

Why I am not guilty of “robbing God” when I don’t tithe…

1. God said His holy tithes were for the children of Israel. (Lev. 27:34) I am not an Israelite.
2. God said His holy tithes were agricultural, not monetary (Lev. 27:30-33) I do not grow crops, nor do I breed livestock.
3. God said His holy tithes were to be given to widows, orphans, Levites and foreigners living in the land of Israel/Canaan (Deut. 14:22-29) I am not in the land of Israel, so it is impossible to give my tithes to those who are the only ones God said His tithes were to go to.
4. Tithing is to be observed only once one crosses the Jordan and enters Canaan. (Deut. 6:1-3; 12:10-11) I have never crossed the Jordan River, nor have I entered Canaan.
5. God’s tithe was an ordinance. (Mal. 3:7)
6. The ordinances God gave to Israel, He gave to no other nation. (Psalm 147:19-20)
7. Judaizer’s in AD 51 demanded that Gentiles be made to observe Israel’s ordinances of the Mosaic Law. (Acts 15:5) The Apostle Peter told them they were tempting God by demanding such. (Acts 15:10) The Apostle James said they were subverting the souls of Gentile Believers with their demands. (Acts 15:24) The Apostles and the Holy Ghost determined and decreed that the Gentiles were not to be required to keep the ordinances of the Mosaic Law. (Acts 15:28-29)
8. The Apostles sent a letter to the Gentile Believers telling them they were not bound by the ordinances of the Mosaic Law, but that they had to observe four “necesary things”. Tithing was not one of those “necesary things”. (Acts 15:28-29)
9. In AD 59, the Apostle James reminded the Apostle Paul that the Gentile Believers were free from the Mosaic Law. (Acts 21:23-25)
10. In the last place in the Bible that tithes are commanded, the commanded tithes are still “according to the Law”; i.e., agricultural, and for the children of Israel. (Hebrews 7:5-8)
11. The tithe still belongs to the Levites, not to pastors living on Gentile soil. (Hebrews 7:5-8)
12. Remarkably absent from the pages of the Word of God is any command or instruction for members of the New Testament Church to tithe their money to their local Church.

Jesus said of the Pharisees, “In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” God never commanded a tithe of money in His Holy Word. It is a doctrine of man-made construct.

In the Bible,

a. tithes were never commanded for the New Testament Church,
b. tithes were never carried to the New Testament Church,
c. tithes were never collected in the New Testament Church,
d. tithes were never controlled by the New Testament Church.

In light of the Scriptural facts, I can say without doubt that I am not “robbing God” if I fail to tithe my money to a corporation doing business as a Church. In light of the fact that God never told pastors to teach their congregations that He requires tithes of money, I can say without reserve that pastors are robbing their congregations of money through their handling deceitfully the Word of God.

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